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Are you ready for Bush/Paul 2016?
Hot Air ^ | April 24, 2014 | Allahpundit

Posted on 04/24/2014 9:29:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A corollary to yesterday’s post spitballing about what Paul might do if Jeb (or someone else) squashes him in the early primaries. Whatever you think of Rand’s chances at the nomination, says Ramesh Ponnuru, he’s a strong contender for VP. Do the math:

Let’s say the Kentucky legislator makes a strong run — winning some states and coming close in others — but doesn’t win the nomination, a scenario that seems more likely than not. He has something going for him in the veepstakes that other Republican also-rans would not: a constituency that might well defect in large numbers from the party in November.

Assuming Paul loses, the Libertarian Party will have an easier task than usual: It will be able to concentrate its organizing among the people who voted for Paul in the primaries. That could easily amount to enough voters to deny Republicans a victory in the general election. (In other words, the libertarian candidate in this situation would be Ralph Nader in reverse.)

The winning Republican nominee would need Paul to campaign actively for him to prevent this scenario. But why wouldn’t Paul just go home to Kentucky to campaign for his own re-election? His Senate seat will be up in 2016.

Actually, unless Kentucky law changes or Paul wins a court battle declaring it unconstitutional, he’d be barred by statute from running for the Senate once he commits to running for president. That gives him even less incentive to make nice with the GOP nominee and campaign hard on his behalf, which makes the VP scenario even more likely. The eventual nominee, assuming it isn’t Rand himself, has to offer him the veep slot to keep libertarians and pro-Rand tea partiers in the fold. Doesn’t he?

Probably, yeah — although it may be that we end up with a nominee who’s so hostile to Paul and his philosophy that he’d refuse to add him to the ticket on principle, whatever that might mean for November. Christie might fit that bill, Ted Cruz obviously wouldn’t. Bush is an interesting case: He’d rather stay far away from Paulism, I’d guess, but Paul’s “different kind of Republican” brand would be attractive to a guy who’ll be hammered as a dynasty case and retread. If you want to signal to voters that you’re breaking from the GOP’s recent (Bush-heavy) past, Rand Paul’s the man you want to run with. It’d certainly help Bush get a grudging second look from grassroots righties. I think Rand would accept the offer too, despite the howls from hardcore ideologues in his base that he’d sold out and was being exploited by the enemy. Between endorsing Mitch McConnell in the Kentucky Senate primary and taking a more hawkish stand on Russia lately, he’s showed that he’s willing to compromise with the establishment in the name of improving his odds nationally. Serving as VP would give him the ultimate establishment cred and put him in line for the nomination down the road. He’s young by presidential standards. He can wait.

Here’s the X factor: Will establishment hawks and the GOP’s donor class tolerate having Paul on the ticket? If he wins an early primary or two, they’re going to kitchen-sink him with harsh attacks — he hates Israel, he fraternizes with racists, he’d destroy respect for American power in the world even more thoroughly than Obama has, and certainly he wouldn’t stand a chance against Hillary in the general. It’s … not easy to switch in a matter of months from that position to “hey, let’s put him one heartbeat away.” In particular, it’d be odd to go from claiming that Paul is electoral poison as nominee to claiming that it’d be electoral poison not to nominate him for VP for the reason Ponnuru gives (although that argument can, and probably will, be made). Just for example, could someone like McCain endorse a Bush/Paul or Rubio/Paul ticket? Could Christie? Could Sheldon Adelson, on whom the GOP is counting to donate tens of millions of dollars in the general election? Most Republicans would be good soldiers but you only need a small yet influential group of Paul critics to threaten to walk in order to get the nominee to think twice about Rand.

Exit question: Is there some middle-ground solution here, like a cabinet appointment for Paul, that would avoid the VP dilemma? Er, which cabinet position would he be an obvious candidate for?


TOPICS: Campaign News; Parties; U.S. Senate
KEYWORDS: bush; gop; jebbush; randpaul
What is a stronger statement than HELL NO?
1 posted on 04/24/2014 9:29:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jeb Bush is trash. No way in hell.


2 posted on 04/24/2014 9:30:26 PM PDT by Ray76 (Take over the GOP? You still beg! Forget them. Second Party Now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

i’d let Hillary win first!


3 posted on 04/24/2014 9:31:34 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jindal, Walker or Christie are the only RINO dreams that could come true.

Is Mitch Daniels big on foreign policy or is he a open slate?

Rand will have problems finding a VP who has not already committed to unlimited war.

Jeb is a fat joke.


4 posted on 04/24/2014 9:32:56 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They will lose. Paul has become an establishment candidate in my mind. No Bushes, no Pauls. No way.


5 posted on 04/24/2014 9:33:04 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll take a hard kick to the groin for 500, Alex....


6 posted on 04/24/2014 9:33:44 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just wondering.

(I know probably this idea won’t fly, but still)

How do FReepers feel about a Palin / Paul ticket?


7 posted on 04/24/2014 9:35:03 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

umm no. I’d rather play naked twister with a naked Moochel obama than vote for those 2 turds.


8 posted on 04/24/2014 9:35:47 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Cringing Negativism Network


9 posted on 04/24/2014 9:36:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree with your idea.

Just asking is all.


10 posted on 04/24/2014 9:39:51 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I have no idea what the other 399,999 FReepers prefer. We shall see.


11 posted on 04/24/2014 9:40:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Paul is just too GOPe like, to liberal on too many issues.

Frankly it isn’t just issues, the more we see of Paul, he seems to be a floundering, confused, un-centered, and wishy washy guy, that makes his desire to be president, sort of like what we saw with Romney, why?


12 posted on 04/24/2014 9:42:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ExpatGator

I agree on immigration and some social issues he is a weakling.

But I still dont think he would ever got on the ticket or get any special treatment.

It is going to be kind of obvious if he drops out after ending in the top 3 in a heap of states.


13 posted on 04/24/2014 9:44:26 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Palin for President: ‘Because Guys have been Screwing the Oval Office Pooch Long Enough, and Hillary Is A Dude’.
Paul for Under Secretary of Hale-Bopp Cometary Affairs.


14 posted on 04/24/2014 9:44:35 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No.


15 posted on 04/24/2014 9:47:45 PM PDT by Fungi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not interested.


16 posted on 04/24/2014 9:48:38 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

No for Paul.


17 posted on 04/24/2014 9:50:06 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!


18 posted on 04/24/2014 9:58:13 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Jeb getting the nomination is tantamount to saying the party’s quit in place anyway, so no.


19 posted on 04/24/2014 9:59:13 PM PDT by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Hostage

YES FOR CRUZ/PALIN THAT IS.


20 posted on 04/24/2014 10:01:01 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No way will I vote for another Bush!!!!


21 posted on 04/24/2014 10:13:43 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They must really want us to lose if that’s who they’re considering...


22 posted on 04/24/2014 10:16:32 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I still think Governor Sarah Palin ought to be at the top of the ticket in 2016 with the VP slot for Congressman Louie Gohmert. Given Senator Ted Cruz’s youth and intellect, I’d like to see him appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. He would have decades ahead to undo the evil of the activism and leftism of so-called “wise Latinas” as well as other socialists.


23 posted on 04/24/2014 10:19:07 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Feeling the Palin train has left the station, even tho I was a huge fan - even got to see her here in southern California.
Not seeing how to get back that enthusiasm.


24 posted on 04/24/2014 11:09:33 PM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I guess Freeper polls are a thing of the past, but it would be fun to see if Jeb Bush could clear 5%.


25 posted on 04/24/2014 11:15:08 PM PDT by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have no idea what the other 399,999 FReepers prefer.


Where did you get that figure? Just curious.


26 posted on 04/24/2014 11:54:48 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

H377 no to either and or.... :p


27 posted on 04/24/2014 11:57:58 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: laplata

That’s the common estimate of the number of people registered here, IIRC.


28 posted on 04/25/2014 12:03:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Okay-thanks.


29 posted on 04/25/2014 12:05:29 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: re_nortex
Given Senator Ted Cruz’s youth and intellect, I’d like to see him appointed as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

I doubt John Roberts (57) is real keen on that idea.

30 posted on 04/25/2014 12:22:58 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Both losers.


31 posted on 04/25/2014 12:48:53 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No on both.


32 posted on 04/25/2014 3:35:07 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Ray76

And Paul’s only marginally better.


33 posted on 04/25/2014 3:39:15 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: ansel12

Because that’s what malignant ambition will do to a pol.


34 posted on 04/25/2014 3:39:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: re_nortex

Unfortunately, Roberts is only 15 years older than Cruz.


35 posted on 04/25/2014 3:41:20 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bush v. Clinton ... if it comes down to that, I give up. Maybe I’ll move to Mexico, denounce my citizenship, and then sneak back across the border as an illegal so I can get free stuff.


36 posted on 04/25/2014 4:11:51 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does Jeb read FR by any chance? Does he not read the polls that are taken in regards to him running?

Jeb, go ahead and run. All you’ll do is lose.

Read my lips...NO NEW BUSHES!


37 posted on 04/25/2014 6:36:25 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: USARightSide

I don’t know about that.

Palin will need to get back her support base this time if she runs, early. I believe her support to be wide and strong, but there is quite a huge portion of the party which will not support her until she actually announces, this time.

That is not to say however, she does not have a very strong base of support.

She does.


38 posted on 04/25/2014 6:39:47 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOPe are a bunch of cowards, first sign of trouble and they run to hide in the “Bushes”....


39 posted on 04/25/2014 8:18:59 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another Establishment patented “Boob Bait for Bubbas” routine to get the base to hold their collective nose and vote.

3 million refused the bait in 2012 from Romney. How many more would refuse it 2016 with yet another RINO Bush on top of the ticket?

They don’t care - just so long as they get to keep control of the party.


40 posted on 04/25/2014 9:19:31 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Audentis Fortuna Iuvat)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sarah would also have to do some convincing that a run now is
okay because the family members are a bit older - - - she
understandably begged off last time because of family, and putting
them thru the circus - fine.

I think it’s hard to get enthusiasm back - so much has changed - so many have moved on. The liberal press and T.V. shows must be in wait - - -

Side note: Since Jeb Bush is often mentioned as a candidate, he would have to overcome his standing behind ‘Common Core.’ Common Core is not popular in many areas.

Rats - if it’s not one thing, it’s another. . .


41 posted on 04/26/2014 1:18:25 AM PDT by USARightSide (S U P P O R T I N G OUR T R O O P S)
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