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Posted on 10/17/2003 8:53:28 PM PDT by blam
The Stone of Destiny
by Rev. Bertrand L. Comparet, A.B., J.D.
Bertrand L. Comparet was a native Californian, born in San Diego. He was graduated from Stanford University with the degree of Bachelor of Arts and Juris Doctor. He was admitted to the California Supreme Court or California Bar in 1926 and by the United States Supreme Court in 1956. From 1926 to 1932 he was a Deputy District Attorney in San Diego County and from 1942 to 1947 was Deputy City Attorney for the City of San Diego. Since that time he has been in private law practice. Pastor Bertrand L. Comparet started teaching in 1933 and continued for over 40 years. He returned to the Father in August of 1983. If you do an Internet search on "Bertrand Comparet" you will find many of his sermons."
In the Coronation Chair in Westminster Abbey in London is an oblong block of sandstone, upon which all of England's kings have been crowned for several centuries--and before that, the kings of Scotland, and before them the kings of Ireland. This is another bit of evidence of the identity of the Anglo-Saxon people as the Israel of the Bible, and that the House of David still rules over them.
The history of this stone begins in the 28th chapter of Genesis, where we read that Jacob camped overnight in a field, and for his pillow used a stone with his folded cloak over it. During the night, God appeared to him in a vision, and promised to give him the Land of Canaan. When Jacob awoke, he said, "this is the house of God," and named the place Beth-el, meaning "House of God." Then he took the stone he had used as his pillow and set it up as a monument, and dedicated it with an offering of oil. He promised that, if God would help him, "then shall the Lord be my God: and this stone which I have set for a monument shall be God's house."
In Genesis 34, God instructs him to go back to Bethel and set up an altar to God, which Jacob did. It was at this time that God changed Jacob's name to Israel; and Israel again set up and dedicated as a monument of witness the stone pillar which he had dedicated as "God's house." Its sacred character was now firmly established.
We next find mention of it in Genesis 49, when the aged Israel, before he dies, tells his 12 sons what will befall their respective descendants in the last days. Speaking of Joseph, he says, "From thence is the shepherd of the Stone of Israel." We should, therefore, expect to find the Stone in custody of the sons of Joseph in the last days. The English are the Tribe of Ephraim, descended from one of Joseph's sons. Its sacred character having been established, the stone would not be thereafter abandoned.
We next hear of it when the Children of Israel, in their exodus from Egypt, were facing death by thirst in the desert. God instructed Moses, "I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink"; thus they were saved from death. This miracle was repeated later, but this time Moses was instructed merely to speak to the rock, not strike it; because Moses disobeyed God and hit the rock in a "grandstand play" before the people, he was not allowed to enter the Promised Land. We must not think that this rock was merely the native rock cliffs of these desert places, for in 1 Corinthians 10: 1-4, Paul says "all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea ... and did all drink the same spiritual drink, for they drank of that spiritual Rock THAT FOLLOWED THEM, and that Rock was Christ. " That is, they were given water to drink from a rock which was carried along with them; and as Israel had said, "this stone which I have set up for a monument shall be God's house," so Christ hallowed it with His presence.
After Joshua had conquered the Promised Land and divided it among the 12 Tribes, he reminded them that they must ever be loyal to God, and he set up a stone as a monument of witness to this warning; the Hebrew says he took "the stone of greatness" --and what would that be, or what more fitting witness could there be, but the stone which was "God's house"?
Before God ever allowed Israel to have a king, the rebel Abimelech had himself crowned king beside this pillar or monument (Judges 9: 6). Later, when the lawful monarchy was established in the House of David, we find it was the custom that the king be crowned standing by the "pillar" or monument, for we read in 2 Kings 11: 12-14, "And he brought forth the king's son and put the crown upon him, and gave him the testimony; and they made him king, and annointed him; and they clapped their hands and said, God save the king. And when Athaliah heard the noise of the guard and of the people, she came to the people into the Temple of the Lord. And when she looked, behold, the king stood hy a pillar, as the manner was and the princes and the trumpeters by the king, and all the people of the land rejoiced. "
The Stone had become a sacred relic, a witness of the mutual promises of God and of the Children of Israel. It would be found close to the Temple and the throne. Upon the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians under Nebuchadnezzar, 2 Maccabees 2: 4-8 says that ancient records stated that Jeremiah had taken the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle and had hidden them in a cave on Mount Nebo.
While 1 Samuel 4-5 records the capture of the Ark by the Philistines, and its return, there is no mention of it being taken by the Babylonians, so the ancient record of the Ark being hidden must be correct. Along with the Ark, we may be sure that Jeremiah would also safely hide the sacred Witness Stone, "God's house," which had twice been used to give water to the people to save them from death, and which was now used in the coronation of the kings.
When I spoke to you on "What Jeremiah Planted," I told you how Jeremiah and the daughters of the last King of Judah, Zedekiah, were taken to Egypt with the refugees; but in order to fulfill God's prophecy that Jeremiah was also "to build and to plant," Jeremiah had to leave Egypt and take the princess to where another Israelite kingdom was then in existence--in Ireland. We know that with Jeremiah went Baruch, his scribe, and the king's daughter; and with the princess, he would also certainly take the hidden Stone upon which the kings were crowned.
The ancient Irish records record the coming of "the Great Prophet," "Brugh" his scribe (obviously Baruch), and the daughter of a king, about 583 B.C., which would be the correct date; and that with them they brought the "Wonderful Stone," or "Stone of Destiny." In one of our congregations is a woman whose family genealogy shows that one of their ancestors came to Ireland with Jeremiah, and that this ancestor's duty was that of custodian of the Stonel Tea Tephi, the king's daughter, married Eochaidh the Heremon, or Chief King, of Ireland.
The stone, called "Lia Fail" or "Stone of Destiny" was kept at the capital city of Tara for some three centuries, and all the kings, descendants of Eochaidh and Tea Tephi, were crowned on it. Then, about 350 B.C., it was sent to Scotland for the coronation of Fergus, King of Scots, who was a descendant of the Milesian kings of Ireland. It remained in Scotland, and all Scottish kings were crowned on it, until 1297 A.D. when King Edward I of England invaded Scotland and captured the Stone, which he took to England, where it was placed in Westminster Abbey, its home ever since that date. It was built into the Coronation Chair--the oldest piece of furniture in England still serving its original purpose--and all English kings have been crowned on it ever since.
Its origin was well known during the entire time it has been in the British Isles, and from practically the first it was called "Jacob's Stone. " William of Rislanger, writing in the 13th century, records the coronation of John de Baliol as King of Scotland in the year 1292 "upon the stone upon which Jacob placed his head. "
While the ten-tribed nation of Israel had to "abide many days without a king" as God prophesied in Hosea 3: 4, yet there must always be a royal family of David's line on the throne over some Israelite people, for God promised through Jeremiah (33: 17) that "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel."
We know that Eochaidh the Heremon was of the Milesian line of Kings of Ireland, and that the Milesians in Ireland were descendants of Zarah, a son of Judah; and that Tea Tephi was a descendant of David, who was also of the Royal Tribe of Judah through Judah's son, Pharez. So the two royal lines of Judah were united with the marriage of Eochaidh and Tea Tephi, and a descendant of David was always on the throne over Israelite people, as God had promised.
The Ark of the Covenant belonged in the Temple; and the Temple was not to be a continuous institution like the Throne of David; so it is not surprising that the Ark has disappeared from history, and probably will not be revealed again until Jesus Christ returns to reign upon the Throne of David, as is prophesied in Isaiah 9: 7.
But the Throne was to be a continuous throne (Jeremiah 33: 17); therefore, it is only logical that the Coronation Stone, which the Hebrews had called "The Stone of Majesty" and "The Pillar of Witness," should be found where the Throne of David had its continued existence. After all, it was "The Pillar of Witness" for it had been made witness to both Israel's promise to be God's People and God's promise to be their God. It should be there, as a witness that God always makes good His promises, and "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the Throne of the House of Israel."
Subsequent to the time when Dr. Comparet delivered the foregoing address, Mr. E. Raymond Capt, author of "The Glory of the Stars," "Great Pyramid Decoded," and other writings, stated that new evidence, recently discovered, indicates that the transfer of the throne of David from Palestine to Europe may have been accomplished in a different manner than what is commonly believed.
According to the older tradition, the daughters of Zedekiah were Tamar Tephi (known to her family and friends as Tea Tephi or Tea), and her younger sister, Scota; and this Tamar Tephi, or Tea, was married to Eochaidh in Ireland. The new evidence mentioned by Mr. Capt is discussed on pages 6465 of his book, "King Solomon's Temple," in which he quotes Ezekiel 17. 22, which says: "Thus saith the Lord God; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent." Mr. Capt then says: "This was fulfilled when Scota, King Zedekiah's daughter (the tender twig), was taken to Egypt by Jeremiah and then to Spain where she married 'ane Greyk callit Gathelus, son of Cecrops of Athens, King of Argives' (The Chronicles of Scotland by Hector Boece). In due time a son was born and was named 'Eochaidh' (Eremhon or King).
"There is a tradition that when Jeremiah brought Scota to Spain, he also brought the 'stone' upon which Jacob laid his head, at Bethel, when he had the vision of a ladder extending to heaven (Gen. 28: 12-19). This -was the 'stone' used as a Coronation Stone in Solomon's Temple. Second Kings 11: 11-14 tells of the anointing of a king, after which all the men around the king 'clapped their hands' and said, 'God save the King' while 'the king stood by a pillar, as the manner was, and the princes and the trumpeters by the kin ."
'From the 'Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters,' we find the following statement: 'Tea, the daughter of Loghaldh, son of Ith, whom Eremhon married in Spain was the Tea who requested of Eremhon a choice hill as her dower, in whatever place she should select it, that she might be interred therein. The hill she selected was Druimcaein, i.e. Teamhair (in Ireland)' (Vol. 1, pg. 31).
"This is only one of many historical records that place, not only Tea in Ireland, but her husband Eochaidh, 'the Heremon' (chief or King). At this same time there appeared, with Eochaidh (brought by Dedannans and set up at Tara as the inauguration stone of Irish Kings - Encyclopedia Britannica 14th ed.) a stone of red sandstone, a type found in Palestine. It had iron rings fastened at each end which could have been used for porter poles. The stone became known by the name 'Lia Fail' and 'Stone of Destiny.' It is not unlikely that Jacob's Stone and the 'Stone of Destiny' were one and the same. " By whatever course the throne of David may have been carried to Europe, it is nevertheless a fact that it was eventually transferred to Ireland, then Scotland, and then England.
It's now back in Scotland where it belongs.
You're correct...do you know anything else about it?
There are many websites with histories of the Stone of Scone, which is much more tangled then this article makes out. Here's one:
Also note that the current occupant of the English throne is a woman, as have been several of her predecessors.
...for God promised through Jeremiah (33: 17) that "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel."
Stone Of Destiny
Follow the link in post #7 and you'll see that it is, at the least, very old mystical nonsense. Due in part to the tin mines of Britain there was more commerce between it and the Mediterranean lands then you might imagine.
Another fine story is that Jesus Christ traveled to Britain before he took up his recorded ministry in Israel. William Blake referenced that legend in a poem complaining about the ugly factories springing up at the beginning of the industrial age. (For reasons I have never understood it became the school hymn of my high school in Colorado).
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the Countenance Divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?
Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
However, a Middle Eastern or Meditteranean racial element in the British Isles and extensive pre-Roman conntact between the two regions do not prove that the "Stone of Destiny" had anything to do with King David. Nor does it prove that the Celtic and Germanic peoples that have inhabited the British Isles for 1,500 to 2,500 years have substantial genetic or other ties to Israel or other parts of the Middle East. Most DNA measurements of the English people indicate that they are very genetically similar to the current inhabitants of northwest Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark, the areas from which the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes migrated from in the 5th and 6th Centuries AD. There are also considerable genetic similarities between the English and the three Celtic nations that occupy the remainder of the British Isles. There are also similarities to the Norwegians, the Belgians, and the northern French. On the other hand, there are far greater genetic differences between the English and either the Jews (whether Ashkenazic or Sephardic) or other Middle Eastern peoples. There are, OTOH, strong genetic similarities between the Jews and the Palestinians, Syrians, and the northern Iraqis, notably Kurds and Assyrians, as strong as those among the northwest Europeans. In other words, DNA measurement comport with mainstream history and not Anglo-Israelite theories. The linguistic patterns also support the mainstream histoic theory of strong ties among most European nations and considerable differences between them and the inhabitants of the Middle East, ancient or modern.
Anglo-Israelism, that is, the theory that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel somehow became the Germanic and Celtic peoples of northwest Europe, is of relatively recent origin, no older than the 18th Century. There is no Biblical support for this theory. Rather, mainstream Christian theology holds that the European peoples are decended from Japheth, while the Semitic peoples are descended from Shem. Indeed, even the "Ten Lost Tribes" theory is really but a figment. The Babylonian captivity broke up the tribal governments of the Israel of the judges and kings. However, there is evidence in the Epistles of Paul that people who were members of the ten tribes still identified with those tribes in the 1st Century AD. Although medieval kings and nobility attempted to embellish their heritage by claiming ties to King David (an ancestor of Jesus Christ), there is no more evidence for this than for the assertions of the Roman or Aztec emperors or Greek kings that they were descended from gods.
The weight of the evidence is on the side of the mainstream historians and theologians in this matter.
We used to have a FReeper named "LostTribe" (he was banned)who thought that the Northern Tribes that were hauled off by the Assyrians later appeared in Europe as the Celts and/or the Tribe Of Dan. ...And, there are some ancient folks in Ireland named the Tuatha De Danann and they were told to put their name 'DN' on everything. Danmark, Danube, Scandanavia, and many, many other names in Europe. Thoughts?
Name patterns only support a theory when backed up by other evidence. That Eastern New England place names have a high number of names in common with East Anglia, or the Shenandoah Valley with Northern Ireland, is significant only when we weigh other evidence, such as ship's logs, folk practices, family Bibles, etc., that indicate that the early settlers of New England mostly came from East Anglia and that a large number of the settlers of the Shenandoah Valley came from Northern Ireland.
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Good point...don't know .
First, not all Middle Easterners are Semitic. The ancient Persians spoke an Indo-European language and there is considerable evidence that indicates that at least the Persian aristocracy was generally European in appearance, as were the Aryan invaders of India. Even to this day, some high caste Indians, especially in that nation's north, could pass for Europeans. One of Paul's epistles was to the Galatians, a nation in what is now Turkey that was Celtic in origin. (FWIW, Kemel Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, had reddish blond hair and blue eyes.)
Second, the Middle Eastern genetic marker found in Europeans declines as you go from the continent's southeast (Bulgaria and Greece) to its northwest. The British Isles are in the extreme northwest of Europe, and thus would have the lowest frequency of this marker. This would not support Anglo-Israel suppositions about the origins of the Celtic and Germanic peoples.
Everything that we are came from somewhere, huh? Dan's name is really getting around. Someone brought all those 'Dan's' with them from somewhere, huh?
However, I have been doing a little research this morning and there is some reason to believe that this is a myth that the English used to demonize the Irish, since the Spanish were considered enemies for so many years.
I also found out that there are people who are called the "Black Dutch" who are believed to have descended from Sephardic Jews who fled to Holland during the Inquisition.
Interestingly, Celts in France also show the same two types...darker-haired "black" types as well as the red-haired, green-eyed variety.
This does not contribute greatly to the origin of the Stone of Scone, but does indicate that using physical characteristics is not really proof of anything.
Has anyone ever taken a small sample of the stone to see where the rock originated? I would imagine that a piece of sandstone could be traced back to its country of origin, given the geological records that are now on computer.
Yup, that seems so simple. My guess is that it has been done already and someone did not like the result...that's why we don't know that result, huh?
Maybe, I've read in a couple different places that the term 'black Irish' was used prior to that time. I've even read one guy who thinks that the term relates to a tribe of 'Bushmen' who were in Ireland in prehistory. The same guy speculates that these same folks were the source of the myth of Leprechauns...and, the Bushmen do have some traits and habits that are similar to the myths of the Leprechauns. Who knows?
Ryan & Pittman, in their book Noah's Flood (Salt water flooding of the fresh water Black Sea in 5600BC) , speculate that the regugees from this flood streamed up the river valleys feeding the Black Sea and spilled over and into Europe bring farming and the Indo-European language with them. I've taken the thought a bit further and speculate that these same refugees were the Aryan invaders of India and also the source of the 4,000 year old Caucasian mummies (up the Silk Road) found in the deserts of China.
Victor Mair, in his book The Tarim Mummies, has determined that the China mummies spoke the Indo-European language Tocharian A&B, an extinct language. The mummies wore tartan clothing associated with the Celts.
One of my posessions from my father is a book about the Arbroath Abbey (1178 AD)in Arboath Scotland. (He was born there) Much of the Declaration of Arbroath,(1320 AD) BTW, the basis for the US Declaration of Independance)
In 1957 the Stone was stolen (returned if your'e a Scot) from England to Scotland and missing for a number of months. I remember people asking my father where he thought the Stone might be. He responded each time he did not think he knew, He knew where it was. (But would not say)It was buried where it belonged; in the East end of the Abbey where the alter once was. And that's where they ultimately found it. Had the Brits known thier history they would have started looking there.
In this book, is a picture of the ruins of the Abbey; one of which shows the 'East end'. Handwritten near the pic is a note by the Administrator of the time (1960) noting with an X the exact location where it was eventually found, and the date. Not the date found, the date "received".
Of course, knowing untimately the Stone would be returned - you don't think the Scots would be dumb enough to let the real Stone be found and taken back. Many believe the Stome of Destinay never left Scotland from the 1957 date on. What WAS returned (legend has it) was a replica stone carved from one serving as a cover of a cesspool. The Scots in the know took great joy in knowing future coranations took place with Bristish royalty using the eqaivelent of a toilet seat, in their ceremony.
I'm not very religious so, a lot of the bibical things are unknown to me. My main interests are anthropology/archaeology but, they do cross paths with the religious from time to time.
There is likewise no reason to assume the occurrence of "Dan" or a variant thereof in various places in Europe is evidence of a connection with Israel or another area of the Middle East.
The "Black Irish" and the brunet populations in Britain cannot be explained by an event in the 16th Century that had minimal effect on the Irish gene pool and none on the British. Travellers from the Meditteranean in prehistoric, ancient, and medieval times and pre-Celtic and pre-Germanic inhabitants of the British Isles are more likely the reason for the dark appearance of a few English, some Scots and Irish, and many Welsh.
Yeah, I recognize that I'm not making a good argument and no proof, I think a person schooled in linguistics would understand a possible connection. In a few years DNA will solve all the riddles
I find this almost unbelieveable.
Presumably the trip from the Middle East to Ireland would have been by sea...Maersk Lines or such, ahem.