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Does the GOP have the votes to filibuster Reidís gun-control bill?
Hot Air ^ | April 9, 2013 | Allahpundit

Posted on 04/09/2013 11:34:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s a better question. Should the GOP filibuster the gun-control bill? Johnny Isakson says no:

“I’ll speak for myself on that question,” Isakson said on CBS’s “This Morning” when asked about the filibuster. “There’s no ambivalence on the gun issue, I think everyone knows what the issues are. We have not seen the final draft of the legislation that was produced, I understand, last night, but I think it deserves a vote up or down.”…

Isakson also said he could support a bill for universal background checks, depending on the language it contains.

McConnell, who does intend to filibuster, needs to hold 41 of the 45 members of his caucus to make it happen. Isakson is out; McCain said Sunday that he doesn’t understand the point of a filibuster here since Reid will allow amendments to the bill, so presumably he’s out too. Watch below and you’ll see that Rob Portman’s undecided. Presumably, since they have cover from senators from redder states to let the bill go forward, Susan Collins and Mark Kirk (and maybe Pat Toomey and Lisa Murkowski?) will also oppose a filibuster. If they do, and if Portman ends up opposing it too, that leaves a maximum of 40 Republican votes — not enough to stop the bill from proceeding to a final vote unless a few panicky Democrats from red states end up joining them. If you thought people like Mark Pryor and Mark Begich couldn’t sweat this issue any harder than they’re doing right now, think again.

But wait. Do we really want to stop this bill before a final vote? Maybe it’s in the GOP’s interest not to filibuster. Tom Maguire makes the case:

I’m with McCain – I don’t understand this Republican plan to filibuster Reid’s gun control bill...

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...


TOPICS: Issues; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: banglist; congress; democrats; filibuster; guncontrol; gunfilibuster; harryreid; randpaul; republicans; secondamendment; senate
You can always count on the Republicans .... to cave to the Democrats.
1 posted on 04/09/2013 11:34:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m not sure why we’d want to fillibuster. Why not just let it go to a vote? I don’t think Reid has the votes to pass it, but maybe my information is old.


2 posted on 04/09/2013 11:36:22 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who cares? It will never get through the house. Waste of mental gymnastics.


3 posted on 04/09/2013 11:37:05 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: MEGoody
I don't understand it either.

Seems like it would be better to get Dems on record with anti-gun votes, especially in red leaning states.

4 posted on 04/09/2013 11:38:44 AM PDT by what's up
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To: MEGoody

Bills like this used to be debated for weeks. Not anymore. Harry Reid got into the practice of filing for cloture at the same time he files the bill. That means 30 hours of debate for a motion to proceed and 30 hours for the bill. In reality, that’s two days, since all the overnight time counts. They want to rush this through with little debate or amendment. The only way for any actual debate to happen is with a filibuster.


5 posted on 04/09/2013 11:41:52 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: MEGoody

They’d filibuster to continue/have a debate. Otherwise, the rats will bring it right to the floor.


6 posted on 04/09/2013 11:41:57 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: wolfman23601

Actually, it is not a waste.
I halts the senate from spending time on other parts of the left’s agenda.
At the same time it focuses the pubic scrutiny an a part of that agenda that is unpopular.


7 posted on 04/09/2013 11:45:08 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The dems want the bill to killed. AWR Hawkins reported last week that Sen Blumenthal is going to offer an amendments to ban ‘high capacity’ magazines ensuring its defeat.


8 posted on 04/09/2013 11:45:45 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: wolfman23601

The House cannot be counted on. They’re already putting pressure on republican senators. Once it gets through the senate, the pressure will be on Boehner, who will fold quickly. And it’ll be passed with democrats and moderate republicans. Boehner or Cantor can refuse to bring it to the floor but they’ll either cave or Pelosi will get 218 signatures (with republican help) on a discharge petition to force it to the floor.

The fight is in the senate. And republcans are already caving, because they’re weak. Ayotte, Isakson, Heller, Flake, McCain and Graham have already thrown in their lot with the democrats. Chambliss and Johnanns are leaving so they won’t care and will too. Portman will be next, then the rest of the weak links.


9 posted on 04/09/2013 11:48:22 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: wolfman23601

“It will never get through the house.”

The house is full of Rinos:

Boehner: Will consider gun-control legislation

Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Thursday refused to rule out a vote on gun-control legislation in the next Congress.

The highest-ranking elected Republican lawmaker said that he would take the recommendations of a commission led by Vice President Joe Biden on gun control “under advisement.”

“When the vice president’s recommendations come forward, we’ll certainly take them into consideration,” Boehner told reporters gathered at a press conference in the Capitol.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/274035-boehner-will-consider-gun-control-legislation#ixzz2Pzi2aFLI


10 posted on 04/09/2013 12:01:32 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“There’s no ambivalence on the gun issue, I think everyone knows what the issues are. We have not seen the final draft of the legislation that was produced, I understand, last night, but I think it deserves a vote up or down.”…

No. My freedom does not "deserve" an up or down vote. Freedom is an absolute, and 51% of the people cannot vote to deprive me of a God-given constitutional right. The bill and all gun bills should be killed by any means necessary. If passed, they should be systematically ignored (as the mildest acceptable response). In the event of a trial, jury nullification is a moral obligation.

11 posted on 04/09/2013 12:01:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 (A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Especially with these back-stabbers.
In short, the GOP is full of VILE members who'll sell us out in a heartbeat!

Here are the ones that I know about.
What do we do when our side is full of TRAITORS?
I submit the following for proof.

Check out this link, "Senate Republicans Willfully and Knowingly Lie to Their Constituents (vote to fund Obamacare)".And let's not forget Sen. John McCain, one of Conservatives worst enemies, saying 'I don't understand' GOP filibuster on guns.
12 posted on 04/09/2013 12:05:30 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: MEGoody
I’m not sure why we’d want to fillibuster. Why not just let it go to a vote? I don’t think Reid has the votes to pass it, but maybe my information is old.

1. No matter what they're going to demonize conservatives on this issue. Its' a given.

2. With a fillibuster the Republican talking point is easy: We are defending the constitution and law abiding citizens from the gun grabbers in the democrat party.

3. If it comes to a vote then there will be bribery, pork barrel promises, glad handing and corruption on both sides of the aisle in order to get it passed. With a fillibuster this is less likely to happen.

13 posted on 04/09/2013 12:07:05 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: MrEdd
At the same time it focuses the pubic scrutiny an a part of that agenda that is unpopular.

I think that's the best part. In fact as Ted Cruz pointed out last time, its the only time he's been allowed to speak on the floor.

Also, they can cover many subjects like Cruz speaking on federal government interference in state matters.
14 posted on 04/09/2013 12:12:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

That’s right. They don’t need 40 votes to filibuster. Technically, all they need is 1 person with a HUGE bladder.

With 14, it should be a piece of cake - speak for 2 hours out of 28, that’s something a senator should be able to do without even thinking about it.

The only way it could be broken is if one of the 14 betrays the others, and turns the floor over to Reid, who calls for a cloture vote - THAT’S when the 40 votes are important.

I sense there is one who could potentially pull the rug out from under the others...


15 posted on 04/09/2013 12:26:59 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Personally, if there would be an honest debate without party line votes, I would expect that the various pieces of gun control legislation would not pass the Senate.

However, I think the voting will be on a party line basis no matter how flawed the legislation is or how little it will do to reduce gun violence.

I have written to my two Senators, and to six other Senators that may help oppose the universal background check legislation, which is not common sense, but nonsense.

16 posted on 04/09/2013 1:11:19 PM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Isakson, we are going to primary your puking RINO azz in 2016 so enjoy the perks while they last you loser.


17 posted on 04/09/2013 2:29:39 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is my thought on gun control. Let them vote on it. If it passes and is signed into law have all those that voted for it arressted for treason. Any gun controll is in violation of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.


18 posted on 04/09/2013 10:09:11 PM PDT by AirForce-TechSgt ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: DouglasKC

Good points all. I did hear Mark Levin talking about the issue of the constitution yesterday, i.e. why would we allow Congress to vote on a change to a constitutional right. Very convincing arguments. Convincing enough that I am now compelled to support a filibuster.


19 posted on 04/10/2013 2:23:31 PM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: what's up

I think this calls more attention to the vote- red state Dems have to vote 3 times for the bill: cloture on the motion to proceed, cloture to end debate, and on the bill itself.

Plus it gets more media coverage.


20 posted on 04/10/2013 2:37:38 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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