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To: N3WBI3
What a very sad attitude... You are free to feel that way but I can imagine when it is all said and done that such a self-absorbed life is rewarding..

There are a lot of men in this country who went the marriage route, myself included. And how were we rewarded? We were kicked out of our own homes, driven into bankruptcy by the woman we thought we could trust with the help of no fault divorce laws, greedy lawyers and "family" courts who absolutely hate men. Try having you life turn inside-out by all of those parties...oh and it gets better, especially when you see them use your own kids to do it to you. You get to lose most of your assets, a large chunk of your pre-tax income and you get to be a real parent to your kids four days a month. That last item cannot be replaced by ANY amount of money. You'll just have to forgive me if I'm not in a big hurry to put a loaded gun to my head again.

You want more families? Fine...get rid of the no-fault divorce laws and the state, local and federal governments out of the business of subsidizing and encourage the destruction of the family FIRST. Until then, whats left of the American institution of marriage isn't worth saving.

14 posted on 10/14/2003 11:17:32 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: Orangedog
Well said.

I've yet to hear of any person who won't marry or will leave his existing marriage because of some homosexual he doesn't even know exists.

But I can't even begin to count the men I've heard say they won't marry because of divorce laws. I met another one just yesterday.

15 posted on 10/14/2003 11:39:11 AM PDT by freeeee (Control freaks unite and pass more laws so we can all be free!!!)
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To: Orangedog
Well said.

I've yet to hear of any person who won't marry or will leave his existing marriage because of some homosexual he doesn't even know exists.

But I can't even begin to count the men I've heard say they won't marry because of divorce laws. I met another one just yesterday.

16 posted on 10/14/2003 11:39:40 AM PDT by freeeee (Control freaks unite and pass more laws so we can all be free!!!)
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To: Orangedog
Are we to believe that the only reason your wife kicked you out was that divorce laws were favorable? I agree with the rest of your statement but to put the blame on a law is foolish. What if you could never divorce? People would be forced to live their lives in miserable and often dangerous situations. Even with No-Fault divorce, it's not easy and most people don't choose it lightly. I'm going through it now and would have taken this route regaurdless of how difficult it was made.
18 posted on 10/14/2003 12:02:18 PM PDT by BubbaBasher (Diversity is something that should be overcome, not celebrated.)
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To: Orangedog
I agree the divorce laws need overhauling, however, reinstituting "fault" divorce is not the way to go.

On the most basic level, I don't want the government assigning "fault" and considering you think the government is "anti male" you shouldn't either. If there is a cultural bias against either party, then then judgements of "fault" can never be fair. It's just more of the same.

I a personal level, I don't want my tax money to fund court time for an endless he said/she said Jerry Springer show. This is just not a wise use of our courts.

Divorce is rarely about one person being at "fault". A failed marriage (just as any failed human relationship) is almost always about two or more parties falling out, or not living up to the expectations the other had of them. This is a two way street.

Take it out of marriage to look at it logically. Grandparents are now suing to have contact with their grandchildren when they do not get along with the children's parents. Should we have the government get involved in finding either the grandparents or the the parents at "fault" over their relationship breaking down? This makes no sense.

We need to get the government OUT of personal judgements as much as possible.
25 posted on 10/17/2003 12:51:10 PM PDT by Lorianne
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