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Kerry, Lieberman urge ouster of Army officer
Boston Globe ^ | 10/18/2003 | Raja Mishra

Posted on 10/18/2003 6:09:36 AM PDT by RJCogburn

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:10:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Two Democratic presidential candidates speaking before an Arab-American audience yesterday called on the Bush administration to dismiss a high-ranking Army official for claiming that Muslims did not worship a "real God."

Senators John F. Kerry of Massachusetts and Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut condemned the words of Lieutenant General William Boykin, the officer leading the hunt for Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Boykin told evangelical Christian audiences that God was on the side of America's war on terrorism and said that Muslims worship an "idol." The comments were made public in a report aired on NBC News this week.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; christianpersecution; enemy; kerry; lieberman; williamboykin
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To: mountaineer
A religion, by the way, that teaches its adherents to kill everyone who isn't of the same religion. That means you, too, Ketchup Boy.

An excellent point. I suggest we sent the 9 dwarves to Pakistan. There they can walk about, unarmed, and tell all they meet how much they respect the dominant "religion of peace". They'll end up like that bear-loving wacko in Alaska, who used to go up to wild grizzlies and say, "I love you". His last words, recorded on tape, begged his girlfriend to do something to stop the bear from eating him. Alas, the girlfriend was the second course.

I think the General was wrong - not so much in what he said, as in saying it. I learned at an early age it is sometimes better to remain silent, and punch hard! The General's comments have given terrorists a stick to beat America with. He would have been wiser to let his actions speak for themselves. IMHO.

41 posted on 10/18/2003 8:59:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: OpusatFR
Wasn't this guy speaking to his own congregation in his church?
Yes, but he was wearing his uniform when he said these words. This is the grounds for their criticism of him.
42 posted on 10/18/2003 9:26:20 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: poet
God has blessed you with a knowledge on how to use words.
BTW, you need not to be flamed.
The truth sometimes hurts.

May you be Blessed even more, along with these United States of America!!!

For WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!

May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob make Himself known to His people in Isreal!!! And the world!

Without the moral fortitude to STAND STRONG there will be little change in the hearts of our Republican party.
So I will work like crazy to change what I can!

And also.......
I will simply say.......

Come Lord Jesus, Come!
43 posted on 10/18/2003 10:02:40 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim
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To: RJCogburn
Kerry . . . called Boykin's words "un-American,"

Somebody should look into this, Senator, maybe a House Committee on Un-American Activities?

44 posted on 10/18/2003 10:32:22 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: RJCogburn
In the 1992 election, Bill Clinton got 75% of the secularist vote, while the current President's father received support from traditionalists (church-goers) by 2 to 1. That pattern held in the 2000 election. "In terms of their size and party loyalty," Messrs. Bolce and De Maio argue, "secularists today are as important to the Democratic party as another key constituency, organized labor."

The Democratic Party: Home of the Non-Religious Left
Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, October 17, 2003 | DANIEL HENNINGER

Journalists evidently covered the general's speech and published his remark for the purpose of persecuting him for his religious belief. The other Democrats, the ones running for POTUS, have picked up that opportunity to criticize a Christian. That plays to the Democratic base, and may be necessary to win the nomination, but the sentiment is also inherently unconstitutional for a POTUS to act on-- no less so than requiring a general to be a Christian would be. Can the Colonels also be required to not be Christians? The Lieutenants? The Sergents? The Privates? And would it matter that the Christian soldier happened to be black?

Where, precisely, do these nonsense-talkers think to find a reliable American military, if atheistic Democrats (who don't have much tendency to become officers, as Gore implicitly acknowledged by trying to suppress the military absentee vote in Florida) are to constitute the entire pool of qualified officers?

The unspoken conceit that Islamacism is a monster which will eat atheists (or, in Lieberman's case, Jews!) last is laughable. What must happen instead is that the American military model First Amendment freedom of religion for Iraq, making no effort to persecute moslems but exerting influence for religious freedom for Iraq's minorities, not excluding its Christians. Such a polity established in Iraq would represent a defeat for Islamicism and for the atheistic Democratic Party.

Democrats love "The First Amendment" as they pretend it to be (with a "wall of seperation" to suppress religion), and actually loathe the First Amendment in its concrete form. They want to establish atheism or at least agnosticism as the religion of the state, they want to establish journalism as infallible when speaking ex cathedra. In short they think contrary opinions to theirs are to be suppressed as "racist" or some such.

45 posted on 10/18/2003 11:28:24 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Ann Archy
An Orthodox Jew who does nothing more than exercise the rights and liberties of this nation DOES NOT cause an increase in anti-semitism.

On the other hand, it is known that Jews who behave like other free men and women usually anger the anti-semites!

The enemy of freedom is the anti-semite, not the Jew who might act as if he were as free as anybody!

46 posted on 10/18/2003 2:40:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Clara Lou
Whether he was in uniform or standing there naked, it was in his own church among his fellow believers. There is no basis in America for criticizing Boykin
47 posted on 10/18/2003 2:45:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
There is no basis in America for criticizing Boykin

That is, apart from the fact that he was one of the soldiers chosen by A-G Reno's Justice dept. to plan the assault on the Davidian complex at Waco.

48 posted on 10/18/2003 3:56:53 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Conscience is the little voice inside of you that says someone might be watching" HL Mencken)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Being "chosen by" is a tad different than "volunteering for" like one of the Dem candidates did.

Still, within the context of the discussion none of that matters ~ we were discussing his religious beliefs, not those of Billzo's cousin, David Koresh.

49 posted on 10/18/2003 4:28:06 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LadyPilgrim
Thanks for your kind words.

Here's something I wrote about Israel with a bit of Revelation thrown in:

Israel

A beacon in a sea of darkness,
a contrast from utter starkness,
holding a special place in history,
traveled by the magnificent man of mystery,

It is where it all began,
special is that blessed land,
built by the Creator’s hand,
beauty springing from the sand,

But this beacon of light,
must continue to fight,
the forces of darkness,
because of the utter starkness

Many battles will be fought,
many terrors will be wrought,
a plan of peace will be bought,
which will be all for naught,

It will be for seven years,
after three, there will be tears,
the people will know great fear,
only then will it become clear,

That it has all been written,
Israel will be smitten,
by the armies from the east,
the armies of the Beast,

But, those who remain in their Faith,
will have a shorter wait,
before long, Yahweh will act,
His Angels will counter-attack,

The armies will be driven back,
discovering their great lack,
as their blood will flow,
soon they will know,

That the Savior is on His way,
He will win the day,
those dressed in a white robe,
will be blessed, as was Job

Copyright Cc) 2002 By John J. Lindsay. All Rights Reserved
April 24, 2002


50 posted on 10/18/2003 5:06:49 PM PDT by poet
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To: muawiyah
He needs to shut up about a Christian speaking about his religion....PERIOD!! I don't see ANY Christians yelping about Jews practicing their religion!
51 posted on 10/18/2003 8:01:12 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: RJCogburn
Jews say antiSemitism is on the rise...I'm giving just one reason why that might be....along with taking Christmas signs away from Christians in the public arena.
52 posted on 10/18/2003 8:03:23 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy
The worst part of it was, in fact, Lieberman wanting to take his jackbooted thugs into a Sunday school class and crush dissident thought concerning the legitimacy of Islam.

That's probably pretty much what happened in Spain as little kingdoms moved from one side to the other. In the end, the organized Jewish affinity for kowtowing to the Moslems was a mistake. They were expelled along with remaining practicing Moslems!

Over the centuries, this position has been reconsidered and rejected. It was replaced with a forthright Zionist point of view which holds that Jews need not lick Islam's boots.

Lieberman would seem to be out of synch with modern Jewish thought on the matter.

53 posted on 10/18/2003 8:07:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I'm not sure, but I believe that the Muslims were within sight of Vienna when the Christians FINALLY stopped them......oh, those HIDEOUS Crusades!!! If it weren't for the Christian Knights, we would all be praying to Allah .....eek!
54 posted on 10/18/2003 8:19:13 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Ann Archy
Captain John Smith (of Jamestown) learned Turkish while a prisoner of war. Since it was widely rumored that Turkish could be used in the Americas, he was chosen to head up the colony. Presumably he was prepared to negotiate with the natives.

That's a full half a millenium AFTER the Crusades!

55 posted on 10/19/2003 7:03:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Ann Archy
Oh, yes, forgot ~ if the Chaldean Church had become dominant in Christianity (rather than Rome and Byzantium), you would be calling God, Allah anyway.
56 posted on 10/19/2003 7:04:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RJCogburn
General Boykin has every right to give his opinion just as Lieberman did while running for VP, he talked about 'his' God quite a bit.

Call the White House comment line or e-mail the President - to stand behind his General. Then read this and pass it on.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidlimbaugh/dl20031017.shtml

57 posted on 10/19/2003 7:13:03 AM PDT by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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To: jordan8
"Kerry . . . called Boykin's words "un-American,"

Good Lord, and this isn't? Kennedy's remarks about war motivations hit a new low... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003488/posts

If you do nothing else this morning do this...!http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1002647/posts

58 posted on 10/19/2003 7:19:18 AM PDT by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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