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CRUZ or LOSE!Posted on 03/27/2015 11:09:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Earlier today, MSNBC published a story suggesting Senator Cruz supports legalization of undocumented individuals currently in the United States.
Derived from the fact that Senator Cruz hasn’t specifically stated he does not support legalization of undocumented individuals, the inference is that Cruz must therefore support legalization of undocumented individuals. It’s a nice little semantic game, really.
MSNBC referenced a Texas Tribune article from 2013 which they claim indicates, “that he [Cruz] supported giving some undocumented immigrants permission to stay in the country with more limited legal status.” This summation is not accurate.
The Texas Tribune article, written around the time of the Gang of Eight immigration fight, makes the same incorrect assumption as MSNBC. The first statement is correct while the latter is only partially so:
When it comes to immigration reform, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz has made it abundantly clear what he opposes: giving citizenship to people who broke the law to come here.
What has not been as evident is what he supports: legal status for millions of people here already, while making it easier for immigrants to come here through the front door.
Going on to discuss the Gang of Eight legislation, the Texas Tribune reported:
Immigration-reform legislation from the Senate’s so-called Gang of Eight passed that chamber in June and includes a 13-year path to citizenship. Cruz pushed unsuccessfully for amendments that would have, among other things, eliminated the citizenship component.
Asked about what to do with the people here illegally, however, he stressed that he had never tried to undo the goal of allowing them to stay.
“The amendment that I introduced removed the path to citizenship, but it did not change the underlying work permit from the Gang of Eight,” he said during a recent visit to El Paso. Cruz also noted that he had not called for deportation or, as Mitt Romney famously advocated, self-deportation.
Neither in the Texas Tribune nor at any other time has Senator Cruz ever said he supports legalization for undocumented workers currently residing in the United States.
Senator Cruz’s campaign spokeswoman Catherine Frazier told us Cruz’s goal in the Gang of Eight amendment was three fold: to get Senators on the record showing where they stood on the issue, that it was a good faith effort to improve the bill, and to stop a pathway to citizenship. Frazier explained it was not intended to suggest support for legalization.
“Cruz supports strengthening the border and fixing our legal immigration and interior enforcement systems before we deal with those who are here illegally,” Frazier said. “It’s premature to discuss what to do with those who are still here illegally until we have made these reforms. Indicating that there may be the potential for amnesty in the future, only encourages more illegal immigration.”
Frazier reiterated Senator Cruz’s consistency on the issue, that the Senator is in favor of expanding legal immigration, and that he vocally opposes President Obama’s executive immigration overreach.
While MSNBC’s claim that Senator Cruz has not specifically detailed his stance on legalizing undocumented immigrants is true, the inference that he supports legalization, is false.
They are going to use the illegal immigration issue to drive a wedge through the Republican electorate. They want a large enough number to be so dispirited that they refuse to vote. I say, don’t let them push your buttons and act like an all emotions and no rational thought DemonRAT.
All Republicans should support a total closing of the border with the best technology and troops. They should demand that those who are in the United States had better follow our laws.
If I made policy, I would deport all those who commit a felony. Why should our tax dollars support their incarceration? That is money out of our pockets plus the jobs they took away from the good, law-abiding citizens. Those who rack up a certain number of crimes should also be deported. Why should we let them bleed us of the cost of incarceration when deportation would end the cost of their serial lawbreaking? I say three strike and you’re out!
I would end the citizen by birth babies under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The time of slavery, for which this amendment was made, has long gone. No one should use this tactic to gain citizenship for a child—and the rest of the family.
It is clear the Cruz supports amnesty, that is allowing illegal aliens now in the US to stay. He couldn’t be much this past week. I call it amnesty, he calls it legalization, saying amnesty involves giving path to citizenship. BS. Any reward of illegal activity is amnesty. Cruz risks creating a mockery of his credibility by arguing the definition of “is”. In unfortunate reality, his stance is really no different than Walker, Bush, and others.
Even Ike, who many idolize here due to his “Operation Wetback” program, which would be politically infeasible today, had a guest worker program. Look it up. Also, attacking Ted Cruz here and being a recent sign-up might be hazardous to your being here a year from now. I’m not threatening you or reporting you to anybody, just letting you know that you may be on thin ice.
You are wrong and misinformed.
If you had read this article and the well reasoned comments to it, you would realize that Cruz has never advocated the legalization, or regularization of status, of anyone who is residing in the United States illegally.
You have been deceived by those who seek to dispirit and dishearten conservatives by misattribution.
Welcome to FR.
I wrote about the use of the amnesty issue to drive a wedge through the Republican electorate. I was writing about the MSNBC effort suggesting Senator Cruz’s support for the legalization of undocumented individuals. As for my take on the issue, let these “undocumented individuals” write their own ticket out of here. There are ways to discourage them from staying in the United States, ways to deport them and ways to keep more of them from coming in. I have touched on some of the ways in my post #2, However, let’s bring on a polite discussion on more of the ways. Maybe Senator Ted Cruz will read them.
How would you discourage the “undocumented individuals” from staying in the United States? The magnetic attraction must be countered. Any ideas?
Hi, jonrick46
I agree with your posts.
I was replying to Reno89519, but added you to the distribution list.
When I sense that someone is attempting to suppress or discourage conservatives through misinformation, however, I sometimes give decorum a back seat.
You are a faithful FRiend and supporter of the truth.
Your statagy would lead to 3 x 20 = 60 million new Latin voters—and the obliteration of anything close to a conservative majority or policies in our country.
If the GOP continues in advocating such positions it should have a wedge driven through it—and a stake pounded through its heart as well.
“How would you discourage the “undocumented individuals” from staying in the United States? The magnetic attraction must be countered. Any ideas?”
Don’t give them jobs. Put those caught hiring illegals in jail. But that isn’t enough. 12 million illegals are not going home. Won’t happen. They are here to stay and anyone suggesting the best way for them to stay here is by doing X is being in favor of amnesty.
Bottom line. Any amnesty plan that doesn’t begin with “before amnesty is considered the border must be sealed” is worthless. Conservatives will still stay away from the candidate, but it might draw enough squish votes away from the rat to carry the election.
The definition of "Amnesty" (from the Greek ἀμνηστία amnestia, "forgetfulness") is defined as: "A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted."[1] It includes more than pardon, in as much as it obliterates all legal remembrance of the offense.
I'm not sure that this is what Ted Cruz favors, but it is clear that you will only be satisfied if every illegal is forcefully returned to their country of origin. Good luck with that pipe dream.
The people here, me included, want to hear the word DEPORT. We simply won’t be hearing that...none of the major candidates has used that word. Instead we’re left with different levels of legalization (either by stating you won’t deport, or by going a step further and handing out work permits, or next by green cards, or finally by “the path”).
Cruz is clear that he won’t go past the “work permit” stage...and it’s still arguable whether he’ll even go that far. That still puts him to the right of Scott Walker and way to the right of just about every other candidate.
So, given everything else he’s done, and the fact that about 94 other Senators hate his guts, I’m still with him, totally!
Our grandchildren are going to schools in TX that have only 20% White students, with 45% Latinos, many with limited English. Their parents can’t afford private schools, so they are stuck in this situation. Shame on the Supreme Court for tuning the public schools in border states into magnets for illegal immigration.
We can dream...
Some call anything short of this 'amnesty'. Many posters on FR call anything short of this 'amnesty'. Here's what I think about dealing with the 11 to 20 million illegals now here:
1) Seal the borders.
2) Don't do anything else until the borders are sealed.
3) Require proof of citizenship before allowing anyone to vote.
4) Pass a law prohibiting citizenship for anyone who has entered the US illegally.
5) Pass a law eliminating the citizenship status of babies born to illegal immigrants.
6) After all this is in place, and proven to be effective, begin discussions about what to do with the illegals currently residing in the US.
Some think there is a need for poorly educated non-English speaking guest workers who will work for low wages. This doesn't seem logical to me, but I'm open to hearing the arguments for and against it. I will probably be accused of being a RINO traitor in favor of amnesty for even bringing up the topic.
What is their to discuss, they need to repatriate themselves. ASAP.
SOP, every time. It's all they got as a primary work list of things to say and do.
For one, the discussion of deporting those who can't write with proper English.
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