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I would really like to hear your comments on whether you believe this or not and anything you may know that is associated with "The Stone Of Destiny."
1 posted on 10/17/2003 8:53:29 PM PDT by blam
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thanks for posting this!
I have read many of Comparet's writings and they are very thought provoking and interesting.
I am not enough of a historian to say much about the Stone of Destiny though.
2 posted on 10/17/2003 9:03:30 PM PDT by millefleur
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In the Coronation Chair in Westminster Abbey in London is an oblong block of sandstone.....

It's now back in Scotland where it belongs.

3 posted on 10/17/2003 9:04:23 PM PDT by ALASKA (That's my own personal, correct opinion and I'm going with it!)
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This is the first I've heard of any of this. I don't know of any early commentaries on the Bible that suggest anything like this, or any early stories such as the grail legend.

There is an interesting argument that the Ark of the Covenant is now in Ethiopia. You can find the story at http://www.crisismagazine.com/julaug2002/feature2.htm. I find that theory at least plausible. But a biblical ancestry for the Stone of Scone strikes me as wildly implausible. I've never heard anything to suggest it. Unless someone has evidence to the contrary, it sounds like a very recent invention, a bit of late 19th century or early 20th century mystical nonsense probably.
5 posted on 10/17/2003 9:10:09 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Note that the Stone of Scone has been returned to Scotland, to be lent to England for future coronations.

There are many websites with histories of the Stone of Scone, which is much more tangled then this article makes out. Here's one:
http://www.tartans.com/articles/stoneofscone.html

Also note that the current occupant of the English throne is a woman, as have been several of her predecessors.

...for God promised through Jeremiah (33: 17) that "David shall never lack a man to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel."

7 posted on 10/17/2003 9:12:53 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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bump
11 posted on 10/17/2003 9:35:26 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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There was contact between the British Isles and the Middle East in Old Testament times. Tin and other metals, including gold, were mined in Wales, Cornwall, and other parts of the British Isles and shipped to the trading cities of the Mediterranean. Phoenician writings refer to Britain and Ireland as the Tin Isles. It is also possible some Middle Easterners populated the area. DNA testing indicates some genes that apparently originated in the Middle East among the British. Perhaps this would explain the "Black Irish," the "Ould Black Breed" of Scotland, and the rather swarthy complexions of many Welsh. Look at Rowan Atkinson (English), Colin Farrell (Irish), Sean Connery (Scottish), and Catherine Zeta-Jones (Welsh), and note their generally Mediterranean appearance.

However, a Middle Eastern or Meditteranean racial element in the British Isles and extensive pre-Roman conntact between the two regions do not prove that the "Stone of Destiny" had anything to do with King David. Nor does it prove that the Celtic and Germanic peoples that have inhabited the British Isles for 1,500 to 2,500 years have substantial genetic or other ties to Israel or other parts of the Middle East. Most DNA measurements of the English people indicate that they are very genetically similar to the current inhabitants of northwest Germany, the Netherlands, and Denmark, the areas from which the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes migrated from in the 5th and 6th Centuries AD. There are also considerable genetic similarities between the English and the three Celtic nations that occupy the remainder of the British Isles. There are also similarities to the Norwegians, the Belgians, and the northern French. On the other hand, there are far greater genetic differences between the English and either the Jews (whether Ashkenazic or Sephardic) or other Middle Eastern peoples. There are, OTOH, strong genetic similarities between the Jews and the Palestinians, Syrians, and the northern Iraqis, notably Kurds and Assyrians, as strong as those among the northwest Europeans. In other words, DNA measurement comport with mainstream history and not Anglo-Israelite theories. The linguistic patterns also support the mainstream histoic theory of strong ties among most European nations and considerable differences between them and the inhabitants of the Middle East, ancient or modern.

Anglo-Israelism, that is, the theory that the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel somehow became the Germanic and Celtic peoples of northwest Europe, is of relatively recent origin, no older than the 18th Century. There is no Biblical support for this theory. Rather, mainstream Christian theology holds that the European peoples are decended from Japheth, while the Semitic peoples are descended from Shem. Indeed, even the "Ten Lost Tribes" theory is really but a figment. The Babylonian captivity broke up the tribal governments of the Israel of the judges and kings. However, there is evidence in the Epistles of Paul that people who were members of the ten tribes still identified with those tribes in the 1st Century AD. Although medieval kings and nobility attempted to embellish their heritage by claiming ties to King David (an ancestor of Jesus Christ), there is no more evidence for this than for the assertions of the Roman or Aztec emperors or Greek kings that they were descended from gods.

The weight of the evidence is on the side of the mainstream historians and theologians in this matter.

13 posted on 10/17/2003 9:39:46 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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Good post!
27 posted on 10/17/2003 11:54:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Couldn't prove it by me but it seems plausible.

Stranger things have happened. And there appears to be plenty of confirming evidence from multiple sources.
28 posted on 10/18/2003 3:46:07 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT the lying, deceptive, satanic, commie, leftist, globalist oligarchy 1 friend, assoc at a time)
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Could this explain that blessing given to Joseph, he got a double blessing?

Might even go a step to explaining why Christ told the disciples to go first to the "lost sheep" of the house of Israel.

Interesting what that it was King James that saw to it that the common man, each individual had access to written word.

Now Ezekiel 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until He come Whose right it is; and I will give it Him.

How many times has that Stone of Destiny been overturned to date?






29 posted on 10/18/2003 4:03:25 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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The Christian Identity movement (one of the most virulently racist movements in the U.S.) advocates the idea that the Hebrews of the Bible were Aryans and the Jews are simply "mud people" who've usurped the Aryans' proper place in the world. Now I know where this twisted version of history originated. Thanks.
32 posted on 10/18/2003 4:25:13 AM PDT by Junior (Kinky is using a feather. Sick is using the whole chicken.)
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I would really like to hear your comments on whether you believe this or not and anything you may know that is associated with "The Stone Of Destiny.

One of my posessions from my father is a book about the Arbroath Abbey (1178 AD)in Arboath Scotland. (He was born there) Much of the Declaration of Arbroath,(1320 AD) BTW, the basis for the US Declaration of Independance)

In 1957 the Stone was stolen (returned if your'e a Scot) from England to Scotland and missing for a number of months. I remember people asking my father where he thought the Stone might be. He responded each time he did not think he knew, He knew where it was. (But would not say)It was buried where it belonged; in the East end of the Abbey where the alter once was. And that's where they ultimately found it. Had the Brits known thier history they would have started looking there.

In this book, is a picture of the ruins of the Abbey; one of which shows the 'East end'. Handwritten near the pic is a note by the Administrator of the time (1960) noting with an X the exact location where it was eventually found, and the date. Not the date found, the date "received".

Of course, knowing untimately the Stone would be returned - you don't think the Scots would be dumb enough to let the real Stone be found and taken back. Many believe the Stome of Destinay never left Scotland from the 1957 date on. What WAS returned (legend has it) was a replica stone carved from one serving as a cover of a cesspool. The Scots in the know took great joy in knowing future coranations took place with Bristish royalty using the eqaivelent of a toilet seat, in their ceremony.

37 posted on 10/18/2003 9:59:57 AM PDT by Swanks
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Stone of Destiny
65 posted on 04/30/2004 11:34:23 AM PDT by BikerTrash (Enough already with the carnival freak show...bring back COOL!)
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