Posted on 12/20/2015 11:44:39 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Immigration to the U.S. is an "economic calamity," according to Ted Cruz -- but only if it happens to you....
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Of course, Ted Cruz is right. Fewer available workers = higher wages. Abundance of available workers = lower wages. Is this not basic economics?
Does an increase in Supply reduce Price?
Discuss.
Well you also have to consider that the immigrants earning wages then become consumers who spend that money, which adds demand to the economy, so it’s not quite as clear-cut as you say.
Then those 11.7 million (really about 15-20 million) ARE NOT IMMIGRANTS. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS. And their interaction with, and effect on, the marketplace are quite different.
Conservatives need to quit letting these Marxists define the terms of the debate.
Sounds like another false report. National Bureau of Economic Research comes up with some strange results. It was hard to make money working on a farm because of so many people looking for jobs. I guess that is how they come up with 5% unemployment with over 100 million on welfare.
So yes the answer is quite clear cut.
Its only obvious if you are in a field that actively recruits foreign workers.
People who are insulated from this feel differently because they don’t see the effects directly. And people have a wonderful ability to absorb whatever is the current state of affairs and see it as normal. I think thats what they call “normalcy bias”.
Basic supply and demand.
Immigration of low skilled workers is specifically targeted at keeping blacks and the immigrants themselves as an undeclass.
Hence why the Jebs and Hillarrys of the world agree. They want slaves but need to change the name to something more palatable
It is clear cut to Americans competing against Mexicans, for example in construction.
It is true that these same Mexicans will spend money, much of it in Mexico, some for products made in China, etc. It is impossible to anticipate all future repercussions. But these repercussions are in the FUTURE. Repercussions are also of diminishing magnitude.
The large, current, certain impact of Mexicans working in America is reduced wages for the Americans with whom they compete. Anything else is obfuscation.
There is no such thing as a quote, Hispanic race, unquote.It is a strawman invented by so called liberals. That term has been applied to those from individual South American countries some of which have governments hostile to US and actually claim parts of this country as theirs, and others which are friendly. They are composed of various races as we are, with the difference being their primary common language is Spanish.
Besides flooding the labor market with cheap labor which reduces job opportunities for American citizens in a diminishing base. Highly infectious comunicable diseases are also pouring through this uncontrolled border creating serious health problems.
This destructive utopian Mexican open border approach of even considering granting those who enter the US illegally through it. Entitlement to all benefits beyond those of what we give to our citizens destroys the value of an American citizenship. It is being promoted by the name callers mostly in socialist circles such as the democrat party as well some republicans who use such terms as nativist promoting racial division .
What we should be doing is taking a very very hard look at our relationship with Mexico along with trade and its myriad misstreatment of Americans as 3rd class citizens and its claims on American territory . There is no doubt there are hundreds of complaints, if not thousands, from American citizens who have retired there. Along with travelers running to American consulates about conditions that are going unreported because of this Mexican policy
While we are expected to allow Mexican citizens enter to our country illegally and offer them preferential treatment over our citizens allowing them to purchase land in their own name and and even voting privledges which they cannot do if they choose to retire in Mexico.
The leading Republican candidates and that includes Trump may mention some of this but thus far have refused to identify the problem let alone properly redress it by suggesting or implementing reciprocity.
Since the Mexicans are permitting foreigners transit through their country for illegal entry into ours. Any person entering illegally through that open border whether a bona fide citizen of Mexico or not should be treated as if they were a Mexican and tossed back to Mexico and let Mexico deal with them. Illegals should be offered the same rights as Americans. No property ownership and voting rights let alone access to the multitude of costly programs comm9ng out of US taxpayer pockets.
If reciprocity were implemented there would be no need to worry about who will pay for walls or border fences.Illegals would leave on their own accord . And the value of being an American citizen restored.
To be more clear, if immigration was in terms of a few thousands per year, aimed at people who admire the US and want to be Americans, and who bring skills with them, and are able to contribute to the society, then there would be no net cost to the country. In fact, you could make the case that they were a net positive. We have always taken that view in this country, that immigration was a good thing.
On the other hand, if you are talking about 2 million people a year, many who have no particular skills, no particular love for the country, no interest in contributing or integrating into the society, no understanding of what it means to be an American, then no. Millions per year over decades mean huge demographic shifts with no benefit.
Immigration policy should always benefit the citizens. There is no human right to come to the US, the only people who should be allowed to come are people who admire us and want to be us, and have something to offer. And they should only be admitted in numbers that can be integrated and assimilated.
More immigration is more dem voters, more on welfare, and more ‘white GOPe guilt’.
Therefore, minimum wage goes up.
So, more immigration is higher wages.
See. I listened to Bern, Hell, and Anomaly. My mind is right.
In the abstract, sure.
However, that’s not the issue. The issue is all the jobs that have been shipped overseas and all the jobs taken by illegals.
Both of those are far worse.
Economics 101
Flood a market with labor, what happens?
-—Well you also have to consider that the immigrants earning wages then become consumers who spend that money, which adds demand to the economy, so it’s not quite as clear-cut as you say.——
You answered the wrong question...
it’s a simple supply and demand question...you response is a typical lib response...
More workers than demand drives down wages...
we could in theory have 0 unemployment...just pay everyone out of work 5 dollars an hour, putting a little cash into people’s pockets and increasing demand...which have zero effect on growth...
demand does not grow an economy very fast, when it’s staple items you buy to survive...
innovation and enterprise grows an economy and good paying jobs which move people up on the economic ladder...
Obvious, isn’t it? If I fire half my employees to hire buck-an-hour illegal aliens, wages are certainly down at my company (which is my little analog “country” in this narrative). And what benefit is it to the larger economy if employees as a whole have less to spend, while fired employees lucky enough to find work must work for half wages, and many of the others (plus their kids who are unaccustomed to their new impoverished lifestyles) give up or turn to petty crime, drugs and alcoholism? Illegal immigration is a tide of misery oozing across our southern border and it’s been going on too long.
Much of this is a rather disingenuous approach to macro studies. There are so many confounding variables in macro that there really isn’t a way to tease out any effect that’s so specific. It’s also telling that the study period selected is 1980-2000, when median incomes were mostly consistently increasing, along with immigration, making collinearity a problem. Micro studies are very different.
In my little town in 1990 a good carpenter could get $15 per hour and there was not an illegal alien to be found. In 2000 this town was flooded with illegal aliens, mostly working construction, and a good carpenter would be lucky to get a job at $10 per hour.
That’s a pretty significant drop in wages if you ask me.
According to ObaMao, any such discussion would be called “Republican Economic Theory.” We tried it before and it doesn’t work. < / sarcasm >
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