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Diplomat's `outrage' finds political outlet (Wilson)
Boston Herald | 10/25/03 | Boston Herald editorial

Posted on 10/25/2003 12:35:25 AM PDT by kattracks

Now here's a real political shocker for you. Joseph Wilson, the former diplomat who threw a hissy-fit when his CIA-employed wife was outed in a Robert Novak column, has officially endorsed Sen. John Kerry for president.

Oh, stop the presses!

Wilson was beamed into New Hampshire via a conference call Thursday to make the endorsement official. He'll put in a personal appearance there next month. It had already been revealed that Wilson and his wife, Valerie Plame, had contributed to the Kerry campaign.

Wilson also acknowledged that he has been advising Kerry on foreign policy for about five months. Yes, that would put it before Wilson started criticizing President Bush for the line in his State of the Union message about Iraq seeking uranium from Niger for use in Saddam Hussein's nuclear program. (Wilson was the one sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the charge, but insists he found no evidence of same.)

And, of course, it was before he so very bravely came to the defense of his wife and rashly accused Bush adviser Karl Rove of being the source of the leak. Wilson later retracted the charge, but now that he's an official member of the Kerry team he's not so sure. So he used the occasion of his endorsement of Kerry to impugn the integrity of both Rove and Attorney General John Ashcroft, whose Justice Department is probing the leak of Plame's name.

``The reports that somehow the attorney general, who is very, very close to Mr. Rove, both personally and professionally, is getting daily updates on the status of the investigation strikes me as the potential for at a minimum the appearance of a conflict of interest,'' he said.

Whoever leaked Plame's name should be ousted on the grounds of sheer stupidity alone.

But clearly Wilson has his agenda, has had it for quite some time and all of his righteous indignation ought to be considered accordingly.



TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2004; endorsement; josephwilson; kerry

1 posted on 10/25/2003 12:35:25 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
This guy was an obvious ringer from the word go.
2 posted on 10/25/2003 12:38:33 AM PDT by Az Joe
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To: kattracks; William McKinley; Miss Marple; Wolfstar; Dog
Wilson Ping
3 posted on 10/25/2003 12:40:59 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: kattracks
The person who outed Plame is.......Wilson!

Her maiden name is on his website. Besides, the law only covers covert agents who have been stationed outside the country for the last 5 years. She doesn't qualify. The whole thing is a non-event.

The scandal should be that he was sent to Niger, but he did have some background in that neck of the woods, and he did confirm that Saddam's boys were trying to buy stuff from Niger, but the transaction did not go through.

The famous "16 words" did not reference Wilson, but rather British intelligence, a more reliable source.
4 posted on 10/25/2003 12:48:05 AM PDT by donmeaker (Bigamy is one wife too many. So is monogamy.)
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To: donmeaker
I believe it was Alan Foley..... Valerie Plame's boss. Do a google search on Alan Foley and see if you think it's odd that he announced his resignation as all this got started
5 posted on 10/25/2003 1:14:37 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: donmeaker
The other thing is this.... If Wilson was actually sent to Niger on official business for the CIA, One would think that his OP-ED in the NYT's revealing his mission to Niger would be a violation in itself??????
6 posted on 10/25/2003 1:20:29 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: donmeaker
he did confirm that Saddam's boys were trying to buy stuff from Niger,

He actually confirmed Bush's charge, that Iraq "sought" uranium, but you would not know that to listen to him squeal. Iraq's trade mission to Niger was public information. It doesn't even rely on British intel, its public. No one disputes it. And according to Wilson, according to Tenet, the Iraqis followed that mission with further efforts.

He also claimed that the transaction couldn't take place because the mines are under IAEA inspection. But IAEA says they don't have the personnel to monitor them, and they don't have the legal authority to monitor them. Meaning, they aren't being effectively monitored by IAEA.

Wilson is a liar, and not a very good one. His histrionics only work because no one from the press puts him under any close scrutiny. Before giving him any further credibility, someone should ask him how you investigate uranium sales without auditing company records, interviewing plant personnel, following the trucks to see where they go, staking out the port to see which ships they load in to, and verifying where those ships actually go. How do you do that in a one-week visit in which you never left the capital.

And the CIA should have to answer why they would send someone like this to do a non-investigation. Do they have no assets in Niger devoted to doing this work? Do they have no people on the ground in a West African country that has attracted Al Qaeda interest as a potential refuge, Libyan interest, and is a uranium producer? Is that why the closest thing to a Niger expert they can find is a guy who was there 20 years ago?

I would like to hear some discussion of this apparent admission on their part that we are terribly exposed in that part of the world.

7 posted on 10/25/2003 1:24:58 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron
If you check out George Tenet's testimony in the Senate hearing on this, he says he knew nothing about Wilson's trip to Niger and was not aware of any verbal report of his findings and was not aware that Wilson had ever been asked to go to Niger.

This backs up you and I's suspicion that the real scandal lies in who was behind the decision to send Joe Wilson to Niger to begin with and if his wife's job was so secretive, why would they send a totally unqualified person on a mission concerning something as serious as the proliferation of Nuclear material?

These questions must be asked and considering that Joe Wilson is just looking out for what's best, he should have no problem being placed under oathe and testify on everything he knows? My guess is he will take the 5th if that day ever comes, because when all is said and done we will find out that him and his wife are involved in a political smear campaign that could end up puting a few people in jail

8 posted on 10/25/2003 1:38:53 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: kattracks
Kerry is really out there in the clouds if he thinks that this political hack is going to bring him the votes.

Now could it be that Mr. Wilson was a demwit plant to go gather intel and not really sent by the CIA, but an out and out "LEFT WING CONSPIRACY" to defraud this nation.

So when is CONGRESS going to demand the "NAMES" of these unknown, that selected and sent the Mr. Wilson to go gather intel?

The real scandal is being hidden by what "appears" to be the outing of a "covered agent".



9 posted on 10/25/2003 1:39:34 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: MJY1288
If you really want to scratch your head about this story, Check out what UK's Jack Straw said when asked about their Intel on this matter, Straw admits that they didn't share their Intel with the United States for "Good Reason's, which I explained in closed session"..... Why would the Brits not want to share their intel???? Is it because we knew there was "mole" in the CIA and cut off all intel sharing?..... There wasn't any problem sharing Intel in Operation Enduring Freedom, so why did they decide they couldn't share intel with us on something as simple as Saddam sending a deligation of high level military personel on a trade mission to Niger?????
10 posted on 10/25/2003 1:50:55 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: marron
Post #10 was meant for you
11 posted on 10/25/2003 1:51:50 AM PDT by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: MJY1288
I'll have to re-read some of the material on Tenet. The story of the Iraqi "businessman" trying to meet with Niger officials somes from Wilson by way of Tenet. It was left out of his op-ed piece. Also left out was the trade mission.

This is what bothers me. The trade mission was not a secret, it was effectively public knowledge. That trade mission seals the deal on Bush's remark that Iraq "sought" uranium. There was no need to reference British intel, or anyone else's intel.

So the reference to the Brit's unwillingness to discuss certain intel issues with us regarding Niger is curious. This may have been a reference to supposed French unwillingness to confirm to the US stuff that they had already confirmed to the Brits, according to some things I have read.

The whole thing smells. To confirm "seeking uranium" doesn't require a trip to Niger, as we said, the trade mission is not a secret. To confirm actual transactions, though, would require a real surveillance, some penetration of mining company staff, the tapping of communications. It would require an actual effort. Wilson's trip was not an investigation, it was tourism. And it was tourism he himself exposed with his op-ed. He probably thought he was outing the president, but he was outing the CIA's nakedness in that part of the world.

This is some weird stuff.

I always get a "through the looking glass" sensation with this kind of thing. What is so obvious to us here gets no attention at all in the press. They have all the dots but studiously refuse to connect any of them. When you yourself have finally connected them yourself, you can see in the way stories are written that they are stepping around truths they do not want to address. If they are stepping around them, they know them. Its maddening.
12 posted on 10/25/2003 2:35:51 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron; MJY1288
Not only maddening, but infuriating. On top of that, it is fairly easy to explain what the real scandal is to anyone with an IQ above that of a turnip, so they can't use the excuse that it's "too complicated for the avearage person" like they do on so often.

I had zero trouble explaining this to two gals who work in the nail salon. They were properly curious and outraged about the thing.

I will tell you what else I think. I bet you Wilson and his wife were under internal investigation by the CIA and he went public to keep himself out of jail. I think he figured if he made enough noise, no one would touch him because of looking like it was politically motivated. It is rather like why I think Janet Reno ran for governor of Florida. She had to know that she had zero chance, but as long as she was a candidate no one was going to indict her.

13 posted on 10/25/2003 2:49:13 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: kattracks
So far Novak, Wilson, and TIIME-LIFE (who outed Palme first)
are traitors to the USA. Now we find Wilson
WORKED WITH/FOR KERRY as this was happening.

Yup, that makes Kerry a .......

14 posted on 10/25/2003 3:30:05 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: Miss Marple; Reb Raider; pinz-n-needlez
I heard a news update a couple of days ago that indicated the leak investigation had been expanded to include the CIA and State Department. It would appear that a lot of the speculation expressed here may have a basis in fact.
15 posted on 10/25/2003 8:11:55 AM PDT by Ben Hecks (9-11 was NOT a made-for-TV movie)
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To: Ben Hecks; MJY1288
MJY1288 has the most information on this situation, I think. He has downloaded and printed reams of stuff.

I think he grasped the connections between Wilson and the democrats early, and started looking around to see where Wilson had been.

I noticed that about the expansion of the investigation. My fervent hope is that a lot of embedded Rats are caught in a trap of their own making.

16 posted on 10/25/2003 8:18:45 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Az Joe
"This guy was an obvious ringer from the word go." ~ Az Joe

Novak: The Wilsons for Gore
Townhall.com ^ | 10/05/03 | Robert Novak
Posted on 10/05/2003 12:58 AM EDT by Pokey78
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/995369/posts

WASHINGTON -- On the same day in 1999 that retired diplomat Joseph Wilson was returned $1,000 of $2,000 he contributed to Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore a month earlier because it exceeded the federal limit, his CIA-employee wife gave $1,000 to Gore using a fictitious identification for herself.

In making her April 22, 1999, contribution, Valerie E. Wilson identified herself as an "analyst" with "Brewster-Jennings & Associates." No such firm is listed anywhere, but the late Brewster Jennings was president of Socony-Vacuum oil company a half-century ago. Any CIA employee working under "non-official cover" always is listed with a real firm, but never an imaginary one.

A footnote: In July when he revealed himself as author of a report commissioned by the CIA, Wilson sought a book agent. After being turned down by a prominent agent, he has now found one.
17 posted on 10/25/2003 10:02:53 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: marron; MJY1288; kattracks
"They have all the dots but studiously refuse to connect any of them."

Talking about "connecting the dots", let's not forget the Saudi connection to Wilson.

As Mark Stein pointed out, there are a LOT of people in our government (Wilson, for instance) on the Saudi payroll (See excerpt of his article below). It isn't much of a stretch to figure that people like Sheldon Drobny, co-founder of anshellmedia.com , the new "liberal" radio network, and his like-minded friends running this web site, "makethemaccountable.com", are being pay-rolled by them, too.

Mark Steyn: With friends like the Saudis . . .
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | October 19 2003 | Mark Steyn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003888/posts

Excerpt:

....That would also include the pro-Saudi Middle East Institute, whose "adjunct scholar" is one Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Remember him? He's the fellow at the center of the Bob-Novak-published-the-name-of-my-CIA-wife scandal.

The agency sent him to look into the European intelligence stories about Saddam Hussein trying to buy uranium in Africa. He went to Niger, drank mint tea with government flacks, and then wrote a big whiny piece in the New York Times after the White House declined to accept his assurances there was nothing going on.

He was never an intelligence specialist, he's no longer a "career diplomat," but he is, like so many other retired ambassadors, on the House of Saud's payroll.

And the Saudis were vehemently opposed to war with Saddam.

Think about that. To investigate Saddam's attempted acquisition of uranium, the United States government sent a man in the pay of the Saudi government.

The Saudis set up schools that turn out terrorists.

They set up Islamic lobby groups that put spies in our military bases and terror recruiters in our prisons.

They set up think tanks that buy up and neuter the U.S. diplomatic corps.

And their ambassador's wife funnels charitable donations to the 9/11 hijackers.

18 posted on 10/25/2003 10:43:11 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: Ben Hecks
Thank you for the ping. I expect that this story will be around for a while. And I doubt it will move in directions of Wilson's liking.

The dems will have no one to blame but themselves, though, when it explodes in their faces.

Pinz
19 posted on 10/25/2003 8:08:48 PM PDT by pinz-n-needlez
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To: MJY1288; kattracks; William McKinley; Miss Marple; Wolfstar; Dog
Looky here http://www.restorehonesty.com/
20 posted on 10/26/2003 1:27:56 AM PDT by anglian
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To: anglian
"I am not a partisan."

HA! What a liar!

21 posted on 10/26/2003 3:18:02 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: MJY1288; kattracks; William McKinley; Miss Marple; Wolfstar; Dog
I found this; -DU-Original message
Walter Pincus Monday 7:45 AM C-SPAN's "Washington Journal"


Pincus will be on Washington Journal tomorrow morning for 45 minutes to discuss "Iraqi intelligence" beginning at 7:45 AM. Get your calls ready!
http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=6&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=204&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=15&ShowVidDesc=


22 posted on 10/26/2003 8:12:15 PM PST by anglian
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To: anglian
Thanks for the ping, I'll be listening and will try to call in, listen for a call from Mt Airy MD.
23 posted on 10/26/2003 8:18:32 PM PST by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: marron
What, then, has the CIA actually DONE (after Wilson's little waste of time, money, and effort) to actually verify what has gone on down there??
24 posted on 10/26/2003 8:23:37 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: MJY1288
It would appear that Wilson's wife (seeking money by getting her hubbie some spare change by a foreign trip?) was the one who got HIM the trip as a sub-contract to the CIA.

25 posted on 10/26/2003 8:28:46 PM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: kattracks
This silly stuff was manufactured by Wilson to drum up bids for a book he wants to write. If anyone outted the "sainted" Valerie Plume it was she, her husband and other insiders on the Washington cocktail circuit. In addition to Wilson having listed for some time his wife's maiden name in his offical bio, she made a campaign contribution to Kerry under that name and used the CIA cover business as her place of employment. They outted her then blamed President Bush.
26 posted on 10/26/2003 8:34:09 PM PST by Darlin' ("Americans do not turn away from duties because they are hard...." GWB, 26 Feb 2003)
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To: anglian; Miss Marple
Here is an interesting article by Walter Pincus on June 12th , 2003. Notice how he speaks of an un-named Ambassador, I believe he was setting the stage for Joe Wilson's July 6th, 2003 Op-Ed in the NYT's

Walter Pincus

27 posted on 10/26/2003 8:46:02 PM PST by MJY1288 (This is your tagline "Bush/Cheney04", this is your tagline on drugs "AnyOtherChoice/04")
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To: All

Pincus on Washington Journal tomorrow morning for 45 minutes to discuss "Iraqi intelligence" ON NOW!


CALL-IN NUMBERS
Republican: (202) 585-3880
Dems (202) 585-3881
Others: (202) 585-3882
Fax: (202) 393-3346
28 posted on 10/27/2003 9:14:14 AM PST by anglian
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To: kattracks
This is not news, it just took awhile to filter through to the mainstream press. Wilson was brought into the Kerry campaign by Chris Lehane, who met with Wilson at least five times before he left the Kerry campaign to move to General Clark's campaign. The hyped lies and exaggerations are part of Lehane's signature collection of campaign dirty tricks. We should all remember that Lehane was responsible for the Bush DUI news in late October of 2000, and always be ready for him to pull more lies and personal attacks out of his bag. In this case, according the WSJ, Wilson's wife had not been undercover for the past four years.
29 posted on 10/27/2003 9:26:52 AM PST by Eva
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To: marron

A bump for a review of the Kerry connection to the Joe Wilson lie. Note my old post near the bottom of the thread.


30 posted on 07/15/2004 6:16:37 PM PDT by Eva
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To: kattracks

The Kerry campaign was behind the "Bush Lied" story. Did you forget this article?


31 posted on 07/15/2004 7:54:14 PM PDT by Eva
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To: familyofman

Here's the article. The whole story was a fabrication of the Kerry campaign.


32 posted on 07/15/2004 7:55:51 PM PDT by Eva
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To: kattracks

bump


33 posted on 07/16/2004 7:57:36 AM PDT by Eva
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To: kattracks

It was a lot of long days and short nights. Nothing can really prepare you for a presidential campaign. It's an incredible environment," Lehane said.

Among political insiders, there is speculation that Lehane was responsible for leaking a 27-year-old drunk driving charge against President Bush toward the end of the campaign.

Because the Bush charge was brought in Kennebunkport, Maine -- Lehane's home state -- the leak was connected to him.

He denies being the culprit.


34 posted on 07/16/2004 8:39:07 AM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: billhilly
Please make a call to the Kerry campaign and demand that John Kerry apologize to the President for spreading this lie.

Contact National Headquarters
John Kerry for President, Inc.
P.O. Box 34640
Washington, DC 20043
202-712-3000
202-712-3001 (fax)
202-336-6950 (TTY)

I have another link to an article about Kerry calling for an independent council investigation into the Joe Wilson/Valerie Plame kerfuffle. The arrogance is just overwhelming.
35 posted on 07/16/2004 8:48:17 AM PDT by Eva
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To: MJY1288

Do you remember this article? We know that John Kerry was behind the Joe Wilson lie. Kerry needs to be held responsible.


36 posted on 07/16/2004 9:13:55 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

There are lots of wrinkled old men and women in the press who long since forgave Teddy Kennedy his Kopeckne and more recently, Bill Clinton his Broderick and others, just because their paid vacations on and near Martha's Vineyard were so precious to them, as were the seminars at Harvard and the Kennedy school, presided over by some pompous left wing feel good guru. The media in America grew soft, just like the rest of America did, after WWII. The media demanded and got worship equal to any diety in past centuries. The New Deal was their coming out party, and they ignored and still do, the raw deals and bad deals imposed on us by the liberals.

Thank God, and not Democrats, there have been just enough level headed citizens to correct course from time to time. That has caused the power mongers to resort to trickery and lies, while they have accused the current administration of what? Lies, lying, dishonesty, etc. Just look at the book titles spawned by the left.

Forgive me my rant.


37 posted on 07/16/2004 5:35:28 PM PDT by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU, I trust this post will make you sick)
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To: Matchett-PI

bump


38 posted on 07/16/2004 5:55:25 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva; kattracks

Thanks for resurrecting this great (as usually is the case !!,)kattracks thread Eva !!


39 posted on 07/16/2004 6:22:59 PM PDT by musicman
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To: Eva

Thanks!


40 posted on 07/16/2004 7:59:12 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI

bump


41 posted on 07/18/2004 1:49:23 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

BTTT!!


42 posted on 07/18/2004 3:42:34 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (All DemocRATS are either relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Eva; MeekOneGOP; potlatch; Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; onyx; dixiechick2000; Smartass; Grampa Dave; ...








43 posted on 07/18/2004 4:33:01 PM PDT by devolve (---------------- [--------------Hello from Sunny South Florida-------------)
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To: devolve

Thanks for the bump, I've been trying to attract some attention to this article all week-end.


44 posted on 07/18/2004 6:41:41 PM PDT by Eva
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To: devolve

45 posted on 07/19/2004 7:05:28 PM PDT by potlatch (HECK IS WHERE PEOPLE GO WHO DON'T BELIEVE IN GOSH)
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To: anglian
The Kerry campaign suddenly took down their restorehonesty.com website. It now just takes you to a link on the Kerry campaign website.

The google cache is also gone and there is no record of it on the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.

The Democrats are quite skilled at erasing history.

46 posted on 07/24/2004 7:58:12 AM PDT by kennedy
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To: kattracks

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


47 posted on 07/17/2005 5:27:25 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: donmeaker

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


48 posted on 07/17/2005 5:29:28 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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To: kattracks

Bump!


49 posted on 07/17/2005 5:54:48 PM PDT by F-117A
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To: Miss Marple

I sure hope Limbaugh and the rest see this thread.


50 posted on 07/17/2005 6:56:03 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU and all Mosques in the US,UK.)
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