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Methane Bubbles Could Sink Ships, Scientists Find
Yahoo News ^ | 10/21/03 | Maggie Fox - Reuters

Posted on 10/21/2003 4:15:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Methane bubbles from the sea floor could, in theory, sink ships and may explain the odd disappearances of some vessels, Australian researchers reported on Tuesday.

The huge bubbles can erupt from undersea deposits of solid methane, known as gas hydrates. An odorless gas found in swamps and mines, methane becomes solid under the enormous pressures found on deep sea floors.

The ice-like methane deposits can break off and become gaseous as they rise, creating bubbles at the surface.

David May and Joseph Monaghan of Monash University in Australia said they had demonstrated how a giant bubble from one of these deposits could swamp a ship.

"Sonar surveys of the ocean floor in the North Sea (between Britain and continental Europe) have revealed large quantities of methane hydrates and eruption sites," May and Monaghan wrote in their report, published in the American Journal of Physics.

"A recent survey revealed the presence of a sunken vessel within the center of one particularly large eruption site, now known as the Witches Hole."

"One proposed sinking mechanism attributes the vessel's loss of buoyancy to bubbles of methane gas released from an erupting underwater hydrate," they wrote." The known abundance of gas hydrates in the North Sea, coupled with the vessel's final resting position and its location in the Witches Hole, all support a gas bubble theory."

No one has ever seen such an eruption and no one knows how large the bubbles coming off a methane deposit would be.

May and Monaghan created a model of a single large bubble coming up under a ship. They trapped water between vertical glass plates, launched gas bubbles from the bottom and used a video camera to record what happened to an acrylic "hull" floating on the surface.

"Whether or not the ship will sink depends on its position relative to the bubble. If it is far enough from the bubble, it is safe," they wrote.

"If it is exactly above the bubble, it also is safe, because at a stagnation point of the flow the boat is not carried into the trough. The danger position is between the bubble's stagnation point and the edge of the mound where the trough formed," they concluded. ).


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bubbles; climatechange; environment; methane; scientists; sinkships; witcheshole
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This has been a theory that has been around for years.
1 posted on 10/21/2003 4:15:51 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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FRom Yahoo Search ... Lots of hits on Methane Bubbles
2 posted on 10/21/2003 4:19:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... HELP STOMP OUT FReepathons.. Become a Monthly . Thanks)
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To: NormsRevenge
As you have said, this has been a theory for a while. many specials on the Bermuda Triangle have used this theory as an explanations for the sudden dissappearances of ships with no calls for help.
3 posted on 10/21/2003 4:19:24 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: NormsRevenge
Methane bubbles can be found most anywhere.


4 posted on 10/21/2003 4:21:19 PM PDT by South40 (My vote helped defeat bustamante. Did yours?)
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To: South40
I have found that a large methane bubble under my bedsheets can frighten the wife and dog away, leaving me more room to sleep in.


5 posted on 10/21/2003 4:33:14 PM PDT by Gringo1 (Some days you are the pidgeon....and other days the statue.)
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To: Gringo1
OK lets see.. New Zealand is trying to tax Animal Farts, how long before the envirowackos claim that Global Warming and the Ozone Hole are caused by Ocean farts.
6 posted on 10/21/2003 4:36:00 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Gringo1
I have found that a large methane bubble under my bedsheets can frighten the wife and dog away

Wait til your dog pays you back. Haha!
7 posted on 10/21/2003 4:37:27 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (My tagline flunked PC in school. We're going to Disneyland!)
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To: NormsRevenge
It was first put forth after someone sunk their rubber ducky in the bath tub, using escaping methane gas.
8 posted on 10/21/2003 4:40:30 PM PDT by dts32041 (Is it time to practice decimation with our representatives?)
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To: NormsRevenge
"If it is exactly above the bubble, it also is safe, because at a stagnation point of the flow the boat is not carried into the trough.

That is if the crew can breathe methane. More than likely the crew would die and the ship would survive.

9 posted on 10/21/2003 4:42:24 PM PDT by Pontiac
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To: NormsRevenge; Victoria Delsoul; PatrickHenry; Quila; Rudder; donh; VadeRetro; RadioAstronomer; ...




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10 posted on 10/21/2003 4:42:52 PM PDT by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: NormsRevenge
Can we get hold of Reuters and let them know just what dim bulbs they are? And the Australian "researchers" too. Probably government funded research. Simple Google searches turn up tons of stuff on this, as noted in another post.

And their statements about no one ever witnessing the effect are also wrong. There are several recorded incidents (including film footage) of floating drilling platforms that have struck methane hydrate layers and released bubble storms that have sunk the rigs like there was nothing under them to bouy them up (which, in effect, was true).

The other thing they don't mention about methane bubbles is that they're explosive. Ships encountering these bubble fields lose bouyancy. Any ignition source and the whole shebang goes bang!

Methane hydrate deposits could be a fantastic source of energy, but the risks involved in extracting it are huge. Of course, the risks involved in NOT extracting it (safely) are also huge. Lot's of big areas in the world are literally sitting on top of big fuel/air bombs. Wouldn't it be lovely to find deposits of this stuff at strategic locations and design a weapon to liberate it when we want and then provide an ignition source? Wouldn't it be a pain if someone else figured this out first?

My God! There's a methane hydrate gap!

11 posted on 10/21/2003 4:43:49 PM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Gringo1
Good thing bathtubs are shallow!!!
12 posted on 10/21/2003 5:03:52 PM PDT by duk
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To: Scenic Sounds
Bet you didn't know this.
13 posted on 10/21/2003 5:10:30 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: NormsRevenge
Methane bubbles from the sea floor could, in theory, sink ships and may explain the odd disappearances of some vessels, Australian researchers reported on Tuesday.

Next, they are going to research if there are any good alternatives to the 8 track player.

14 posted on 10/21/2003 5:16:01 PM PDT by Fzob (Why does this tag line keep showing up?)
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To: NormsRevenge

A trawler found at the bottom of the North Sea may have been sunk by a massive and very sudden release of methane gas, scientists speculated on Wednesday.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1047249.stm

15 posted on 10/21/2003 5:23:34 PM PDT by Tamzee (...This tagline has been tested on animals.)
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16 posted on 10/21/2003 5:44:01 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Fzob
Next, they are going to research if there are any good alternatives to the 8 track player.

I need to get myself out of this work grind I've been in for the last 25 years and get me a "research grant" - several of them in fact.

I've got some great ideas that need serious series study....

- Why the sun always rises in the east and sets in the west.

- Why Lil Tommy D. is always "deeply saddened or concerned."

- Why Hollyweird celebs are such raving idiots, and insist on proving that fact over and over and over again.

Wow, lots of possibilities when ya get into the Lib / Rat arena.

LVM

17 posted on 10/21/2003 5:47:43 PM PDT by LasVegasMac (You tell 'em I'm coming! And you tell 'em Hell is coming with me!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
No one has ever seen such an eruption and no one knows how large the bubbles coming off a methane deposit would be.

We know for sure that there are deposits of natural gas in the earth. In theory, natural erosion might eventually allow one to escape on its own. However, it's not at all clear why this would happen on the bottom of the ocean, an environment more favorable to deposition than erosion.

At any rate, if I understand the article, methane is laying around already exposed on the sea floor in semi-stable hydrate form, just waiting for some odd event to turn it into a huge gas bubble. If that's true, there's more untapped energy out there than we thought. The problem is that someone should have put the whole business on a more solid observational basis by this late date than seems to be the case.

18 posted on 10/21/2003 6:01:30 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: VadeRetro
Well, forget that cruise then, I refuse to get killed because the ocean farted.
19 posted on 10/21/2003 6:48:31 PM PDT by Ogmios (Who is John Galt?)
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To: VadeRetro
Or as the Monte Python crew would say, "May The ocean fart in your general direction". What a great curse, I need to send that off to a friend of mine for his rude drivers tickets..LOL
20 posted on 10/21/2003 6:52:36 PM PDT by Ogmios (Who is John Galt?)
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