Libertarians Pursue New Goal: State of Their Own

NYTimes ^ | 10/27/03 | PAM BELLUCK

[jmc813]

Notice how it's the Democrats bitching about the FSP and the Republican governor welcomes them. Should tell you something about the anti-libertarians here on FR.

[jmc813]

You're the one always saying how the "good people" of any given state should set their own course. You should welcome this opportunity for people to go there and make a difference rather than imposing it on your state. If you prefer California's government, you have the right to stay there. Ain't freedom grand?

[jmc813]

The real-world consideration ignored by all Libertarians: foreign enemies out to murder us in our sleep.

And that has what to do wih state politics?

[jmc813]

One is a complete disregard for the need for a strong national defense.

I agree that some of the LP's policies are really, really flawed, to the extent that I refuse to join the party. I prefer to stay in the GOP and support the Republican Liberty Caucus. Please keep in mind that the FSP is NOT a Libertarian Party effort, and liberty-minded folks from all parties are welcome to join.

[RISU]

You do not need to move to NH to be one of them. Just turn your back on those who are not "Americans". Do not speak to them, do not help them, do not buy anything off them. Just turn your back on evil, corruption, superfical hollywood type crap, etc., and turn your face to God and the good. Love your kids, which means "pay attention" to them, and live life. The crud will drop away.

[Tall_Texan]

[jmc813]

This isn't a Bush picture thread.

[RightWhale]

Keene has families who have been there 250 years. It won't be possible to be accepted in the first generation.

[robertpaulsen]

"because I think it will make things worse rather than better (in the real world)."

True. But one of the reasons that Canada can dick around with socialized medicine, and Mexico can run a corrupt government, is that the US is right here to bail them out.

Dittos with NH. Expect your federal tax dollars to start flowing their way.

[freeeee]

Expect your federal tax dollars to start flowing their way.

FSP has explicitly stated that one of its goals is to reject federal money and the strings attached to it. But hey, lets not let the facts get in the way.

[robertpaulsen]

"As the other poster said, there are many, many libertarians who wish to change a few parts of our platform. Open borders is a big one."

And drugs?

Or do you "believe in no gun control and a heavily armed populace on drugs"?

"Come to New Hampshire (BANG), dude!"

[freeeee]

Hate to break this to you, but it's a safe bet one of your gun owning neighbors has a bottle of whiskey in his kitchen.

Better go hide under the bed!

[RJCogburn]

Dittos with NH. Expect your federal tax dollars to start flowing their way.

That silly comment makes me wonder if you are doing your own med-mari ;^)

[Cultural Jihad]

Well said. People can and do vote with their feet all the time. It doesn't make it any less ludicrous, though, when the reasons are to impose their toleration of evil upon their neighbors.

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[headsonpikes]

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[bc2]

You already know what I believe.

I believe that peaceful people should be able to make their own decisions as to what substances to put in their bodies, and what firearms they should own. When criminal actions such as force or fraud are committed under the influence of drugs, or with the aid of a weapon, then criminal charges must be filed against the individual responsible.

But of course this doesn't fit in with your philosophy of control and being a nanny.

[Jack Black]

The dream ended when the king of Tonga, at the head of what news reports at the time described as a 'war canoe' arrived, claimed the atoll for his kingdom, and drove the new country project people away.

I believe he had US support for this, like the war canoe went on a destroyer or something. The USA has a lot invested in preventing break away polities they do not control.

[archy]

The real-world consideration ignored by all Libertarians: foreign enemies out to murder us in our sleep.

And that has what to do with state politics?

Well, to be fair, it's a possible consideration for those in California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Texas.