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Karl Rove: My new group isnít out to get the tea party, I swear
Hot Air ^ | 2-6-2013 | Allahpundit

Posted on 02/06/2013 9:03:14 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

From last night’s “Hannity,” here’s the man himself responding to that NYT piece that set conservative media (and grassroots fundraisers) on fire. He’s eager to note how many tea-party candidates he’s supported in the past, both through American Crossroads and his own checkbook, but there’s still no answer to the key question: ......

But then, we’re assuming that Rove’s main goal, and American Crossroads’s goal more broadly, is to boost establishment candidates. Is it? ....

Some donors will walk away, but not all. And by backing the most “electable” candidate in every primary, CPV now has a prefab defense to future losses: They can’t be accused of mismanaging their contributors’ money because they’re betting on the horse with the best odds of winning in each race. It’s like a hedge fund switching to a more risk-averse investment strategy after major losses, even though a lot of Republicans who went bust last year were establishment favorites who weren’t so risky on paper. “Electability” is really just Crossroads’s way of reassuring its funders that next time will be different — with the punchline being that they’ll likely be pressured into backing a few tea-party longshots anyway, just to keep grassroots conservatives from making the CPV endorsement a badge of contempt in the movement that candidates grow reluctant to embrace.

Exit question: Isn’t all of this just a variation on the old debate of whether it’s better to back strong conservatives in every race and risk ending up with a very principled congressional minority or better to support RINOs strategically in some states where conservatives are less likely to win and maybe achieve a squishier majority?

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Give me a reason to 'trust' Rove.
1 posted on 02/06/2013 9:03:21 AM PST by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

The “Barf-itect” is a POS.


2 posted on 02/06/2013 9:06:22 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Sir Napsalot

Rove, you lie.


3 posted on 02/06/2013 9:07:45 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

And if you read Rove’s piece, that was not what he wrote.

To me, he made it clear it is an open warfare against the Tea Party (even thought it is not a political party) candidates.

Because we are rubes, not fit to lead, and should trust our betters.


4 posted on 02/06/2013 9:09:24 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

a blossom on a turd doesn’t make it stink any less


5 posted on 02/06/2013 9:10:42 AM PST by bigbob
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To: laweeks

I’ll admit I liked Rove(r) when he got W elected.. again...and thought he was a magnificent bastard...but since then he’s been SUCH a disappointment.


6 posted on 02/06/2013 9:10:48 AM PST by jag.drafting
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To: Sir Napsalot
FU Karl!!

Maybe Hannity will cut you some slack but I never will you lying bastard.

7 posted on 02/06/2013 9:12:12 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Sir Napsalot
Karl, I don't care what your ideology is.

You're a loser.

Even if you were a rock-ribbed conservative, you'd be a rock-ribbed conservative who is a loser.

For that reason I have no interest in what you have to say about winning elections.

Because loser.

8 posted on 02/06/2013 9:40:53 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: jag.drafting

Sorry you ever fell for it Jag...you should have been reading, well, ME:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/the_architect_has_no_clothes.html


9 posted on 02/06/2013 9:45:43 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Sir Napsalot

What happened to all the “Rove you magnificent bastard” posts all over FR?

To many on the far right there exist only two peoplein the whole country worthy of consideration for anything.

Palin/West


10 posted on 02/06/2013 9:59:31 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
There is no reason to trust Rove. He is slime from the git-go.

Such arrogance that the Almighty Rove will select the most electable.

How much money did Rove's group pocket in 2012?

.

Sure was not based on any meaningful performance goals.

11 posted on 02/06/2013 10:06:11 AM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Have no fear. Palin will clean Rove’s plow every time she chooses to go head-to-head with him or his pack.


12 posted on 02/06/2013 10:28:10 AM PST by Saltmeat
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To: Sir Napsalot

Have no fear. Palin will clean Rove’s plow every time she chooses to go head-to-head with him or his Pac.


13 posted on 02/06/2013 10:28:40 AM PST by Saltmeat
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To: Sir Napsalot

Rove... you hate TEA PARTY CANDIDATES, so get lost!!!


14 posted on 02/06/2013 10:29:29 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (More Republicans stayed home then the margin of victory of O's Win...)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Shut up Karl.


15 posted on 02/06/2013 10:31:15 AM PST by DManA (0 ye)
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To: Saltmeat
But is Sarah planning anything?

I hope she has spent the last few years learning the role so she can clean house once she gets in

Ignore the media, don't even bother to have a “white house press room”, and just cut spending across the board 10%.

Then chop any agency that is duplicating services or not actually producing any results (like the department of energy, that has not produced one bit of energy- ever)

I will not only vote for her, I will actively campaign door-to-door with my 3 children nigthtly until November

16 posted on 02/06/2013 10:32:02 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Rove's loyalty is to keeping his status since he was exposed to be not that good.

Exit question: Isn’t all of this just a variation on the old debate of whether it’s better to back strong conservatives in every race and risk ending up with a very principled congressional minority or better to support RINOs strategically in some states where conservatives are less likely to win and maybe achieve a squishier majority?

Ideology is only one factor in winning or losing races. The most electable candidate is somethings the more conservative candidate. Sometimes it isn't. Is the candidate competent? Is he a loose cannon. Does he have a good campaign work ethic. Is the campaign organized?

17 posted on 02/06/2013 10:34:13 AM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Mr. K
I will not only vote for her
imho; I'd say, She's collecting (political) IOU's...
amassing a war-chest of 'em...that said, I'll help.

18 posted on 02/06/2013 10:38:23 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Too late Fatboy. You started this war long ago. We’ll finish it.


19 posted on 02/06/2013 10:39:09 AM PST by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: Darren McCarty

He’s only a toe or two better than Dick Morris in my book


20 posted on 02/06/2013 10:39:38 AM PST by orlop9
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To: Sir Napsalot

So, tell us, Mr, Rove. Exactly when were you lying? When you said that you wanted to prevent he tea party from pushing their candidates ahead of yours, or now? We are not stupid. Not only did we, the people, understand what you meant, but every conservative think tank got the same message. We don’t trust you. PERIOD!


21 posted on 02/06/2013 10:42:28 AM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Blackirish
What happened to all the “Rove you magnificent bastard” posts all over FR?

I dont know. What happened to all the colonists who thought Benedict Arnold was a swell general?

Karl has been attacking and undermining CONSERVATIVES, not liberals, not RINO squishes, CONSERVATIVES. He is firmly in the enemy camp. And he's a proven loser.

22 posted on 02/06/2013 10:45:17 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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Still doing boys Mr. Fat Ass
23 posted on 02/06/2013 10:53:02 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Karl, surely you know what that brown, sticky, smelly stuff on the bottom of your boots is, right Sparky?


24 posted on 02/06/2013 11:12:55 AM PST by poobear (Socialism in the minds of the elites. is a con-game for the serfs, nothing more.)
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To: Sir Napsalot; kristinn; Jim Robinson; onyx; SunkenCiv; Da Coyote; Fred911; ZX12R; ...

The RINO-Way has failed to deliver.

It is sunset time for the RINOs, and as RINOs like Rove have shown, they will still snort and bellow long after sunset.

Just as Big Government is not part of the solution, but IS the problem, so too are the goals of the RINOs for those of us who want Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The present sorry state of RINO Leaders such as the Esteemed Sobber of The House John “Doormat” Boehner is encapsulated in the Congressional RINO Mantra: “ We have to find a Bipartisan Compromise that will pass both Houses, and that Obama will sign.”

This Congressional RINO Mantra is directly taken from The Buckley Rule which states: “Support the most Conservative Candidate that can win.”

IOW, the assumption of what is good or bad is not a factor for the Country or the GOP. The assumption is that one can discern what will be accepted by others is something that can be known before it is tried.

Thus, Obama or Reid can immobilize the RINO dominated US House of Representatives by just saying “NO” at a press conference to any idea that a RINO might propose.

The result is that only 3 people are needed to manage the US Federal Government: Senate, House and White House Leaders. Currently that is Reid, Boehner and Jarrett, respectively.

Hence, the RINOs have insured that the US Federal Government will not be good for America.

The RINOs have made it very easy for the Democrats to grind America to a halt.

By rejecting the RINOs’ Buckley Rule, the GOP will open the Party to Candidates that are good for the Party.

By rejecting the Congressional RINO Mantra, the US Congress will be open to political action that will override the current 3 leader ‘stall, delay and deny’ political nightmare.

It is pointless to blame the Communists and Socialists in the US Federal Government, because they are just doing what Communists and Socialists do best: regulate, Control and DESTROY!

Between now and the National Election in 2014, the only obstacle that needs to be overcome is the RINO control of the Republican Party.

GAME ON RINO Rove, GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Proudly fly your Gadsden flag, and attend TO TAKE OVER your local RINO Doormat Party Meetings!

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Ponder this:

IMHO , the worst “Goal” assumption is contained in the “Buckley Rule:” Support the most Conservative Candidate WHO CAN WIN.

The Gop-Elite IN the Party chose Dole, McCain and Romney. All lost, and all were not clear about what it was that they were trying to CONSERVE.

If one is going to play Basketball, then there had better be a lot of air in the ball, AND NO LIBERAL PATCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The enlarged letters are for effect: People IN the Party are usually wrong about how people OUTSIDE the Party will vote.

Dole, McCain and Romney were supported by the powers that be in the GOP BECAUSE THEY COULD WIN!

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The second point is the “Me Too” mentality of the GOP Elites who want to compete for the Democrats pool of Big Government voters.

Hence, the GOP has moved so far to the left, that the bulk of the GOP is far to the left of JFK Democrats of 50 + years ago.

Without clear distinctions, the GOP will continue to be the fat kid “Big Tent” wanna-be Democrat that nobody will play with in the Schoolyard playground called The US Federal Government.
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The last point is the “Inertia of Stupidity.”

Ignorance is when one has not learned something.

Stupidity is when one is mentally unable to learn something.

The GOP Elite try to lose big every 4 years - - - maybe they have learned that losing is a lot easier than winning?

If so, then WE are stupid for not learning that the Sun has already set on the RINO GOP Elite, the Buckley Rule and the RINO Congressional Mantra.


25 posted on 02/06/2013 11:56:54 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Sir Napsalot

Yeah, sure, Karl. Whatever.


26 posted on 02/06/2013 12:10:36 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Blackirish
What happened to all the “Rove you magnificent bastard” posts all over FR?

They were all piled up and burned the night he attacked Sarah Palin.

27 posted on 02/06/2013 12:13:06 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: poobear

In the ancient files of FR are a couple of threads on the nickname of Karl “Turd Blossom” Rove. Enjoy.


28 posted on 02/06/2013 12:21:19 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Blackirish; Graewoulf; Sir Napsalot
What happened to all the “Rove you magnificent bastard” posts all over FR?

Uh, there's been a rewrite....

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29 posted on 02/06/2013 12:42:39 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: FReepers; Graewoulf; Jim Robinson; vox_freedom; penelopesire; RedMDer; DJ MacWoW; KC_Lion; ...

This one's for Jim!

Rove hates the TEA Party and Conservatives, which is why he's employed at Fox News. Rove is the epitome of squishy, big tent, moderate R.

Take Sarah Palin for example. Rove never had any use for her. Never had any kind words for her. Why not? She was the most popular and beloved and yet he viewed her in the same frame as the lamestream. Never stood up for her. Never came to her rescue.

Well, he never came to President Bush's rescue either. The great architect with the white board stands for nothing. Not God, not our Constitution, nothing. He doesn't win elections either. Not since Bush's in 2004.

AND, because he didn't stick up for Bush, Rove is highly responsible for the GOP losing the House in '06, so let's put Rove in his proper place: MENDACIOUS LOSER.

Fight Rove! GO TEA PARTY! GO FREE REPUBLIC!

30 posted on 02/06/2013 12:44:37 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

What Karl “Turd Blossom” Rove has NEVER understood is that when THE SILENT MAJORITY found its voice, they called themselves the TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY Party.


31 posted on 02/06/2013 12:57:59 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

Precisely!


32 posted on 02/06/2013 1:03:55 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Blackirish
I wrote off Karl Rove when he said that it was his fault that Bush never answered any accusations against him. Rove told him NOT to explain. Look what that did to the GOP.

Then he started bashing Conservatives. I'm a Conservative, NOT a Republican. Under Rove, Conservatives have no place in the elephant party.

33 posted on 02/06/2013 1:04:54 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Sir Napsalot

He’s not called “Tokyo Rove” for nothing.


34 posted on 02/06/2013 1:12:01 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Is this rove thing a moozlum, practicing taquia (sp?)which allows him to liue as he sees fit? rove...be gone!


35 posted on 02/06/2013 1:12:50 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Is this rove thing a moozlum, practicing taquia (sp?)which allows him to lie as he sees fit? rove...be gone!


36 posted on 02/06/2013 1:13:37 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: FReepers; Patriots; FRiends; Jim Robinson; Graewoulf; vox_freedom; penelopesire; RedMDer



FREE REPUBLIC:

Right about Rove BEFORE 2010

Please Support Free Republic Today

37 posted on 02/06/2013 1:14:03 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

Yup. You gotta be a squish to get Rove’s backing. No “God talk.” No fundamental constitutional rights allowed. Stay mum on abortion, gay marriage, gun rights, limited government, economic freedom, secure borders, drilling, etc. Walk like a RINO, quack like a RINO.


38 posted on 02/06/2013 1:30:39 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: DJ MacWoW; onyx; Graewoulf
However, Rove does not run GOP!

Some elders/wiseguys in GOP need to look at the sorry history of Rove’s ‘success’ and realize that he does not run the party and does not give the party directions.

Like Allahpundit did in this article to point out the American Crossroad did not play decisive roles of pushing candidates over their wins. Some candidates won not because of American Crossroad and Rove, they won because of grassroot support.

39 posted on 02/06/2013 1:47:13 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
NO, Mr. Rove, you did declare war on the Tea Party and the Republican base. This is the same Bravo Sierra “country club Republicans” against the “fly over country Republicans” crap that's been going on for decades; but you've really stepped in it this time.

We've had enough of your worthless, mushy moderate Republicans, Rove. We've got the virtual scalping knives out and are looking for elite RINO establishment political scalps. Thanks for the declaration of war because you just confirmed for everyone what Conservatives have long known: The elite RINO establishment is the enemy, along with the Donkeys and MSM.

40 posted on 02/06/2013 1:59:59 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: onyx
Rove hates the TEA Party and Conservatives, which is why he's employed at Fox News. Rove is the epitome of squishy, big tent, moderate R.

You whole Post is Correct Onyx and that part especially. Is it any wonder why Sarah left Republican Faux News?

NO!

GO TEA PARTY GO FREE REPUBLIC!!!!

This Post is a Keeper!

41 posted on 02/06/2013 2:07:55 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen!


42 posted on 02/06/2013 2:32:28 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Sir Napsalot; DJ MacWoW; Graewoulf; Jim Robinson
Some elders/wiseguys in GOP need to look at the sorry history of Rove’s ‘success’ and realize that he does not run the party and does not give the party directions.

There are NO elders/wiseguys running the GOP-E. THAT is the problem.

RINOs are in charge. Until there's a massive, Titantic shake-up, the GOP-E will continue to lose elections.

The DO NOT ENTER sign is on their smokey secret backroom door to all TEA Party Conservatives.

43 posted on 02/06/2013 2:39:43 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: KC_Lion

Thanks very much. Rove is a perfect fit at Fox News, but idiot Fox doesn’t realize that both Conservatives and democrats hate him. He’s a true loser all the way around. He gains them NOTHING.


44 posted on 02/06/2013 2:42:56 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Sir Napsalot
There ISN'T one!
45 posted on 02/06/2013 3:14:19 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Give me a reason to 'trust' Rove.


Image is the link

46 posted on 02/06/2013 3:44:38 PM PST by Ron H. (Hussein Obama, the 21st century American Balkanizer - 'Yes I Can')
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To: onyx

Perfectly said, onyx.

Rove exhibits typical establishment behavior, in using typical RINO entrenchment tactics, to consolidate power among only the cabal of elite political players, in bed with the monied controllers of more Big Money. Political canasta between the party elites and the banking-investor types trade in money and power, pay to play, and will-play-for-pay.

We have forced these self serving players into the light of day, for one reason. That reason is...... 2010! We exposed them.

Now, it’s us against them. Rove is trying to answer 2010, and prevent a re-occurance.

Which way will Rubio fall? Rand Paul? Paul Ryan? Jeb Bush?
I think they go with Rove and the boys, but for Paul, maybe. It is bad out there, isn’t it? No one with guts has the money, the preparation, or the campaign team to pull off anything, before the establishment coronates, funds, backs and markets the next nominee.

The clock is already running and we’re getting “crickets” from our conservative bench, that’s for sure. No preparation, no calendar concentration, no war chest, no nothing, so far. Eerie, out there.


47 posted on 02/06/2013 3:49:39 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: onyx
Rove is one of the 'elites' Reagan warned us about. Definitely not a man who trusts the people. Looks down on the grassroots. Absolutely despises tea party patriots.

"Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.... We've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people." --Ronald Reagan

"Extreme taxation, excessive controls, oppressive government competition with business, frustrated minorities and forgotten Americans are not the products of free enterprise. They are the residue of centralized bureaucracy, of government by a self-anointed elite." --Ronald Reagan

48 posted on 02/06/2013 4:06:41 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: RitaOK

You’re so right, dear RitaOK. Right as rain. 2016 looks scary similar to 2010. I would hate to have Rove back my favorite candidate (slim chance)...lol.

I reckon we have to concentrate on 2014 and thwart the mendacious Rove should he try to interfere in House and US Senate primaries, particularly in Southern states, like South Carolina where Miss Lindsey is up for reelection.


49 posted on 02/06/2013 4:07:54 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Jim Robinson; vox_freedom; penelopesire; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; Graewoulf; RitaOK

Mighty powerful quotes by our hero, Ronald Reagan.

He’s right and those quotes fit Rove and the GOP-E to a Tee!

Thanks so much, dearest Jim.


50 posted on 02/06/2013 4:13:40 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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