Posted on 02/24/2015 7:07:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Why not be the second one in a row
Birther!!!!! No credibility, right????!!!
If he was a citizen at birth then he is a natural born citizen.
The Obama issue came down to the age of his mother at the time and the law the required her to be of a of an age to provide birth right citizenship. see
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf
As well as the good possibility that he renounced his citizenship or committed fraud at Columbia IF he applied as a foreign student
Exactly!
No legitimate authority has ever established that “Natural Born Citizen” is MORE restrictive than “a citizen at birth.”
The TEXT of the Constitution would make no sense if the qualifications for President were identical to those for the Congress, because being a “citizen” is required for the Congress, while “Natural Born citizen” is required for the Presidency. So we can be certain that “Natural Born citizen” is not synonymous with “citizen.”
But there is no conclusive argument that NBC is MORE restrictive than “citizen at birth.”
The oft-cited Minor v. Happersett does NOT establish a requirement of birth to two citizen parents. What it says is that “it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” But the Court did NOT say that ONLY those born of two citizen parents are “natural-born citizens.” In fact, the decision explicitly acknowledges this.
Ted Cruz was a citizen at the moment of his birth. That is SUFFICIENT to qualify as a NBC.
If Barry Soetoro is the son of Barack Hussein Obama, (as claimed on the crudely-forged birth certificate with the typefaces of six different typewriters on it) of Kenya, then Soetoro was a British Subject at birth—and STILL IS A BRITISH SUBJECT—and an illegal alien.
If Barry Soetoro is the son of Frank Marshall Davis, then Soetoro IS a Natural Born Citizen. But he isn’t Barack Hussein Obama.
If Barry Soetoro became an Indonesian citizen, then whatever he was at birth, he is NOW an illegal alien.
So, please, lamestream media, let there be a FULL AIRING of this issue. Please, please, place the story of Ted Cruz’s citizenship right alongside the story of Barry Soetoro’s citizenship!
Is he Canadian? Or did the author mean "Lorne Greene"?
Both, I believe.
Only if running for Prime Minister.
They drive cars on the wrong side in Britton too.
It floats the idea that there natural born citizen is a separate status based on two citizen parents. It acknowledges that some make the legal argument. Then it specifically states that it's moot, because there is no doubt the person in question had two citizens for parents, so they don't have to make a decision on that matter. It's an interesting legal footnote, not any kind of precedent.
A foreign born non-American IS president. Pre3cedents have been set. Anyone in the world is eligible to be President of the USA if he can get enough billionaire, Corporate, and MSM backing.
Sorry Trueblackman, but you might begin by asking Mr. Obama, who, along with his presidential campaign co-chair, Claire McCaskill, co-sponsored Senate Bill 2678 on February 28, 2008, "To clarify the law and ensure that children born to United States citizens while serving overseas in the military are eligible to become President." That bill failed to pass out of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Most U.S Senators are attorneys and Obama is a constitutional scholar. SB 2678 wasn't rejected for redundancy. Mr. Obama clearly doesn't agree with your proclamation of who is a natural born citizen. Mr. Obama, by-the-way, has never called himself a natural born citizen and neither has Mr. Cruz, most all of whose suggestions I support. Mr. Cruz has said through a spokesman that he is as eligible to be president of the U.S. as Mr. Obama, and with that I wholeheartedly agree.
When SB2678 failed McCaskill hurriedly submitted Senate Resolution 511 on 10 March 2008 together with Obama, Leahy, Clinton, Webb, and Coburn, known as "Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen." Resolutions are not laws. They aren't actionable. You should ask yourself why Obama's campaign committee, which included his Harvard Law advisor Larry Tribe, were so interested in helping John McCain, whose eligibility they had previously and thoroughly impeached Just search, if they haven't all been scrubbed, WaPo, NYT, LA Times, stories after each of a dozen or so stories explaining McCain's ineligibility, and after Dem Law Professor Gabriel Chin's thorough explanation.
For a careful and very thorough review of the law read Mario Apuzzo at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/ where he addresses precisely this issue. Mr. Apuzzo was of the several attorneys blocked at the Supreme Court when he attempted to get the court to resolve the issue addressed often in past cases, and in one case where that definition was essential to the decision rendering it precedent. Precedent is not binding, but overturning it requires some careful construction or many past decisions could be put into doubt. The court needed to confirm the only class of citizen defined in the U.S. Constitution, the definition based upon the language and law familiar to our framers, since, as Madison explained, there are not definitions in the Constitution itself, by design, because word meanings evolve over time and natural law is eternal.
Their cases were blocked by Obama's two appointees, Kagan and Sotomayor, both of whom stood to lose millions of dollars and lifetime appointments if their sponsor were to have been deemed ineligible. There are no laws addressing the integrity of supreme court justices and no enforceable rules for recusal. The Constitution provides only for impeachment of justices, a constraint to help impose separation of powers. Let's try to insure that Mr. Cruz is available to replace the sensitive and malleable Mr. Roberts as chief justice. Cruz knows the truth, but knows that Alinsky rules in these times, and he probably sees no reason to give up the platform he us using so well.
I hate to be the cold water, but I’m afraid conservatives have lost their ever-lovin’ minds. Before Obama NO ONE believed that anyone born outside of the U.S. was eligible to be President. What has changed? Nothing. I love Cruz. He can’t be President.
You’re wrong of course. Ted Cruz WAS born a citizen. Ted Cruz was NOT born a natural-born citizen. Sorry.
All that matters is... What was the definition of “natural born” when the phrase was used in the Constitution. Case law is meaningless here. We are NOT interpreting here, we are simply defining words. Natural born is born in the country to two parents whom are citizens. Anything else requires statute to clarify, and is therefore NOT natural born.
So wrong... omg. Citizen at birth happens everyday by force of statute. Natural born requires NO statute. Natural born means that NO statute is needed. The state of citizenship is NATURAL by simple circumstance. If you are born in country, of two parents who are citizen, your citizenship is uncontested and NATURAL. No statute is ever needed to clarify. Having just ONE parent who is not a citizen POTENTIALLY makes you citizenship questionable. This is proof that it is MERE citizenship at birth, not natural born citizenship.
What is gratuitously asserted may be gratuitously denied.
If any statute is required to establish citizenship, the citizenship is NOT natural at birth. Therefore the person is NOT eligible to be President. McCain was not eligible to be President.. PERIOD.
Thanks for proving the conservatives are just as likely to trash the Constitution as the libs are when it suits their purpose.
I gratuitously assert common sense. Statutes are needed to clarify. Correct? Clarification is needed when citizenship is a question. The ONLY state of citizenship that requires no clarification is... Born in country, both parents are citizens. This is not an American idea, it is a UNIVERSAL idea. On this issue conservatives prove that they are no better than libs at being faithful to the Constitution. It truly disgusts me.
“It’s the FATHR’S citizenship that matters. Ask the Brits;”
Fifteen years ago, my grandson was born in London of an English woman and my son, an American. He became a US citizen and British citizen the day he was born - dual citizenship. He was also issued an American Passport the day he was born.
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