[gore3000]

You're dancing around the point, which is that there certainly are cells which do not require seperate organelles, whether mitocondria or chloroplasts, to produce energy, for instance all procaryotes. Therefore your objection to the theory of a parasitic origin of mitochondria is not valid.

Of course it is - because whatever organism it was, already had to have a way to make energy to be alive. Mitochondria, like chloroplasts are not individual organisms any more than the the stomach or the lungs are individual organisms and not even evolutionists are stupid/dishonest enough to claim that stomachs and lungs were parasitic organisms.

[Stultis]

But your objection was that eucaryotes, or their ancestors, could not have acquired mitochondria at some point in time becuase they would have needed them to produce energy to begin with. That objection was not valid because many cells can and do produce energy without mitochondria (or chloroplast, or any other specialized organelles). If you have some new objection, we can consider it, but your first objection has been shot down. Whether you chose to acknowledge that or not is irrelevant.

[general_re]

(Lights fuse and throws into pond)

Mitochondria, like chloroplasts are not individual organisms...

Then why do they have their own DNA?