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To: pgyanke
pgyanke wrote:
Ok... what system of governance would you prefer?






I like the one we have.

Reality: American law and heritage was built on a foundation of republican values, many of which predate those of your religion, and many that were developed outside of any specific religious venue..
Ideed, you don't have to be republican to participate (that's part of our values), -- but we sure don't want to see our system changed to another by your ignorance!

8 posted on 10/14/2003 7:58:03 AM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: tpaine
"If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants." -- William Penn

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"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on which our government has been founded and its rights asserted." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

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"[I]t is the sincere desire of the writer [Noah Webster] that our citizens should early understand that the genuine source of correct republican principles is the Bible, particularly the New Testament or the Christian religion.

The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and his apostles, which enjoins humility, piety and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free Constitutions of Government.

The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.... All the miseries and evils which men suffer from, vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.

When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, just men who will rule in the fear of God. The preservation of a republican government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; if the citizens neglect their duty and place unprinciped men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good, so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be squandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. Intriguing men can never be safely trusted." -- Noah Webster, "History of The United States", 1832

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"The rights of the colonists as Christians...may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church, which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament." -- Samual Adams

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"The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature by the hand of the Divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power." -- Alexander Hamilton

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"The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained." -- George Washington, Inaugural Address, 1789

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"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." -- John Adams, Signing the Constitution, 1798

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"It must be acknowledged that the term republic is of very vague application in every language... Were I to assign to this term a precise and definite idea, I would say purely and simply it means a government by its citizens in mass, acting directly and personally according to rules established by the majority; and that every other government is more or less republican in proportion as it has in its composition more or less of this ingredient of direct action of the citizens." -- Thomas Jefferson, 1816.

In this last quote, you find that the meaning of Republican government to our Founding Fathers was based on the will and values of the majority. Seeing as how this nation has ALWAYS been predominantly peopled by Christians, you can excuse us if we believe our values ruled the day. -- Me, now.

10 posted on 10/14/2003 11:59:28 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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