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Thank God for General Boykin
Creators Syndicate/Townhall.com ^ | 10-22-03 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 10/22/2003 7:03:00 AM PDT by veronica

The latest proposed victim in our struggle against terrorism is Army Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin, recently named Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. His mission is to reinvigorate the search for bin Laden, Mullah Omar and other leaders of global terrorism. By training and experience he is marvelously prepared for his new duties -- having risen from a Delta Force commando to top-secret Joint Special Operations Command, through the CIA, to command of the Army's Special Forces. For a quarter century he has been fighting terror with his bare hands, his fine mind and his faith-shaped soul. It is that last matter -- his faith, and his willingness to give politically incorrect witness to that faith in Christian churches -- that has drawn furious media and political fire in the last week. The Washington Post, The Los Angeles Times, Howard Dean, The Egyptian Foreign Minister and other less lofty entities have all called for his removal from office because of his expressed religious views. And, of course, these calls for his head are all made on behalf of religious tolerance.

While the full text of the general's comments will not been released by the Los Angeles Times columnist who secretly recorded them during the general's witness in churches in Oklahoma, Oregon and Florida, the purportedly scandalous bits have been selectively published in print and on television. General Boykin said the terrorists come from "the principalities of darkness," that they are "demonic," and they hate us because "We're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian, and the enemy is a guy named Satan." The general also recounted the time he was chasing down a Somali warlord who was bragging that the Americans would not capture him because his god, Allah, would protect him. "Well," Boykin responded, "my God is bigger than his God. I knew my God was a real God, and his was an idol."

In short, General Boykin is being accused of calling America a Judeo-Christian country, the war on terrorism a religious war, and of expressing his belief in the truth of the New Testament of the Bible. While his critics concede that he has a right to express his religious views, they argue that his expressed opinions of the Islamic and Christian religions make him unfit to perform his duties of helping to lead in the war on terrorism. I am inclined to believe that he is splendidly fit for such combat, and I thank God that we have such a man as General Boykin in our midst.

The purported fear is that the general's comments may have ruffled the feathers of our esteemed enemy -- the millions and millions of fanatical Islamists, or that his statement may so inflame the passions of the millions of good Muslims that they will discard their peaceable ways and pick up the bloody sword of jihad. What utter balderdash. Whether or not American officials chose to call this a religious war, it is utterly clear that our enemy, bin Laden and the other terrorists, are motivated by Islamic religious fanaticism. They say so in their founding documents and every day, in every way, around the world. However peaceably we may interpret the Koran or assess the history of Islam, at this time and in these places one would have to be swayed by a spirit of detachment from the facts not to see that a sizable percentage of Muslims believe they are in a religious war with non-Muslims. They are consciously at religious war with the Jews in the Middle East, with Hindus in the subcontinent and with Christians everywhere. It shouldn't be a firing offense for the occasional American general to return the compliment. Indeed, I am heartened by General Boykin's fighting spirit.

Nor is it factually wrong or religiously insensitive to point out that the United States is a Judeo-Christian country. We are. It is an uncontestable historic and cultural fact. We are also a country that strives in both law and habit to be impeccably tolerant and respectful to all other religions and to those who believe in no religion at all. But in rallying our countrymen to the defense of our lives and property at this time of peril, we are entitled to invoke -- as Lincoln once did with such dignity and passion -- the mystic chords of our memory. And it is well to recall that when Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill met in Placentia Bay off New Foundland on the heavy cruiser Augusta on August 9, 1941, to rally our nations to our common defense, they sang three songs with the assembled sailors: "O God, Our Help in Ages Past," "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" and "Onward, Christian Soldiers."


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1 posted on 10/22/2003 7:03:00 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
This general gets it.

So does America.

And so do most of the troops...

2 posted on 10/22/2003 7:05:03 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: veronica
AMEN!
3 posted on 10/22/2003 7:05:44 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: veronica; Ff--150; billbears
I am inclined to believe that he is splendidly fit for such combat, and I thank God that we have such a man as General Boykin in our midst.

Bump. Amazing the bias of the media and liberals, they support every offensive and putrid action and speech, yet denigrate the truth. Thank God for men such as Gen. Boykin - I pray that we had a military FULL of men and women like him.

4 posted on 10/22/2003 7:09:14 AM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: dennisw; SJackson; JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave; BenF; Nachum; Yehuda; yoe; yonif; Catspaw; Alouette; ...
FYI.
5 posted on 10/22/2003 7:11:21 AM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: American in Israel; Salem; quidnunc; MadIvan; dighton; knighthawk; Optimist; Trueblackman; ...
Bump.
6 posted on 10/22/2003 7:13:25 AM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: RJCogburn
You have nothing to fear but fear itself. The General is a great American.
7 posted on 10/22/2003 7:14:09 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
Amazing the bias of the media and liberals, they support every offensive and putrid action and speech, yet denigrate the truth.

An election is common up and gotta start rounding the sheeple to vote their way. Salute to this General for his service to this nation!

8 posted on 10/22/2003 7:16:23 AM PDT by Ff--150 (we have been fed with milk, not meat)
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To: veronica
Alas, the poor general is going to take it in the shorts!

The neocommunist, ultra-left wingers, especially those in the media, scream about being "non-judgmental," especially where non-Christian religions are involved.

They make a big deal about no link between Saddam and 9/11, like they knew, like it makes a difference. This general has clearly stated who the enemy is, it's the Muslims. The enemy is no more benign just because it is a religion than it would be as an "ism."

They'll scream about the loyal, good Muslims who are NOT terrorists. Let's see them! Trot 'em out! They are with us or against us and I see very few US Muslims coming out on our side. So long as the Saudis fund the terrorists, it is a world wide attack by Muslims, the fanatics doing the terror and fighting and the others supporting the terrorists.

9 posted on 10/22/2003 7:19:36 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: veronica
Boykin in 2008!

(anyone know where we write to offer him moral support for his statements?)
10 posted on 10/22/2003 7:24:03 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://www.JewPoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Old Sarge
Boykin may get it and you think you do but the President and Rumsfeld and the rest of the executive staff have said repeatedly that this struggle against terrorism is not a religious based idealogical fight. They have said that it not a war against Islam. Whether or not GWB is wrong and Boykin is right, Boykin has stepped over the line and I suspect he will be asked to resign or retire.

I ask this, if this is indeed a war against Islam or if Islam is defective and we cannot coexist with it, then do we outlaw Islam in the USA and everywhere where we have national interests? Do we, with prejudice, sanction, all Islamic leaders?

Words have a consequence and when one says something such as what Boykin said it implies action and policy. GWB spoke about this issue in a way to minimize the consequence of speech. He did this on purpose, not because he doesn't believe what you, I, and Boykin thinks but to be able to control future consequences of speech and subsequent actions.
11 posted on 10/22/2003 7:24:37 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
We all know why Bush etc. needs to say this is not a fight against Islam, but in fact, IT IS. Whatever Islam was, it has morphed into a cult-like, Murder Inc. entity. Are there moderates? Yes. But note that the hate-filled rant of that Malaysian PM got a standing ovation from other Muslims, and, vast numbers of Islamists celebrated on 9-11, and in the ME, they are orgasmic when Jews and/or Americans are killed. Remove Islam from the picture for a minute and the world is a rather peaceful place. Unfortunately Bush must act tough and talk PC, but I don't need to pretend to buy it.

One day the moderate factions may rule Islam, but what the General is saying is TRUE NOW.

12 posted on 10/22/2003 7:41:18 AM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: Final Authority
"I ask this, if this is indeed a war against Islam or if Islam is defective and we cannot coexist with it, then do we outlaw Islam in the USA and everywhere where we have national interests? Do we, with prejudice, sanction, all Islamic leaders?"

No we do not outlaw Islam, how could we? We outlaw militant Islam extremists - they are relatively easy to spot. We should be asking those Islamic leaders who also fear the militant, to step forward and denounce those among them that are tearing at the fabric of Islam.

The last great war between Christianity and Islam was about 1500 A.D. This is a War about terrorism however the terrorists are of the Islamic faith; they are militant and they are abusing what their faith teaches.

The clear fact is a Jihad has been called for against all Christians...call that what you will.

13 posted on 10/22/2003 7:50:20 AM PDT by yoe (Term Limits - and 2 terms are the limit for all elected to a Federal office!!)
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To: veronica
I never said that the General wasn't stating the truth, I believe I said he will pay the price, however.
14 posted on 10/22/2003 8:01:36 AM PDT by Final Authority
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To: Final Authority
Sad, isn't it?
15 posted on 10/22/2003 8:03:16 AM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: veronica
"One day the moderate factions may rule Islam, but what the General is saying is TRUE NOW."

Moderates are only the plumage of Islam. The world mistakes the leaves for the fruit at its peril. This time, the roots.

16 posted on 10/22/2003 8:16:24 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: veronica
While I generally agree with the General's comments, if he was saying them in uniform, I would disagree with that. Being secretly recorded in a church is typical LA Times, but officers should watch what they say in uniform. The higher ranking the officer the less he should say.

Besides, what would we all be saying if a Muslim officer said that our war against radical Islam was "Allah's righeous wrath against those who would pervert His will?"
18 posted on 10/22/2003 8:18:32 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: veronica
Joe Scaraborough played a video of General Boykin, making his statements and as the Republican Congressman on the show pointed out, the General in on way made the statements that he is being accused of. He had a slide show and showed a picture of Bin Laden and asked is this the enemy and answered his own question, of course, he then showed Saddam Hussein and asked the same question and gave the same answer, but then he said that the first two were not the real enemy and he showed a drawing of Satan, and said this is the real enemy.

I believe that General Boykin may be the Christian general that Oliver North wrote about in his book, Mission Compromised. Read it.
19 posted on 10/22/2003 8:22:00 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
"I believe that General Boykin may be the Christian general that Oliver North wrote about in his book, Mission Compromised."

Who did the thwarting of the mission and why? I know it's fiction, but Ollie is probably couching the truth in the book.

20 posted on 10/22/2003 8:49:40 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: veronica
the Los Angeles Times columnist who secretly recorded them during the general's witness in churches
for the purpose of embarassing the general and his superiors.

That columnist has a First Amendment right to report the truth.

OTOH the general has a right, also codified in the First Amendment, to be and to speak as a Christian--a persuasion which few if any of our 43 presidents have denied. Even the previous one, after all, was noted for carrying a Bible out of a church--not that journalists accused him of actually believing in it.

The general is accused of actually believing that carpenters are resurrected; the accusation is leveled by people who actually believe that journalists are objective. Of the two propostions, the latter is far and away the less likely.


21 posted on 10/22/2003 8:51:46 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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To: Eastbound
No, North says the book depicts actual events and that only the names have been changed. The mission was compromised by the joint efforts of the UN and the shared encription technology used by the military. The technology treason involved all the usual suspects for all the usual reasons.
22 posted on 10/22/2003 8:52:43 AM PDT by Eva
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To: veronica
"Army Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin,..."

Do you know if "Jerry" is the middle name, 'Gerald?' Thanks.

23 posted on 10/22/2003 8:57:13 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eva
Okay, thanks, Eva. I was just wondering what role General Boykin played in the book, as mentioned by you.
24 posted on 10/22/2003 9:00:16 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
Boykin was the general who could be counted on to rescue the stranded marine, stuck in Iraq without notifying the state department or the UN.
25 posted on 10/22/2003 9:02:02 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva; Alamo-Girl
Thanks. Appreciate it.
26 posted on 10/22/2003 9:05:09 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: veronica
I absolutely love this general. And I'm getting sick and tired of the muslims being able to say anything they want to but Christians are not allowed to speak out about the horrible part of this religion. If the moderate muslins won't speak out against their brother muslims, Christians have to do it. It does not mean the United States is against people who worship Islam, but it does mean that the United States and the Christians in this country have a right to speak out against the radicals and any muslim who believes killing Americans and people of Israel is acceptable in their religion.

God bless General Boykin. Get stuffed Condi!

27 posted on 10/22/2003 9:28:02 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: Eastbound
Thanks for the heads up!
28 posted on 10/22/2003 9:40:24 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tacis
You got that right!

Amazing how "Chuckie" and the junior itch Senator from NY trash Christians, the anti-Christian bigots refuse to allow Christians from being confirmed a judge.
29 posted on 10/22/2003 9:45:59 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: veronica; SJackson; yonif; rdb3; Simcha7; American in Israel; spectacularbid2003; Binyamin; ...
Can somebody take the time to find a U.S. mailing address for Boykin? Is he at the Pentagon? Some other base or installation? I know he has backpeddled in recent days (no doubt getting leaned on real heavy), so we need to urge friends and associates to make direct contact with him and encourage him in his stand (and CC Rumsfeld and Rice while we are at it!).



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30 posted on 10/22/2003 9:52:25 AM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: jwalsh07
You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

This should be updated to read -

You have nothing to fear but politicians.

31 posted on 10/22/2003 10:10:02 AM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: Salem; All
I wish first to congratulate our friend "Salem" and thank him for maintaining his outstanding web site.
This case is a prime example of the long reaching effort of the communist Anti-Christ conspiracy, to rob Christian Americans of their rights, in this case free speech. Why is the General not allowed to utter the words "my God was bigger" and other such innocent praise of his deity, when Radical Mohhamedans are allowed to propagate the lies of their evil and intrinsically satanic religion. I approve of inhibiting free speech, but not for LTG Boykin. Rather, I would limit, perhaps permanently, the free speech of the forces of evil. Their hate speech is clearly un-civil and basely un-american. It's product is more than racial unrest and civil strife it is acts of terrorism and oppresive governments which include ritual gang-rape as a standard punishment. However our media chooses not to report the truth about this sick and perverted paganism. The Koran says; "When ye encounter the infidel lob of their heads until ye have made a great slaughter". Why should this be protected, but the General's right to sing 'Onward Christian Soldiers' be inhibited?
We as Patriots must be extremely cautious and guarded against this new trickery of Satan and his Islamic Armies. The paper which published the quotes from LTG Boykin, The Los Angeles Times, has not been forthcoming with their sources, reportedly secret tapes made at a religious meeting. Why must they stalk good men seeking to twist their words? Could it be because they seek to make Christians the next public enemy number one? It is not Christians who fly civilian aircraft into buildings, it is not Christians who have the perpetual subjugation of women as a fundamental of their faith, it is not Christians who rest their governments on laws including gang rape as a punishment, and it is not Christians who preach terrorism as their religion. Each of these belong to the Demonic Sect of Radical Mohammedanism. This new style of deception certainly has as it's goal the very destruction of the faith of our fathers. As such it warrants our irresistable opposition.
32 posted on 10/22/2003 10:29:37 AM PDT by Ryan Bailey (Is free speech for everyone or only for the anarchists?)
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To: veronica
Amazing that a journalist can go into a church, record the meetings, and then persecute the general for not being politically correct. One would think that the illegal taping, (yes it is illegal to tape people without their knowledge), inside a private meeting and the public broadcast of that message would be a criminal act.

Actually it is a criminal act, but the law will not be enforced, and what the General did is perfectly legal, and the lack of laws will not stop the media from punishing the General for having his own not approved by the LA times opinion.

Well, what the heck, they are only Christians and are allowed the freedom of speech except where a law can be written about it. Isn't that what the Constitution says?

Pretty hard to stretch the laws that says that the Government shall make no laws against religion as separation of Church and State to The Media shall force laws against what Christians say about things in private churches.

But this is not about law, this is about the preamble to Auschwitz in America. This has nothing to do with freedom, and everything to do with fascism and the setup for mass murder.

Every Christian should buy a gun at this point, it is pretty obvious that the Constitution has been subverted beyond any guarantee of freedom. It is also pretty obvious that Christians are the target too.
33 posted on 10/22/2003 10:41:21 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: jwalsh07
Thanks for the ping. A good article.

My concerns with the General are that while the bad guys may consider this a 'religious war' our motivation should be the defense of our country our people and our freedoms rather than a religious motivation. More to the point, when he identifies the enemy as Satan rather than OBL and co. I take issue.

I suspect he is a fine and brave man and feel good about fine brave men helping to defend us.
34 posted on 10/22/2003 10:47:16 AM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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To: veronica
bttt
35 posted on 10/22/2003 11:52:43 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Alamo-Girl; LindaSOG; BushisTheMan; conservatism_IS_compassion; Eva; Ff--150; AnnaZ; TonyRo76; ...
Hey, All,

I just received a forwarded email from a friend, from Gary Baur, Chairman of the Campaign for Working Families. It is posted below. I called the number and spoke to a gentleman, told him who I was, and said I was going to post this at FreeRepublic.com and if it would be a problem if they received a "high volume" response to this. He didn't seem to know about Free Republic (*gasp*) but that they receive a lot of email every day, and, YES, General Boykim would receive the letters of support.

So, let's hit 'em with a huge response. HUGE. Ping your friends and fellow FReepers to this posting.

Make sure you tell Boykin you heard about this at Free Republic!

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Brace Yourself

Next month CBS will air a mini-series called "The Reagans" about the president for whom I was honored to work for eight years. Any fleeting hope that we had for the series to offer a favorable account of the Reagan years is fast disappearing. Perhaps the first sign should have been the news that Reagan will be played by James Brolin, husband of left-wing activist Barbara Streisand! But now there's more. The script written by Elizabeth Egloff includes a conversation between Nancy and the president. She wants him to do more to help AIDS victims, to which Reagan responds, "They that live in sin shall die in sin." Egloff now admits the entire exchange is a fabrication! But it neatly fits into the left-wing worldview that AIDS spread in the 1980s because conservatives in Washington didn't care!


Crucifixion

It is now official - the Washington Post is on a "crusade" to crucify General Boykin. Today, the Post filed another diatribe adding to the "indictment" of General Boykin new "damning" information regarding his view on why the September 11th attacks weren't even worse. Here is what the general said, "Whether you realize it or not, I believe there were at least two more airplanes that were headed for major installations in this country. I believe that there was one headed for the White House, there was one headed for the Capitol, but they were thwarted by the hand of God."

Well, many other intelligence experts also believe other hijackings were planned, but ultimately failed on September 11th, but that isn't what the Post is questioning. They just can't comprehend and they find intolerable that a top U.S. general believes and says there is a God who intervenes in the affairs of men! I have sent the following letter to the editor of the Washington Post.

"Seldom has the Washington Post's ignorance of people of faith, particularly Evangelicals, been more evident than in your October 18, 2003 hyperventilating editorial concerning Lt. General William G. 'Jerry' Boykin.

"The Lt. General's 'sins,' from the perspective of the militant secularist perch of your editorial writer, seems to boil down to this: Boykin sees the 'jihadist' terrorists who killed 3,000 of us September 11th and who are feverishly striving to kill more of us right now and whose 'brothers' in spirit desecrated the bodies of U.S. soldiers murdered in Mogadishu by dragging them naked through the streets, as proof of the existence of evil in the world. Indeed, the Lt. General believes he saw and felt a demonic presence in the blood soaked streets of Mogadishu.

"But the Post finds this belief by a top officer in the war on terror that there is a spiritual war raging in the world to be 'weird, and not a little scary.' As I recall, the Post didn't like it when the Commander-In-Chief identified an 'axis of evil' either. But, what is really scary is that the most influential newspaper in Washington apparently is unable to recognize the spiritual evil inherent in the self-described jihadists who are spreading death and destruction from one end of the globe to the other on a scale ranging from the individual decapitation of Daniel Pearl to mass murder in lower Manhattan.

"The last century provided plenty of proof of the existence of evil (from Stalin's Gulags to Hitler's death camps.) The fascist jihadist terrorists of today spring from the same hell."

General Boykin attends an Assembly of God church just a mile from my own church. If you want to encourage him, e-mail your messages of support to me and I will hand deliver them this weekend. Also, e-mail the White House at president@whitehouse.gov and urge the President to stand with General Boykin.

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36 posted on 10/22/2003 12:02:14 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: Salem
Thanks for the heads up!
37 posted on 10/22/2003 12:10:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Salem
Emails sent to all contact points.

Lets hope the General gets to know there is a lot of support for him.
38 posted on 10/22/2003 12:18:27 PM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: BushisTheMan
I absolutely love this general. And I'm getting sick and tired of the muslims being able to say anything they want to but Christians are not allowed to speak out about the horrible part of this religion.

I agree and you're right!

If the moderate muslins won't speak out against their brother muslims, Christians have to do it. It does not mean the United States is against people who worship Islam, but it does mean that the United States and the Christians in this country have a right to speak out against the radicals and any muslim who believes killing Americans and people of Israel is acceptable in their religion.

You're right and I agree again! But I'm sure the throng of moderate muslims will rise up any minute now and strongly condemn the radicals....


39 posted on 10/22/2003 2:10:08 PM PDT by Agitate (Got no flowers for your gun--no hippie chick!)
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To: veronica
My concerns with the General are that while the bad guys may consider this a 'religious war' our motivation should be the defense of our country our people and our freedoms rather than a religious motivation. More to the point, when he identifies the enemy as Satan rather than OBL and co. I take issue.

Whether you or I take issue with or disagree with the General's viewpoint, I think, is irrelevant. To me, the real issue is the man's right to his beliefs, and a clear right to practice them and state them, especially in his own church.

IMHO, this is a freedom of speech, freedom of religion issue, and the good General is being unfairly attacked on both points. On Hannity & Colms one night, an individual was calling for General Boykins to step down because his comments were inappropriate and they would offend muslims and damage our efforts to "win the hearts and minds" of the Arab world. Here’s what I have issue with:

  1. Trying to "win the hearts and minds" of a culture that has been openly hostile to us (Dar al Harb, the house of war or non-muslims) is a policy of appeasement that is unacceptable
  2. If I have freedom of religion and freedom of speech, I have the right to worship as I please and speak in my house of worship, regardless of my job.


Why do I think the same people calling for secular jihad on General Boykin would defend the rights of the KKK? No, I don’t think the Klan should be censored because they are offensive to most. My point is it seems that it’s ok to offend some people, but God help us if we offend Muslims who state their hate for Jews, Christians and Americans regularly in their mosques. Politically correct Liberals gone wild are dangerous to Christians.

40 posted on 10/22/2003 2:43:11 PM PDT by Agitate (Got no flowers for your gun--no hippie chick!)
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To: veronica
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord: He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored; He hath loosed the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword: His truth is marching on.

I have seen him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps; They have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps; I can read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps: His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel: “As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal; Let the hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel, Since God is marching on.”

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat; He is sifting out the hearts of men before his judgment seat: O, be swift, my soul, to answer him! be jubilant, my feet! Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea, With the glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me; As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, While God is marching on.
41 posted on 10/22/2003 3:04:45 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Salem
Thank you.
42 posted on 10/22/2003 3:05:47 PM PDT by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: veronica
Without making any comment on whether I think the General's comments are wrong or not, I wonder if anyone else sees the possible similarities between what is happening to LTG Boykin and what happened 42 1/2 years ago to MG Edwin A. Walker.

Walker, of course, was relieved of Division Command and forced into early retirement by JFK after comments he made against the USSR (anti Red), "pinko" communists in our own government, and comments in support of the John Birch Society (pro Blue).

In 1961 the Walker story came to light when and English-language tabloid, The Overseas Weekly, published a story that the 24th Infantry Division CG was forcing his junior leaders to participate in JBS "indoctrination" classes. Additionally, he ordered JBS material to be available in all Day Rooms.

Almost exactly two years later, according to the Warren Commission Report, Lee Harvey Oswald took a shot at him as the General worked on his Federal Income Taxes.

43 posted on 10/22/2003 3:47:08 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: veronica
We should thank God for men like General Boykin and all others like him!

You will notice who they are who are trying to get his head; Islamists and Liberals. Same difference, as far as our Constitution is concerned!

44 posted on 10/22/2003 4:05:17 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: veronica
The purported fear is that the general's comments may have ruffled the feathers of our esteemed enemy --

Guess this explains why the dimms are in such a huff.

45 posted on 10/22/2003 4:19:09 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: veronica
I like that "We Can Fight." Of course we can. The WND bookstore has a great new film "A Nation Adrift," which costs under $30 and is a great remedy to the slippery slope.
The best thing any American can do right now is buy this video and let your kids, your grandkids, your church members and anybody else watch.
You know how liberals are always reminding us that our Founding Fathers were deists and didn't want us to mix God with politics?
This one is in their face!
46 posted on 10/22/2003 8:29:21 PM PDT by Jack00 (We CAN Fight! Here's How...)
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To: Salem
I think the thing that bothers me most about this whole episode is that the LA Times is basically giving aid & comfort to our Muslim enemies.

After 9/11 I was afraid that there was a fifth column in the US, imagining it was comprised of diaffected Black Muslims. Then I saw that the fifthe column included unrepentant Communists and the "anti-globalization/anti-whatever" crowd. Now I am begining to believe it also includes much of the Democratic party and the liberal/mainstream media.

This is disturbing me.

Thanks for posting these contacts Salem, I will be sure to use them.
47 posted on 10/23/2003 3:08:03 AM PDT by jocon307 (New tagline coming soon......)
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To: Agitate
Agitate wrote:

Trying to "win the hearts and minds" of a culture that has been openly hostile to us (Dar al Harb, the house of war or non-muslims) is a policy of appeasement that is unacceptable
If I have freedom of religion and freedom of speech, I have the right to worship as I please and speak in my house of worship, regardless of my job
I write:
Appeasement seems to be what most politicians are all about, incl many Republicans. I wonder how many of these people have even HEARD of Neville Chamberlain.
48 posted on 10/23/2003 6:01:55 AM PDT by Jack00 (We CAN Fight! Here's How...)
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To: Gritty
You will notice who they are who are trying to get his head; Islamists and Liberals. Same difference, as far as our Constitution is concerned!

It's not just them. I happened to go to National Review Online (NRO) about a half hour ago and they had a short "editorial", written by the "NRO Editors", calling for the General's head.

I just went back to the web site - and it's gone! Did they get so much heat that they took it off? Or did Bill Buckley call Rich Lowery and tell him to get that trash off of the web site? Curious.

49 posted on 10/23/2003 6:46:25 AM PDT by jackbill
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To: Jack00
Appeasement seems to be what most politicians are all about, incl many Republicans. I wonder how many of these people have even HEARD of Neville Chamberlain.

I'll admit I didn't know who he was either, even though I had US history in high school and college. However, once I pulled my head out of the sand and started paying attention to politics, I realized the necessity of knowing history and started studying it. However I see alot of people just don't get that, and I'm sure some of them are in congress.
50 posted on 10/23/2003 7:33:47 AM PDT by Agitate (Got no flowers for your gun--no hippie chick!)
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