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Concealed Weapons Bill Gets Committee's Blessing (Wisconsin)
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| 10/13/2003
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Posted on 10/13/2003 8:24:12 PM PDT by Monitor
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10/13/2003 8:24:12 PM PDT
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10/13/2003 8:29:24 PM PDT
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posted on
10/14/2003 6:22:54 AM PDT
by
Joe Brower
("Man has only those rights he can defend.")
To: Monitor
22 hours of training?!
To: Beelzebubba
22 hours of training?!I have no idea where the urban legend of "22 hours of training" started, and neither does the bill's author, but the idiots in the press keep repeating it. While the bill does specify that training is required, the length of that training is not specified.
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posted on
10/14/2003 12:32:58 PM PDT
by
Monitor
To: Monitor
Private business, churches, and homeowners would be able to prohibit concealed weapons Hopefully they will go the Missouri or Florida route on this instead of the Texas route.
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posted on
10/15/2003 6:14:47 PM PDT
by
Mulder
(Fight the future)
To: Monitor
Monitor:
You may want to find a copy of AB675 from last year. I do remember that at one point there was a 22 hour training stipulation brought up, however it was not on the Senate bill, could have been generated in the House of Representatives, which is possible because AB675 was not an exact duplication of SB357-just a different version with different priorities.
To: Jessica Rabbit
Update:
I think I know where the 22 hour information comes from. In AB675 it specified that the person who is applying for a concealed carry licence must "successfully completed one of several specified firearm training or safety courses"
In Section 8 of AB675, they list a couple examples of accepted courses, one of which states NRA firearms training. Depending on which course or courses they find acceptable, the time could amount to 22 hours.
The Basic Pistol course is 10 hours plus a 3 hour orientation.
The Personal Protection course is 12 hours.
Eventhough the use of NRA curriculum was not mandatory, the other alternatives which were specified could possibly reach the 22 hour mark depending on the trainer, organization, etc.
The 22 hour stipulation is not specified in either bills, however can be inferred by the type of training involved as well as who is doing the training.
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posted on
10/18/2003 10:12:39 AM PDT
by
Jessica Rabbit
(AR-15, the ultimate in Feminine Protection)
To: Jessica Rabbit
The 22 hour stipulation is not specified in either bills, however can be inferred by the type of training involved as well as who is doing the training.That may very well be the source of the confusion. However, those two courses are $125 a throw, and I doubt very much if anyone will take both courses when taking only one of them - literally - fits the bill.
The price is precisely the reason why I looked into the "22 hour" requirement. All I could find offered were those two NRA classes, one 10 hours, the other 12, and both $125 each. That seemed so steep a price that I decided to go through the actual legislation to see a) if that 22 hour requirement was true, and b) to see if there was a cheaper alternative (which there is).
The way the legislation is written, I could conceivably take the WI DNR Hunter Safety course given each fall at the local police station (which is free), satisfying the gun safety training requirement.
Having already participated in an NRA high power rifle course put on by Jim Owens, and having shot F-Class in an NRA sanctioned high power match, I might already have met the "training" requirements, according to the legislation. And, I plan on participating in an IDPA match, which does include range and gun safety lessons prior to the match, which also may meet the "training" requirements.
Even so, I'd opt for the NRA's Personal Protection course, even if it is $125, because it would cover more than just gun safety - it would cover the laws applicable to self defense and defense of others.
But if there was a waiting list for the NRA course, I'd try to get my CCW using my other "training" experiences, and take the NRA course at a later date.
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posted on
10/18/2003 10:57:22 AM PDT
by
Monitor
To: Monitor
Unfortunatly, Gov. Doyle (D) has already promised to Veto any concealed carry that comes about. Supporters probably don't have enough to override the veto.
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posted on
10/18/2003 11:01:06 AM PDT
by
codercpc
To: codercpc
Supporters probably don't have enough to override the veto.That depends on who is present when the override vote is taken. Only 2/3 of those PRESENT need vote yes to override the veto.
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posted on
10/18/2003 11:38:40 AM PDT
by
Monitor
To: Monitor
Let's hope we get that 2/3. That'll be sweet!!!
Any idea when all this will come to a head? I still remember listening to the Senate the night SB357 went down in flames....still ticks me off. (I have the audio saved on my computer-need to listen to it every once and a while to fuel the flames)
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10/18/2003 12:29:36 PM PDT
by
Jessica Rabbit
(AR-15, the ultimate in Feminine Protection)
To: Monitor
Does anyone have the detail on the ammendments that were added to the bill last week?
To: Jessica Rabbit
Any idea when all this will come to a head?From an email I recently received from Senator Zien:
Senate Bill 214, the Personal Protection Act, passed our committee on Monday, October 13 by a vote of 3-2. The bill now awaits action by the full Senate. We expect to have a Senate floor debate on SB 214 on Wednesday, October 22.
That's this coming Wednesday!
From Dick Baker of The Wisconsin Concealed Carry Association:
A large turnout of gunowners in the gallery will help put pressure on those senators who claim to be pro-gun. Nothing makes a legislator's heart pound harder than seeing scores of registered voters watching him vote.
If at all possible, please try to make it to the Capitol on Wednesday. The gallery is on the third floor. Use the South elevators. The bill should come up sometime after noon. If you arrive early, use that time to visit your legislators' offices to tell them to vote for the bill and for the veto override.
I'm going to try to be there. I could use some company.
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posted on
10/18/2003 2:18:04 PM PDT
by
Monitor
To: Ronaldus Magnus
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posted on
10/18/2003 2:19:30 PM PDT
by
Monitor
To: Monitor
Thanks for the link. I wish I could be there Wednesday but I will be out of the state on business. Please let me know if there is anything else you know of that I can do.
To: codercpc
Unfortunatly, Gov. Doyle (D) has already promised to Veto any concealed carry that comes aboutTime to recall another one
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posted on
10/18/2003 11:10:35 PM PDT
by
paul51
To: Ronaldus Magnus
Please let me know if there is anything else you know of that I can do.Call your Legislators and tell them to vote Yes on the Personal Protection Act concealed carry bill (Senate Bill 214, Assembly Bill 444). And join the NRA.
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posted on
10/19/2003 12:19:56 AM PDT
by
Monitor
To: Monitor
Call your Legislators ... And join the NRA. Done and done. Are there any plans for contacting the governor in mass or maybe a "No Veto Rally"?
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