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It's Final: Most lost jobs gone for good, analysts say
AP ^ | October 19, 2003

Posted on 10/19/2003 4:49:59 AM PDT by sarcasm

More than 3,100 pairs a day, three seconds under the needle for each pair - Judy Peavler was good at her job, stitching flies and zippers into Wrangler jeans.

At roughly $9.50 an hour, plus benefits, the job was good to Peavler, too.

So when VF Corp.of Greensboro cut hours at its jeans factory in Okmulgee, Okla., a few years ago, Peavler waited three months for business to bounce back. Now, though, she is certain the job is gone for good.

"My Dad used to preach to me to find a decent job and marry it -- don't move around and around like he did," said Peavler, whose husband, Roy, also worked at the plant before it closed in April. "So I took his advice ... but it didn't do me any good."

More workers like Peavler are finding themselves in similar straits in a labor market that is behaving very differently from its behavior in past economic cycles. In past downturns, employers cut large numbers of jobs in temporary layoffs, then called many workers back once a recovery began.

But although the economy continues to rebound, most of the 2.7 million jobs lost since early 2001 won't be coming back, analysts said.

In many cases, companies are cutting jobs and limiting hiring because of structural changes in their businesses and the broader economy.

Some of it is beyond companies' control, as demand for certain products and services dries up permanently. But employers also are limiting or cutting jobs by squeezing more productivity out of existing workers, sometimes by using additional technology. Many companies have cut jobs by outsourcing work to firms and facilities overseas.

"More and more employers are seeing the downturn in demand as an opportunity or a mandate to make permanent changes, to position themselves to be competitive when demand comes back," said Erica Groshen, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Such permanent job cuts were not nearly as prevalent in past economic downturns, Groshen and a colleague, Simon Potter, concluded in a recent report.

In most past recessions, temporary layoffs accounted for 30 percent to 40 percent of the rise in unemployment, the pair found. Employers often helped workers to apply for unemployment insurance, kept in contact and called them back when business picked up.

Since those jobs cuts were reversible, they helped the labor market rebound quickly as the economy found its legs. That explains situations like one in September 1983, when the economy added more than 1 million jobs in a single month.

But that began to change in the early 1990s - during the so-called "jobless recovery" - when employers sent a larger share of workers home without any plans to call them back.

It is even more pronounced during the current economic cycle, with temporary layoffs accounting for just 7 percent of the rise in unemployment, Groshen and Potter found. With companies dismissing workers permanently, the kick-start provided by past callbacks from temporary layoffs is not happening this time around.

"In this recession and recovery, we had layoffs but no recalls and I blame that on structural problems, which means we shouldn't expect a rebound in employment any time soon," said Sung Won Sohn, an economist with Wells Fargo & -- Co. in Minneapolis.

Although the recovery began nearly two years ago, the economy has lost 1 million jobs since that time.

When employers added 57,000 new positions to payrolls in September, it marked the first increase in employment since January, even as the percentage of adults with jobs once again dropped.

It's not just that the economy is slow to create jobs. The bottom line for workers is that many of the jobs that will eventually be created will be very different from the positions they held before.

Workers like Peavler have begun trying to position themselves for that change. Peavler is 35 and worked at the VF plant for more than 10 years. Paid by the piece, she averaged about $9.50 an hour, good enough that she expected to stay in the job as long as she could.

But since 2001, VF has been closing U.S. plants and focusing production in Central America amid lagging demand for its jeans and stiff price competition.

The company has closed plants in Coalgate and Prague, Okla., as well as the one where the Peavlers worked not far from their home in Henryetta.

Later this fall, VF will close plants in Seminole and Ada, Okla., bringing to nearly 1,300 the number of jobs it has eliminated across the state.

"In order to compete ... you're almost forced to have it (jeans) produced in locations where you can get the best cost and unfortunately that's just not here anymore," said Sam Tucker, the vice president of human resources for VF Jeanswear.

For the Peavlers, the change was wrenching. The couple had just bought a house and taken out a home-improvement loan.

The family relied on the health insurance provided by VF. Judy Peavler's life was so tied to working with a sewing machine that she hadn't touched a computer in 16 years.

"It was like the carpet was being pulled out from under me and it was very, very scary," she says. "I told Roy, what are we going to do? We can't make it with me going back to waiting tables."

But Roy Peavler quickly found a job, restoring repossessed mobile homes.

And Judy Peavler is enrolled at Green Country Technology Center in Okmulgee, taking prerequisite courses for training as a nurse.

Other workers are trying to make similar adjustments, but it hasn't been easy.

Christine Kerrigan of Philadelphia worked as a project manager for ExciteAtHome, a high-speed Internet-service provider whose spectacular rise in the late 1990s was followed by an equally abrupt plunge into bankruptcy.

When the company began to fold and she lost her job in late 2001, Kerrigan said, she looked around for similar work and found some temporary consulting assignments. But soon those dried up, too.

Kerrigan, who is 35 and a single mother of two teen-agers, began to realize that an equivalent of the job she had wasn't going to come back, even with a different employer.

Kerrigan is now enrolled at the Community College of Philadelphia, studying for a new career as a physician's assistant.

However, as excited as she is about the prospects of change, it has taken a long time to shake off the disillusionment of seeing her last career evaporate.

"It was personally, such a setback for me when the work force said thanks but no thanks," she says.

"Everything I did was part of my makeup. It was part of who I am and they no longer needed me."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; joblessrecovery; jobmarket; manufacturing
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1 posted on 10/19/2003 4:50:00 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: harpseal
ping
2 posted on 10/19/2003 4:50:44 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
An excellent lesson of this article, "Specialization is for insects!"

It is simple, learn to adapt and get off of your butt. If there isn't a job nearby, move or make one. There are plenty of opportunities in this great land. Find it, or make it. If you fail, so what. Get off of the ground, wipe yourself off and try again.
3 posted on 10/19/2003 4:56:59 AM PDT by BushCountry (To the last, I will grapple with Democrats. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at Liberals.)
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To: sarcasm
Her old job: $19,760/year.

Waiting tables (which she says isn't equivalent income): $12,500 base and $10K tips (very conservatively speaking) = $22,500.

Sounds like her real problem is basic math skills.

4 posted on 10/19/2003 4:57:44 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: harpseal
Americans are no longer considered worthy to hold even low-paying jobs, no matter how loyal the employee or how excellent the quality of work.
Of course, we are considered worthy to become cannon feed whenever our country calls us to fight for "our interests" abroad.
5 posted on 10/19/2003 4:58:08 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: BushCountry
Get ready to pay higher taxes to cover the new welfare programs these formerly employed Americans will demand.
6 posted on 10/19/2003 5:00:04 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
this is a part of the world story and is too bad for the workers. another part is how stupid are the managers of these businesses. five years ago levi bought the right to custom make jeans. yes with five measurments some man was making custom womens and mens jeans for a 10% premium. levi bought his technology. try to find it on their web site.

the same story can be told for after market car parts and remanufactured parts. there are dozens of products that lazy managers have let get away because all they think about is price.

7 posted on 10/19/2003 5:08:28 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: BushCountry
learn to adapt
It has to be said that a youth coming out of H.S. or college has no specialization, or relatively little, and is therefore able relatively easily to adapt to some new job. The temptation grows with time in service to marry the job. A union attempts to force the job to marry the employee.

But the demand for "more" is really a claim that the job is no good. The union's position would be more coherent if the union made it its business to encourage its members to prepare for/find a better job elsewhere--thereby putting pressure on the employer to maintain/improve pay, benefits, hours, and conditions.

It should be up to the employer to encourage its employees to improve their value within the organization, certainly so long as the employer hopes to maintain its workforce.


8 posted on 10/19/2003 5:22:47 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: anniegetyourgun
>> Her old job: $19,760/year. Waiting tables (which she says isn't equivalent income): $12,500 base and $10K tips (very conservatively speaking) = $22,500. Sounds like her real problem is basic math skills.

I believe her real problem in this scenerio would be loss of benefits.
9 posted on 10/19/2003 5:26:47 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: sarcasm
It's Final blah blah blah blah blah

The only thing final is the end of your life.

10 posted on 10/19/2003 5:34:17 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: anniegetyourgun
Sounds like her real problem is basic math skills.

LOL !

11 posted on 10/19/2003 5:47:51 AM PDT by ChadGore (Kakkate Koi!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"The union's position would be more coherent if the union made it its business to encourage its members to prepare for/find a better job elsewhere--thereby putting pressure on the employer to maintain/improve pay, benefits, hours, and conditions."

If you think the union even remotely thinks of "self-improvement" within thier captive audience of socialist workers I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. Self-improvement means COMPETITION among workers and that cannot be tolerated.
12 posted on 10/19/2003 5:54:57 AM PDT by DH
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To: PhilipFreneau
Waiting tables (which she says isn't equivalent income): $12,500 base and $10K tips (very conservatively speaking) = $22,500. Sounds like her real problem is basic math skills.

Not necessarily so.

I know in articles like this they portray the individual as The Best Employee Ever. They all do that. It’s similar to the polls in which 85% of the population think they are “above average.” They’re not, but like to think so.

Meanwhile, some waiters/waitresses make good money. Then there are the sullen/irritable/irritating waitresses that make no tips and end up being called in during crappy shifts (if at all) because they’re obnoxious. She’s probably all to familiar with how she’d fare in that type of job… IMO.

13 posted on 10/19/2003 6:14:19 AM PDT by Who dat?
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To: DH
It is going to be interesting to see how an ever-increasing welfare and unemployed system will finance an ever-increasing debt and expensive government. Something will have to give.
14 posted on 10/19/2003 6:17:11 AM PDT by meenie
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To: PhilipFreneau
".......loss of benefits".

and that is the problem, we are going to pay for millions of formerly employed workers. the government is well on its way to being the provider of those needs.

somethings got to give, and it will be us, with higher taxes.
15 posted on 10/19/2003 6:20:49 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: DH
I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Obviously, you did not take global warming into account. :~)

16 posted on 10/19/2003 6:21:57 AM PDT by verity
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To: meenie
you beat me to it.....great minds think alike.
17 posted on 10/19/2003 6:22:29 AM PDT by contessa machiaveli
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To: anniegetyourgun
$10K tips (very conservatively speaking)

She's in Oklahoma right? Sorry, but the good folks in OK are not very effusive with their tips.

But it sounds like she's on the right track - seeking additional training to get another job...

18 posted on 10/19/2003 6:22:42 AM PDT by berkeleybeej
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To: PhilipFreneau
And everyone knows it's not possible to purchase cheap life, catastrophic medical, or dental policies with the extra income. It's probably also not possible for her to create her own MSA, IRA, or 125 plan (albeit post-tax).

Clearly we've come to the point where employers are expected to provide everything but pet care (oh wait....it must be on the horizon). Can lifetime employment guarantees be far behind?

19 posted on 10/19/2003 6:26:07 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: contessa machiaveli; meenie
I guess we just aren't very compassionate conservatives.
20 posted on 10/19/2003 6:27:42 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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