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CORRECTION ON BOYKIN [NR Editors]
National Review ^ | 10/24/03 | NR EDITORS

Posted on 10/24/2003 12:38:03 PM PDT by veronica

CORRECTION ON BOYKIN [NR Editors]

National Review, in the issue out today, runs an editorial paragraph that it did not mean to run. We had a debate among the editors--as we debate many things--about Gen. William Boykin, who recently made some highly provocative remarks about the war on terror. Some editors felt that he should be fired forthwith; others demurred. A draft editorial paragraph was prepared, stating the position that Boykin should be fired; at just about the last minute, we decided to withhold judgment--to see how the investigation into the general’s behavior proceeded, and to reach a conclusion then.

Because of a production error, that paragraph--the one calling for Boykin’s head--went to the printer. And thus appears in the magazine. We removed it from our html edition, but about the “hard copy edition,” we could do nothing.

We will weigh in again--finally and definitively--on General Boykin, when we, along with everyone else, know all that we should know. Posted at 02:24 PM


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: correction; williamboykin

1 posted on 10/24/2003 12:38:03 PM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
Oh, boy! Get the word out. This oughta make those old-fashioned hardcopies fly off the newsstands!!!</sarcasm>
2 posted on 10/24/2003 12:42:22 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: veronica
We think all incompetent editors of National Review should be fired forthwith.
3 posted on 10/24/2003 12:42:32 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: veronica
Considering that they had the facts wrong -- it was not at a public event, but at a religious event -- then it's wise of the NR to run a retraction.

But now we have a host of people quoting faulty facts.
4 posted on 10/24/2003 12:45:14 PM PDT by xzins
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The OOPS.... Retracted Column - Sack Him: The case against Gen. Boykin. National Review on line
5 posted on 10/24/2003 12:46:02 PM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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The OOPS.... Retracted Column - Sack Him: The case against Gen. Boykin. National Review on line
6 posted on 10/24/2003 12:46:02 PM PDT by veronica ("I just realised I have a perfect part for you in "Terminator 4"....)
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To: veronica
Boykin should only be fired if the left is forced to fire all the Marxist on college campuses and jimmy carter and ramsey clark are deported
7 posted on 10/24/2003 12:46:03 PM PDT by sticker
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To: veronica
NR sure ain't WF Buckley's magazine any more. Its become more like People without the pictures.
8 posted on 10/24/2003 12:46:03 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: skeeter

About as lame an excuse from FR as their reasons for firing Ann Coulter.

What really happened was that they caught unholy hell from the Conservative community for their pandering to the chattering class community.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

9 posted on 10/24/2003 12:48:48 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Drop the sushi, clic on my pic, and visit my blog. Or else!")
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To: veronica
I saw this on the NRO website when it came out- since they also had a pro-Boykin article up at the time, I just assumed that there was a difference of opinion about this case, and let it go.

I think that this attempted retraction is cowardly, and beneath NR. Especially since you cannot recall anything that has been put on the Net with complete success, so why try?

By the way, I don't agree with the editorial at all- but I do think they have the right to their opinion on this.

10 posted on 10/24/2003 12:59:40 PM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE ("De gustibus non disputandem est")
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To: veronica
I'm just sure that General Boyken is going to be found guilty of some horrible crime. It is a serious crime to regale in church to a congregation your feelings about your faith in God. The dastardly deed of criticizing a Muslim terrorist in Somalia and expressing the belief that his God was superior to the Muslim's God and then to go so far as to infer that the Muslim's deity was no more than an idol. This is just too much.

We must be touchy-feely toward the Muslim hordes for you know they are so tolerable. General Boyken, you should have known that it was politically incorrect and against this government's wishes. You know that the Socialists and Faschists do not like God. You have ruffled their feathers and now you must pay in the editorial pages of the National Review. Shame, shame on you.(A teeny bit of SARCASM)

11 posted on 10/24/2003 1:01:45 PM PDT by meenie
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To: section9
What really happened was that they caught unholy hell from the Conservative community for their pandering to the chattering class community.

Granted, but someone should tell them that quickly surrendering an ally's first amendment rights (assuming he wasn't under specific orders to not discuss religion) does nothing to help them shed their 'girly boy' image.

12 posted on 10/24/2003 1:14:10 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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So the girly boy NR editors are now our first line of defense.

Hmmm.

13 posted on 10/24/2003 1:35:32 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: veronica
Too stupid. What's with these guys?

I can't believe that anyone who actually bothered to read Boykin's remarks could object in any way. But then, if the NR crowd is busy sucking up to the "mainstream" (i.e., liberal) press, I guess they probably didn't have time to read what he actually said.
14 posted on 10/24/2003 1:54:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: veronica
We will weigh in again--finally and definitively--on General Boykin, when we, along with everyone else, know all that we should know.

I wonder if "knowing all that we should know" would include learning and disclosing the facts that it was the MSNBC Contributor, William Arkin, who made the videotape, that he did so without the knowledge or permission of Gen. Boykin, and that Arkin is an advisor to Human Rights Watch, Greenpeace, and other left-wing anti-war groups.

It would seem to me that nondisclosure would be absolutely dishonest, in part because it would seem to suggest that this issue was not a political stunt by a major cable network to embarrass the Bush administration and to undercut its effectiveness in prosecuting the War on Terror, and more specifically the Iraqi reconstruction.

Pardon me for reposting this, but it is important.

1. Gen. Boykin was addressing a church congregation on the nature of the War on Terror.

2. The War is being waged primarily against fanatics who happen to be Muslims driven by their religious upbringing and bent on doing great harm to large numbers of Americans and other Westerners.

3. The general was not setting or changing policy, nor was he speaking on behalf of either the Defense Department or the Bush administration even though he was wearing his uniform, a not uncommon practice when officers are invited to speak on military subjects.

4. If Gen. Boykin serves as deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence and is charged with heading a Pentagon office that focuses on finding Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and other targets, then on whom should he be concentrating -- if not on Muslim fanatics who might provide information as to the whereabouts of the targets?

5. Gen. Boykin has as much of a right to freedom of speech (and religion) as do Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins and the handful Democratic hopefuls who have been critical, and the government should take no actions that would restrict the general's freedoms, such as requiring him to take another post or leave his country's service.

6. If reciprocity is a factor in judging the general, that is, as some have expressed, his language could invite more Muslims to hate us more intensely and even become violent, then I would ask if any Muslim fanatics have ever addressed the U.S. in religious tones, or perhaps called us "The Great Satan"?

7. Might the general only stand accused of telling it "as it is"? While I would not have chosen the same words, the general did not intend to set policy or to have a videotape of his talk to the congregation broadcast on networks around the world, which invites the question of political motivations on the part of the filmmaker, the networks and the critical hopefuls.

8. I would maintain that the general's work is more important than this latest kerfuffle and as long as his superiors have confidence in his performance, he should stay right where he is -- no matter what The Nation editor Katrina van den Heuvel, David Corn, Rep. Charley Rangel or Sen. Tom Daschle say.

9. I would oppose handing to the perennial carping critics of this administration a victory on this issue which would only provide the left-wing true believers further ammunition with which to attack Bush while serving to hamper our effective prosecution of this War.

10. What will this group seek to remove next after prayers in the schools? Prayers in churches and synagogues? OK, maybe not, but I'm disenchanted with the PC crowd that went so far, say, at State under Madeleine Albright, as to ban the use of the moniker "rogue states" and substitute "states of concern" or thinks the words "evil" or "evildoer" are inflammatory.

I believe that what is really inflammatory are events like Pearl Harbor and 9/11. If some who are waging the current fight, who are seeking to redress such wrongs, and who are attempting to protect the citizens of this nation against future attacks, should express the struggle in personal terms that are not wholly politically correct or should state their arguments using some extra zeal, then so be it! I am grateful for their service to our nation.

15 posted on 10/24/2003 1:55:59 PM PDT by OESY
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To: skeeter
NR has gone soft.....and a bit socially PC.
16 posted on 10/24/2003 1:57:07 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: veronica
I highly recommend Wes Pruden's take (Shall we silence the Christians?) on Boykin in today's Washington Times, at:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/pruden.htm
17 posted on 10/24/2003 2:03:44 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: veronica
National Review has always been very wobbly on religious issues. They understand fiscal conservatism, and they finally came around, more or less, on right to life issues, but in spite of Buckley's Catholic background they are weak on the social conservative issues.

You can't build a strong, conservative nation without strong traditional families, respect for life, and respect for religious freedom. And without voluntary religious commitment among your citizens, it will be very difficult to prevent liberal rot and moral sleaze from setting in.
18 posted on 10/24/2003 2:05:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: section9
Yes they did, and I was one of them. To me, their assessment of Boykin was a personal insult to my Christian beliefs.
19 posted on 10/24/2003 3:56:36 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: veronica
Constantine claimed to have seen a vision from God and the heavens...and the rest is our history. We are Western and Christian largely because of that vision. Real or not was the not the point. It is about language and symbolism. The General, like Constantine and the Holy Father over the centuries, was using the symbolism, language ("operational code" to some), and metaphors of the Christian faith to motivate and explain. More than a BILLION Christians around the world understand the language of "miracles" and similar "guiding hand" symbolism. Constantine was not "wacko," as the malicious degenerates at the NR called the General in the retracted note -- he was trying to act as a real leader and motivate (Christians). My proposal is that the anti-Christian, neo-Con, pseudo-Con, Libertarian and subversive CONS that have taken over the editorial and management staff at National Review be sacked!!!!
20 posted on 10/24/2003 11:25:09 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis (.)
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