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Happy Huckabee Gets Mad (Oh, good grief!)
The Daily Beast ^ | May 6, 2014 | David Freedlander

Posted on 05/06/2014 7:10:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Gone is the sunny, compassionate candidate of 2008. In the run-up to 2016, the former Arkansas governor is downright angry. He’s learned his lesson from his last campaign, ex-aides say.

In 2007, Mike Huckabee stood impassively on a Republican presidential debate stage while Mitt Romney tried to embarrass him. A program that Huckabee had instituted in Arkansas gave undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children the right to in-state tuition at Arkansas’s public universities.

Huckabee sounded, Romney said, like a Massachusetts liberal. “Are we going to give taxpayer-funded benefits to kids that are here illegally and put them ahead of kids that are here legally?” he asked.

Huckabee explained that the kids who benefitted were brought to the U.S. as children, that they had spent all their young lives in Arkansas’s public schools, and that, in many cases, they had excelled. He alluded to his own story—going to work at 14 as a local radio host, working his way through Ouachita Baptist University in two and half years.

“Let me finish, Mitt,” he said when the former Massachusetts governor tried to interject. “In all due respect, we are a better country than to punish children for what their parents did. We’re a better country than that.”

It was one of the more remarkable moments of the 2008 campaign. Here was a presidential contender not pandering to an anti-immigrant crowd but shaming his party— and, for that matter, his nation—to be better. Rare is the candidate who cuts against the grain of party orthodoxy; rarer still is one who uses the campaign to educate and persuade the public....

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TOPICS: Arkansas; Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2016; amnesty; arkansas; dreamers; gomerhuckleberry; huckabee; immigration; romney
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1 posted on 05/06/2014 7:10:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Nope. Not voting for Huck, either.

/johnny

2 posted on 05/06/2014 7:14:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I agree with Huckabee on that. If you aren’t going to deport or imprison the parents for being here illegally, then don’t punish their kids.

I say we close the border and deport. But don’t “wink wink” let them stay here, and then oppress them.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 7:15:59 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: JRandomFreeper

I hope you’re wearing body armor. After Tillis’ shameful victory in NC tonight, the Rove squad are out to slide daggers into the backs of ‘purists’ who won’t vote for liberals.


4 posted on 05/06/2014 7:17:37 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon
I fart in their general direction.

I will not vote for a liberal. Especially if that liberal is a republican.

This is a conservative web site, not a republican one.

/johnny

5 posted on 05/06/2014 7:19:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here was a presidential contender not pandering to an anti-immigrant crowd but shaming his party— and, for that matter, his nation—to be better.

Oh theres an objective comment.

Seriously, why doesn't this kind of crap make everyone's skin crawl? In this country we are DROWNING in our own "compassion".

America would be so much better if we gave just a little bit more of our money, time, country away. We're not giving enough yet, y'see.

At the same time we are on our last leg and NO ONE - no foreign nation, no politician in DC, no fat assed bureaucrat slopping at the government trough, gives a rats arse about us and our families.

6 posted on 05/06/2014 7:22:19 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

7 posted on 05/06/2014 7:23:08 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“No”, to Huck.

“NO” to Santorum.

The same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow, or in the future— just, “NO”.


8 posted on 05/06/2014 7:23:29 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

OOPs.


9 posted on 05/06/2014 7:23:38 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: skeeter

Huckster just likes cheap foreign labor...Compassion has nothing to do with it.


10 posted on 05/06/2014 7:24:19 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DannyTN

Making them pay out-of-state tuition is oppression? Boy, let me see that dictionary you’re using.


11 posted on 05/06/2014 7:24:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Huckster loves illegal immigrants and big government. The Huckster might as well be a democrat. he is a democrat but calls himself Republican.

I talk to a lot of regular people, not politicians. Almost every democrat loves government , trusts government , believes the news media and believes in global warming. and almost every Republican person i talked to is for smaller government, gun ownership, freedom of speech and doesn't believe in global warming( I am for all these too smaller gov, freedom, individual rights and so I'm a Republican too but registered as independent because I fear the IRS and Obama and the democrat party

12 posted on 05/06/2014 7:26:27 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They still have to meet the instate residency requirements just like anyone else.

Huckabee isn’t talking about letting illegals who currently live in California attend Arkansas schools on in-state tuition.

But if the illegals have lived in Arkansas for the required period (usually 4 years) then to make them pay higher tuition than other people who lived in state is oppression.


13 posted on 05/06/2014 7:28:36 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
If you aren’t going to deport or imprison the parents for being here illegally, then don’t punish their kids.

I respectfully disagree. No kids are being "punished" by the government. If anything, they are being punished by decisions made by their parents.

14 posted on 05/06/2014 7:29:21 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Huckabee should have been a banjo player... Just sayin'
15 posted on 05/06/2014 7:32:18 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: DannyTN
It isn't 'oppressing' illegals because their presence in the state (for more than 4 years) is illegal.

Are you not clear on what illegal means?

/johnny

16 posted on 05/06/2014 7:32:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN; All
wow you are for illegals. do the moderators here know?We are in need of a Zot. lol. i think 99% of freepers are against illegals. I think 75% of Americans are against illegals. only democrats love illegals

you agree with a socialist. Mike Huckabee is the socialist from Arkansas , PROOF:

http://topconservativenews.com/2007/10/conservative-huckabee/

While Huckabee is now lying and saying he is dedicated to fighting illegal immigration, his record is clear.

Fact #1. As Governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee denounced an immigration bill (Arkansas Senate Bill 206) that “would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and would have required state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.”
(Doug Thompson, “Immigration Bill un-Christian..governor says”Arkansas News Bureau 1/28/05)

Fact #2. As Governor, Mike Huckabee offered a proposal to give state funded scholarships and state benefits to illegal aliens. (Laura Kellams, “Huckabee Plan would give aid to illegal aliens” Arkansas Democrat Gazette 1/12/2005)

Fact #3. Governor Huckabee supported the McCain-Kennedy Senate Amnesty bill for illegal aliens. Huckabee claims to know God’s position on the Amnesty Bill, and that God supports it. Huckabee has repeated called opponents of illegal immigration “racists” and/or “bigots.” Read Article. , Read Article #2

Fact #4. Governor Huckabee refuses to sign the “No Amnesty Pledge”.

17 posted on 05/06/2014 7:33:26 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: DannyTN

Which part of the word illegal is so hard for everyone to understand? There are colleges in Mexico, it’s not deepest, darkest Africa. It’s part of North America, just like Canada and the United States.


18 posted on 05/06/2014 7:33:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

What is ironic is the people who don’t want illegal immigrants to suffer for the crimes of their parents would be more than willing to hit kids up for SS overpayments to their parents.


19 posted on 05/06/2014 7:34:53 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Charlatans to the left of me and to the right.


20 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:07 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I noticed some time back that Huckabee built a six million dollar house in Walton County, Florida just South of DeFuniak Springs. I guess he wants to be close to a beach.


21 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:08 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Leaning Right
You are 100% ocrrect.

I am sick and tired of illegal aliens and their fans demandingspecial priviledges.

22 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:14 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Excellent point.


23 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JRandomFreeper

I will vote for anyone against Hillary-except for Jeb.


24 posted on 05/06/2014 7:36:16 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: JRandomFreeper

DannyTn seems to favor illegals imo

I haven’t seen an old fashioned Zot in a while. I would like to see one lol

DaNnyTN agrees with a socialist. Mike Huckabee is the socialist from Arkansas , PROOF:

http://topconservativenews.com/2007/10/conservative-huckabee/


25 posted on 05/06/2014 7:36:33 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: DannyTN
“In all due respect, we are a better country than to punish children for what their parents did. We’re a better country than that.”

With what little respect is due to the Huckster, isn't punishing a kid who moved in to Arkansas from, say, Wisconsin by charging them out of state tuition doing the same thing? After all, how was it their fault that their parents lived in Wisconsin?

26 posted on 05/06/2014 7:37:48 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Which part of the word illegal is so hard for everyone to understand?"

Well aparently our presidents from both parties don't understand the "il" part of "illegal". Because neither have been willing to enforce immigration, close the border and deport them.

But given that they have been allowed to stay here in some cases more than a decade, then they should be treated right. And making them pay out-of-state tuition, when they have been living in state for many years, is oppression.

27 posted on 05/06/2014 7:38:01 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Vigilanteman
"With what little respect is due to the Huckster, isn't punishing a kid who moved in to Arkansas from, say, Wisconsin by charging them out of state tuition doing the same thing? After all, how was it their fault that their parents lived in Wisconsin?"

I don't think Huckabee was advocating giving illegals who recently moved to Arkansas instate tuition. They had to meet the residency requirements. So assuming the requirements was 4 years. Then an illegal who moved to Arkansas 4 years before going to college would be eligible for in-state tuition, the same as a citizen who moved from Wisconsin 4 years before going to college.

If they hadn't lived in Arkansas for at least 4 years then neither the illegal nor the Wisconsin are eligible. If they don't meet the residency requirements than neither gets in-state tuition. That seems fair to me.

28 posted on 05/06/2014 7:42:14 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
No. It is recognizing and celebrating their illegality. They not only shouldn't get in-state tuition, they shouldn't be allowed to enroll at all.

You really are a liberal aren't you?

/johnny

29 posted on 05/06/2014 7:42:17 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN
How about 4 years of LEGAL residency.

/johnny

30 posted on 05/06/2014 7:43:06 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: apocalypto
I am sick and tired of illegal aliens and their fans demanding special privileges

Yep. Here's the argument today: Illegals reside in-state, so let's give them in-state privileges (in-state college tuition, a driver's license, etc).

Soon the argument will be: Illegals reside in-state, so let's give them the right to vote and hold office.

Then American citizenship will become meaningless.

31 posted on 05/06/2014 7:43:22 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Democrat_media

Actually, I want to close the border and deport the illegals.

But if you are going to let them stay here, like we have, then you don’t need to oppress them. Letting them live here for 10 years and then charging their kids higher rates to go college than others, is oppression.


32 posted on 05/06/2014 7:44:10 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Was Mike Huckabee “just like Bill Clinton?” Maybe, but some would actually say he was to the left of Bill Clinton. As Governor of Arkansas, Huckabee’s tax and spend record greatly exceeded former AR Gov. Bill Clinton. He even wanted to tax the internet.

Mike Huckabee: The SOCIALIST from Arkansas:

http://topconservativenews.com/2007/10/conservative-huckabee/

The NEA is a radical left wing teachers association. They aggressively oppose homeschooling, are hostile to parochial schools, and advocate federalizing the curriculum of all public schools. As Governor of Arkansas Mike Huckabee passed a law that added major restrictions to the Arakansas Homeschool Rights Act passed by Bill Clinton, making Arkansas one of the most hostile state to homeschoolers outside of the Northeast. Homeschoolers in Arkansas had more rights when Clinton left office than when Huckabee left office.

Mike Huckabee was the keynote speaker at the 2007 NEA national convention!


33 posted on 05/06/2014 7:44:15 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: dfwgator

Tks.


34 posted on 05/06/2014 7:45:11 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: Democrat_media
Was Mike Huckabee “just like Bill Clinton?”

One "Dope from Hope" was already too many.

35 posted on 05/06/2014 7:45:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: JRandomFreeper
They shouldn't be here at all. But we are letting them be here. Multiple presidents from both parties have refused to do anything about it. So given the mistakes by our presidents, we're now left with the clean up.

Scripture is pretty clear....

Exo 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

Exo 23:9 Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

If we let them stay here, we are not to oppress them.

We either deport them or treat them right. No second class citizenry in America.

36 posted on 05/06/2014 7:48:47 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
4 years of legal residency, and they get in-state tuition.

That's not vexatious.

But invaders aren't strangers, and only a liberal idiot would confuse the two.

/johnny

37 posted on 05/06/2014 7:51:38 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DannyTN

Define “oppress”?


38 posted on 05/06/2014 7:53:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DannyTN
Idiotic, because the illegal is elevated over the kid from Wisconsin by virtue of his/her parents illegal residence in Arkansas for the four years prior. The kid from Wisconsin can make the exact same argument that it wasn't his/her decision to live in Wisconsin just as the illegal can argue that it wasn't his/her decision to be brought illegally into Arkansas.

You are therefore making a perk available to an illegal which isn't equally available to a citizen of another state for the same reason.

How many years of illegal residence in Arkansas the illegal alien enjoyed prior to college enrollment is not AND SHOULD NOT BE relevant.

If you cannot punish the kids for the (il)legal status of their parents, then you ought not to be able to reward them either.

The only way this could work fairly under a 14th amendment challenge is to offer the same rate to legal residents who move in as is offered to illegal residents already there.

39 posted on 05/06/2014 7:53:58 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: DannyTN
Oh... the Israelis were SLAVES in Egypt. Not invaders.

You need to be careful about quoting bible texts. There is no moral equivalence between the invaders from south of the border and the enslaved Jews.

Only a liberal moron would consider the two equivalent.

/johnny

40 posted on 05/06/2014 7:57:45 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Illegal means they shouldn't be here at all.

If you want to deport them then fine, deport them. That's what I want.

But if you want to (wink wink) let them stay here, and be cheap labor and deny them benefits that everyone else gets, and make them pay more to send their kids to college, then you're wrong. Basically a slave class. That's oppressing the stranger and will likely bring God's wrath upon us.

41 posted on 05/06/2014 7:58:42 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: JRandomFreeper; DannyTN
invaders aren't strangers

Some FR discussions end in a draw. Others end in a split decision, or even a TKO. IMHO, the above comment ends this discussion as a KO.

DannyTN, you put up a good fight here. I even had you ahead in the early scoring. But the KO goes to JRF.

42 posted on 05/06/2014 8:00:17 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: DannyTN

Not giving them a better deal than US citizens for college is a punishment??

Of course not


43 posted on 05/06/2014 8:00:22 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Oh... the Israelis were SLAVES in Egypt. Not invaders."

The Israelis started out as guests in Egypt. They were invited there by Joseph who had risen to be second in the land of Egypt.

You need to be careful about ignoring scriptural texts that clearly reveals how God thinks we should treat one another.

44 posted on 05/06/2014 8:01:57 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: GeronL
"Not giving them a better deal than US citizens for college is a punishment??"

How is it a better deal? They still have to meet the residency requirements, just like everyone else.

45 posted on 05/06/2014 8:03:02 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
That people like you pose as conservatives means that God's wrath is already upon us.

Your moral equivalence argument holds as much water as CNN saying that the death penalty is unChristian.

You are a flaming lib.

Sod off.

/johnny

46 posted on 05/06/2014 8:04:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dfwgator
Define “oppress”?

Oppress

47 posted on 05/06/2014 8:05:53 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Invaders aren't strangers. They are invaders.

/johnny

48 posted on 05/06/2014 8:06:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Invaders aren't strangers. They are invaders.

Then deport them already.

Don't (wink wink) let them stay here and they treat them like a second class.

49 posted on 05/06/2014 8:15:22 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
I push for that every chance I get.

Until that happens, I intend to treat them like invaders, and not offer benefits supposedly reserved to legal residents.

4 years of legal residency, and then in-state tuition. Clock starts when they get legal.

Don't reward law breaking. And that's what you advocate.

Only liberal scum would reward unlawful behavior and call it 'fair'.

/johnny

50 posted on 05/06/2014 8:19:22 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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