Posted on 10/24/2003 9:17:07 PM PDT by tomball
....... " Abdurahman Alamoudi, a consultant to the Pentagon on the chaplain program for more than a decade, is now accused of helping Osama bin Laden and Hamas. Court documents filed late Wednesday night claim Alamoudi has provided “financial support to Hamas” and “financial support to fronts for al-Qaida.” One of the groups allegedly tied to Alamoudi is a charity that gave a Virginia post office as its address. Alamoudi was the charity’s vice president. Who founded it? Abdullah bin Laden, Osama bin Laden’s nephew.
Also ringing alarms: Alamoudi’s Palm Pilot, which the government claims included the names and numbers of six designated global terrorists. Terrorism expert and NBC News analyst Steve Emerson said, “The public face of Mr. Alamoudi was 180 degrees different from the private face. And the private face clearly showed that he was involved or directed fund-raising for Hamas, fund-raising for other terrorist groups.”
Over the years, Alamoudi has been a familiar face in Washington.
The Pentagon chose him to help select Muslim chaplains. He met with President Clinton. Made six trips to Muslim nations as a goodwill ambassador for the State Department. Met with presidential candidate George W. Bush. Last year, FBI Director Robert Mueller even spoke to an organization founded by Alamoudi, over the objections of some agents. " ......
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...
PS: I reacted as I did because I don't appreciate being insulted in the early stages of a discussion. To brand someone as "ignorant" after 3-4 sentences of dialogue is, well, ignorant. And arrogant too. And a losing debating tactic, the sign of one who is ill prepared to discuss the facts and more inclined to emotional argument. Kinda like a liberal (which you admit to being, BTW). I for one prefer reasoned dialog. If you can't resist tossing insults after three sentences, I have no interest in discussing/debating anything with you, thanks.
There you go again tossing around weak insults and platitudes. The fact is many on this Forum are extremely well-versed on topics such as this, which discussion over the past many years reveals, newbie (member since 10-19-03).
PS: Your assertion that Jihad refers only to personal spiritual struggle within Islam is patently absurd. It is well documented that Muslim Imams use the term often in exorting their followers to do violence against the unbelievers. Actually, the religious veil in this case is merely a device to influence the ignorant to do their bidding. And what say you about Islamist terrorist organizations that use the term in their own names? (Hint: "Islamic Jihad"). Your arguments seem to be extremely weak to me. And you toss plaititudes and careless insults when people disagree with your positions. That's no way to make it here on FR, newbie. See you around.
Too bad they don't tell anybody.
| Oklamhoma Federal Building==bombed==Christian Fundamentalist. Inquisition==Christian Fundamentalist Crusades=Christian Fundamentalist
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Not so fast. There exists the possibility of an Islamist connection here.
And, rather than go back centries to make the case, let's have a look at this decade alone, shall we?
Twenty (20) of twenty-two (22) active conflicts in thw world today involve non-Muslims being assaulted by Muslims.
The folks who hijacked commercial aircraft and flew them into buildings on September 11, 2001 were Muslim Fundamentalists (or dupes of same).
The folks who are planting bombs constantly throughout the world, especially in Israel, are Muslim Fundamentalists (or dupes of same).
Murder, mayem, violence, and bloodshed have been and continue to be perpetrated throughout the world by Muslim Fundamentalists (or dupes of same). And I will point out the targets are anyone who is not a Muslim, even though these monsters will also kill Muslims in the process without a care.
Look, if your point is that those who wish to practice Islam and live peacably with their neighbors have been wrongly stigmatized with association to these acts I sympathize completely.
To accuse 1B+ for the actions of a small percentage is wrong. But if, as I believe, all religions are but spokes on a wheel to guide souls to the hub, which is God, then the followers of Islam should do a lot more to dispel the current perception by a great many that the actions of those who would wage war and terrorism are not condemned by the "peaceful" Muslims as forcefully as should be. There is a strong foundation for the current perception, my friend.
If you want fictional conspiracy, it's all out there on-line (especially in places low-enough to call it news).
Just don't expect such nonsense to be bought by very many FReepers...
"Harken's good fortune after Mr. Bush joined often has been questioned by political opponents. The firm bested bigger rivals to obtain drilling rights from the Bahrain government in early 1990. But the Bahrain deal did little to improve its short-term finances, which were in a perilous state. The board meeting minutes from that July said the company's primary objective was to "avoid default."The company's response to the crisis is detailed in records recently gathered from the Securities and Exchange Commission and elsewhere by HarvardWatch, a student and alumni group, and the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity.
Harken was already technically in default at that point, according to other company records, because it had failed to abide by equity requirements in loan agreements with its two primary banks. One, Bank of Boston, was demanding immediate payment, but the other, First City Bancorp, agreed to take over Bank of Boston loans. At the time, First City was controlled by Robert Abboud, another supporter of the senior Mr. Bush who attended a White House event 10 days before that bailout's approval. In an interview, Mr. Abboud said Harvard's backing was a key factor in First City's decision to approve the Harken bailout and that it wasn't influenced by his relationship with the then-president.
But that deal still left Harken with crushing debt. At the July 1990 board meeting, Mr. Bush and the other directors decided to "establish a 'joint venture' " with Harvard Management's venture-capital arm, Aeneas Venture Corp., the minutes say. At the next month's meeting, Harken President Mikel Faulkner laid out a proposal to form a partnership withAeneas that would take on much of Harken's debt, moving it off the balance sheet. The proposal also provided Harken with desperately needed cash, in the form of fees to manage the new entity. "After discussion, upon motion being made by Mr. Bush," the minutes say, the board unanimously agreed to open negotiations with Harvard.
A partnership deal was struck shortly thereafter. Harken contributed $20 million in debt and liabilities, plus a group of poorly performing oil-drilling assets valued at $26 million -- many of them in Oklahoma's Anadarko basin -- for a net of $6 million. Harvard's Aeneas contributed $64.5 million of its drilling assets, 91% of the investment, but agreed to accept just 84% of the so-called Harken Anadarko Partnership's earnings.
The deal immediately helped Harken's cash flow, bringing in $100,000 a month in management fees, and drilling and servicing fees of more than $3 million in the first year. Harken also retained cash from a $7.5 million bank loan that the partnership was required to repay.
"It seems to be a simple case of Aeneas bailing out Harken," said Mr. Dharan, an accounting professor at Rice University's Jones Graduate School of Management. Because Harken owned less than 20% of the partnership, it no longer was required under accounting rules to include the debts and assets on its balance sheet. Mr. Dharan argues that a true reflection of Harken's financial health would have included them. In effect, the partnership raised money without taking on new debt.
Still more help from Harvard came in an almost simultaneous deal to extinguish another $16.2 million that Harken owed its Aeneas arm from a previous venture. The company allowed Harken to pay off the note with assets valued at just $14.5 million.
The moves led to a gradual recovery in Harken's stock price, which was $1.25 a share at the end of 1990. In 1991, thanks to the prospect of a Bahrain strike and Harken's much-improved balance sheet, the price topped $8, prompting Harvard to begin selling its Harken shares. It sold 1.63 million shares valued at $7.47 million over the next year.
Current and former Harvard officials declined to comment publicly on the Harken transactions for this story or said they remember little about the matter.
Harken had several connections to Harvard, including business-school diplomas held by Mr. Bush and another Harken board member, Alan Quasha. The person with the most influence over the endowment for decades has been Robert Stone Jr., an oil man on Harvard Management's board whom former Harvard executives described as the driving force behind its energy investments.
It is unclear whether the Bush and Stone families were personally acquainted, but they were politically aligned. A sometime resident -- like the Bush family -- of Greenwich, Conn., and Houston, Mr. Stone was a financial supporter of the senior Mr. Bush when he ran for president in 1979, as was his father, siblings and executives at his oil and gas company. Mr. Stone and his wife, Marion, also contributed to the senior Mr. Bush's successful 1988 run. Over a two-month period, Mr. Stone didn't respond to numerous messages left with the receptionist in his New York office.
-- Scot J. Paltrow and Daniel Golden contributed to this article.
Copyright © 2002 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
That must be news to Aeneas and Harvard!
Really, where do you find such fiction...on shortwave radio programs late at night?!
WABC is on the AM band
emanates from New York City
and the nightly Batchelor Alexander show has a large audience
including Freepers
who enjoy its eclectic line-up of guests
from Left to Right.
Sorry if you didn't like the report I posted.
I report, you decide.
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And I reiterate my point: I know members of our fine military.... where did I ever insinuate that they were "automotons?" I do not know any who waste their breath with the lengths of dissection to which you go to blather on and on about the fine points, differences, interpretations, blah blah blah about the Muslim faith. I can certainly see that this type of micro-analysis would be going on with think tanks and CIA and DIA analysts and those types, but not with our officers out there trying to keep their troops alive and prevent bloodshed and destruction.
With your mindset .. if I were you .. I'd worry about being very vulnerable to being duped, if you really are a warrior, physically fighting the war on terror.
Tell me: what's your test for telling if somone is a fundamentalist??? Especially if they're schooled to "blend in," not stand out, if they're cunning, taught to lie, deceptive, clever at hiding financial resources ... would you have given Mohammed Atta flying lessons ?
You're not making any headway here .. I suggest you go over to a LIBERAL board. This is a CONSERVATIVE board, ultimately devoted to America's survival. Taking the fight to our sworn enemy is the mission .. that is what will be done ..so we can minimize more slaughter in our own cities ... for however long it takes .. with your agreement or not. I'm sorry to say this to a member of our military (as you purport to be) but I'd be rather frightened to depend on you to save my foxhole full of buddies.
But having said this, for some reason I get a strong sense from you that you are full of BS. Possibly this is due to your tactless delivery. Let me give you a hint. If you want to convince somebody of something (e.g. your point of view), you want to avoid insulting their intelligence, eductaion, motivation, etc. in the process, especially at the outset. That you persist in doing so has all but convinced me that you are probably a fraud.
PS: In addition, I have noticed a pattern in your posts. You never addrees the facts raised against your arguments, but persist in attacking the person who takes issue with your point of view (they are ignorant, ranting, etc.). This is especially interesting since your tone is often condescending and hostile. Vas gibs, mein Herr?
Was Hebron you ignoramous and the actions of Baruch Goldstein are nothing compared to Muslim bombings of Israeli civilians. You are an Islamic dupe. A fellow traveler. Did you see the poll yesterday where 58% of Paleostinians favor terror even after they get a state? They have murder in their hearts.
Doing what in particular? If you've been to the Middle East it sure doesn't show.
Roger that!
Seems as though, while obtaining his vast font of knowledge, JB somehow overlooked the Carengie classic "How to Win Friends and Influence People", among hundreds of other earlier and later works by others on the subject. Quite remarkable, for such a sage individual (as he would have us believe). I smell something foul.
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