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[blam]

"On the local (FL.)news last week they reported that had found a skeleton, which was judged to be over 8000 years old. I have since heard no more concerning the find."

This is probably what you're talking about. Note that the original article is: Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida)

This is a follow-up to that article

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

[scouse]

Thanks for the links. I don't know why they were discussing it again last week.

[Wallace T.]

BibleTruth.org (independent Baptist) speculated that the Oriental peoples, and by extension, most of the Indians of the Western Hemisphere, are descended from Shem. Another Christian Web site, antioch.com.sg, argues a similar position, claiming that the Chinese are "Eastern Semites." They assume that the Chinese and other East Asians are descended from Joktan, one of the two sons of Eber, from whose name derives the term, Hebrew. Peleg, Eber's other son, has his descendants mentioned in the Bible, but Joktan's are not. An article by Paul Phelps, an American, indicates there is some evidence that the descendants of Joktan migrated to China and other parts of East Asia.

There are several similarities between the Chinese and the Hebrew calendars. Additionally, trade between the Noddle East and Far East was known to go back at least as far as the 7th Century BC. However, this does not explain the racial and linguistic differences that exist. It may, howver, explain why Chinese restaurants do well in Jewish neighborhoods!

[thatcher]

"I know that this nation that recognized that it is our HEAVENLY FATHER who gives "RIGHTS" not man or governments is the "BENCHMARK" that keeps those blessings upon US." ~ Just mythoughts

Amen!

[BikerTrash]

Stone of Destiny

[paleocon patriarch]

On November 15, 1996, the Stone of Destiny, on which Scottish kings had been crowned since time immemorial, was brought back to Scotland 700 years after the army of King Edward I of England carted it off to Westminster Abbey in London. Now safely ensconced in Edinburgh Castle, the 152 kg rock popularly known outside Scotland as the "Stone of Scone" has joined the other Scottish royal regalia -- crown, scepter, sword and jewels -- in a closely-guarded museum.

[jaybee]

Nope. It's in Edinburgh Castle. Saw it 2 weeks ago with on a trip with my son's school. They have it in the same room as the Scottish "crown jewels", I think called the "honors"

[Thinkin' Gal]

Interesting old thread. The author expects the reader to make several leaps of faith in order to accept the stone's origin.

Upon the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar, 2 Maccabees 2: 4-8 says that ancient records stated that Jeremiah had taken the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle and had hidden them in a cave on Mount Nebo.

While 1 Samuel 4-5 records the capture of the Ark by the Philistines, and its return, there is no mention of it being taken by the Babylonians, so the ancient record of the Ark being hidden must be correct.

Not exactly. There are several theories as to the location of the ark, citing various references. Besides, if the ark was intentionally hidden in a super-secret place, then why would ancient records plainly state its location?

More importantly, though, is the verse oft quoted in supposed reference to this throne:

Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

If the author's interpretation is correct, then how could he have explained verse 18?

Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
Jeremiah 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
Jeremiah 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness.
Jeremiah 33:17 For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;
Jeremiah 33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
Jeremiah 33:19 And the word of the LORD came unto Jeremiah, saying,
Jeremiah 33:20 Thus saith the LORD; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
Jeremiah 33:21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.
Jeremiah 33:22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.

Where are the continual burnt offerings?

Exactly.

Reading on, we can see that as day and night continue, so shall this covenant. Well, the Levitical sacrifices stopped so why should verse 17 mean that there must be a continual physically present reigning king? However, it does appear in the context that the Lord promised to preserve the lineage of David and that of the priests, regardless of their ability to perform these functions.

Ezekiel 37 decribes the day when the House of Judah and House of Israel are reunited, and "in that day",

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Ezekiel 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
Ezekiel 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

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I find these topics of immense interest, but when their foundational text just can't support the main premise, than this theory has a huge problem right out of the starting gate.

That said, the House of Israel and the House of Judah can be ID'd in modern times, hiding in plain sight, but the implications tend to scare or annoy people. It's easier just to mock or shoot the messenger, and associate him with the anti-semitic "identity" groups.

Ironically, the King James translation makes it look like there is no desire to have a descendant of David on the throne, or that there is no desire for the offerings to continue. "Want" = "lack", but I suppose it may not be all that incorrect to look at it both ways. As in, people preferring to do what is right in their own minds.

[Willowtree]

Hi Wallace:

Your post specifically dismisses Israelitish origins of the peoples of Great Britain based upon DNA evidence.

Your DNA evidence ASSUMES the British would have DNA matches/links with Jewish/Middle East DNA.

The Bible does not claim that all Israelites are Jews.

All Jews are Hebrews/Israelites but not all Hebrews/Israelites are Jews.

In lieu of this fact your DNA contentions that the British must possess Jewish/Middle East DNA in order to establish descendancy is erroneous.

I can heap a ton of Bible to support this claim but as it sits now I think it best to wait and review your clarification that should be forthcoming.

Best regards:

Willowtree

[Wallace T.]

The twelve tribes of Israel are descended from the twelve sons of Jacob. There is therefore a common ancestor on the patrilineal side. Anthropologists have been able to find common patrilineal ancestors among Jews with the last name of Cohen (or a variant thereof), who would presumably be descendants of Levi.

There is evidence of Near Eastern genes in western Europe, representing the genetic inheritance of early farmers who presumably emigrated from that region. There is nothing inconsistent between this fact and the Genesis narrative regarding the dispersal of the nations following the building of the Tower of Babel. This inheritance is strongest in the most isolated portions of western Europe, such as the Basque country of Spain and western Ireland. However, this inheritance is matrilineal. In the case of Ireland, where numerous waves of invaders (Celts, Vikings, Normans, English, Scots) landed, their genetic impact was most felt in the eastern areas of that country. The "Old European", Near Eastern origin haplotypes are less prevalent among the eastern Irish and Irish with Norman French (Fitzgerald, Burke), English (Cunningham, Robinson), or Scottish (Knox, Paisley) surnames. The genetic evidence is supplemented by the anthopological evidence that the eastern Irish are, on the whole, blonder and more Nordic looking than their western counterparts. (Irish-Americans are not the best examples of pure Irish types. Bing Crosby was one-half English; James Cagney was one-quarter Norwegian; G. Gordon Liddy is one-half Italian; Mariah Carey is part black.)

The Anglo-Israelite theory emphasizes the kinship between the ten lost tribes, who had a common patrilineal origin in Jacob, and the people of northwest Europe, specifically the Celtic and Germanic peoples. Generally speaking, these peoples overran earlier human settlements in Western Europe, some of whom had origins in the Near East, but from time frames well antedating the Babylonian captivity. The Italic peoples (among whom were the Latins), whose languages had considerable resemblances to the Celtic tongues, overran northern and central Italy around 1000 BC. However, there is no evidence of which I am aware that shows common patrilineal genetic patterns between the Jews or other Near Eastern peoples and population of northwest Europe.

The evidence suggests that the present inhabitants of northwest Europe has no patrilineal connections with the line of Jacob.