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DEMOCRAT DEBATE FACT CHECK - Democrats Gather In Detroit To Pander, Mislead And Get The Facts Wrong
Republican National Committee ^ | 27 October 2003 | RNC Research

Posted on 10/27/2003 10:07:58 AM PST by PhiKapMom

DEMOCRAT DEBATE FACT CHECK

Democrats Gather In Detroit To Pander, Mislead And Get The Facts Wrong

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DEAN ON CUTTING U.S. TROOP PAY

Dean Claims:

Dean Claims Bush Attempted To Cut Troop Pay. DEAN: “I made it clear that we needed to support our troops unlike President Bush who tried to cut combat pay after they’d been over there and doubled their tour of duty.” (Fox News/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Candidate Debate, Detroit, MI, 10/26/03)

But Fact Is:

Undersecretary Of Defense For Personnel & Readiness David Chu Confirms Compensation Will Not Be Reduced. CHU:“I’d just like very quickly to put to rest what I understand has been a burgeoning rumor that somehow we are going to reduce compensation for those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is not true. We are not going to reduce their compensation. … What I’m saying on the record for Iraq and Afghanistan, absolutely yes, we are going to continue compensation for those folks.” (Department Of Defense, Press Conference, 8/14/03)

DEAN ON CUTTING VETERANS’ HEALTH CARE

Dean Claims:

Dean Claims Bush Attempted To Cut Health Care Benefits For Veterans. DEAN: “I made it clear that we needed to support our troops … Unlike President Bush who tried to cut - who successfully cut 164,000 veterans off health care benefits.” (Fox News/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Candidate Debate, Detroit, MI, 10/26/03)

But Fact Is:

There Were No Veterans Cut Off Health Care. Veterans Affairs Secretary Principi Suspended Enrollment Of New Priority Group 8 Veterans, Who Have No Military Service-Related Disabilities And Higher Incomes. (Department Of Veterans Affairs, Press Release, 1/17/03)

Congress Mandates By Law That VA Manage Hospital And Outpatient Care Within Budgetary Limits, And Decide Annually Whether To Maintain Enrollment For Veterans. (Department Of Veterans Affairs, Press Release, 1/17/03)

CLARK ON BEING CONSISTENT ON IRAQ

Clark Claims:

Clark: “I think I’ve been very consistent from the beginning [on Iraq].” (Fox News/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Candidate Debate, Detroit, MI, 10/26/03)

But Fact Is:

October 2002: Clark Indicated His Support For Use Of Force Resolution And Said He Would Advise Congressmen To Vote For It. “Retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark said Wednesday he supports a congressional resolution that would give President Bush authority to use military force against Iraq, although he has reservations about the country’s move toward war. Clark … endorsed Democrat Katrina Swett in the 2nd District race. He said if she were in Congress this week, he would advise her to vote for the resolution, but only after vigorous debate.” (Stephen Frothingham, “Gen. Clark Supports Swett, Raises Concerns About Iraq Policy,” The Associated Press, 10/9/02)

February 2003: Clark Said “Rest Of The World’s Got To Get With Us” On Iraq. “The credibility of the United States is on the line, and Saddam Hussein has these weapons and so, you know, we’re going to go ahead and do this and the rest of the world’s got to get with us. ... [T]he U.N. has got to come in and belly up to the bar on this. But the president of the United States has put his credibility on the line, too. And so this is the time that these nations around the world, and the United Nations, are going to have to look at this evidence and decide who they line up with.” (CNN, 2/5/03)

April 2003: As Saddam’s Statue Fell, Clark Praised President Bush And Prime Minister Blair For Going Forward Despite Some International Opposition. “Can anything be more moving than the joyous throngs swarming the streets of Baghdad? Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back. Statues and images of Saddam are smashed and defiled. … President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt. And especially Mr. Blair, who skilfully [sic] managed tough internal politics, an incredibly powerful and sometimes almost irrationally resolute ally, and concerns within Europe. Their opponents, those who questioned the necessity or wisdom of the operation, are temporarily silent, but probably unconvinced.” (Wesley Clark, Op-Ed, “What Must Be Done To Complete A Great Victory,” The [London] Times, 4/10/03)

August 2003: Clark Ducked Question On How He Would Have Voted On Iraq Resolution. CNN’s BOB NOVAK: “But if you were in the Congress, either the Senate or the House, when this resolution came up authorizing President Bush to use force against Iraq, how would you have voted, yes or no? You can’t vote maybe. Yes or no on that one?” CLARK: “Well, first of all, I think the resolution was flawed, because I don’t think the president needed the authority to go to war without coming back to the Congress. So had I been a member of Congress, I would have wanted to give the president a good strong resolution to go to the United Nations. And then I would have wanted the president to come back and demonstrate to Congress and the American people that every last effort had been made before it was necessary to resort to the use of force. That wasn’t done in this case.” NOVAK: “So you would be the same as Senator Kerry and Congressman Gephardt? You vote yes, but then you start dancing when a few -- when you have some casualties in Iraq? Is that fair?” CLARK: “I’m not dancing. I’m not dancing one bit. I’m telling you exactly what was wrong with that resolution. That resolution was a carte blanche to the administration to go to the U.N. and then do what they wanted.” (CNN’s “Crossfire,” 8/1/03)

One Day After Becoming Candidate, Clark Says He Would Have Voted For Use Of Force Resolution. “‘At the time, I probably would have voted for it [Use of Force Authorization], but I think that’s too simple a question,’ General Clark said. A moment later, he said: ‘I don’t know if I would have or not. I’ve said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position - on balance, I probably would have voted for it.’ ... At one point, [Clark’s Press Secretary Mary] Jacoby interrupted the interview … to make certain that General Clark’s views on the original Iraq resolution were clear. ‘I want to clarify - we’re moving quickly here,’ Ms. Jacoby said. ‘You [Clark] said you would have voted for the resolution as leverage for a U.N.-based solution.’ ‘Right,’ General Clark responded. ‘Exactly.’” (Adam Nagourney, “Clark Says He Would Have Voted for War,” The New York Times, 9/19/03)

Two Days After Becoming Candidate, Clark Said He “Never Would Have Voted For War.” “‘I never would have voted for war,’ Clark … said during an interview with The Des Moines Register. Reports published Friday quoted Clark as saying he probably would have supported the resolution.” (Thomas Beaumont, “Clark Says He Wouldn’t Have Voted For War,” The Des Moines Register, 9/20/03)

CLARK ON GEN. HUGH SHELTON’S COMMENTS

Clark Claims:

Clark Calls Gen. Hugh Shelton’s Charge “McCarthyism.” “We used to call charges like that McCarthyism when they came out in the 1950’s. … Why Hugh Shelton would say [what he said] now, I have no idea. … But if anybody knows, would you please let me know.” (Fox News/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Candidate Debate, Detroit, MI, 10/26/03)

But Fact Is:

Another General Said Clark’s Military Solutions Were “Problematic, Even ‘Goofy,’” And He Is “Highly Manipulative.” “While his strategic analysis is ‘almost infallible,’ his command solutions tended to be problematic, even ‘goofy,’ [One retired four-star general] said, ‘and he pushed them even when they weren’t going to work.’ The general said Clark ‘needs to win, right down to the core of his fiber,’ which tends to make him ‘highly manipulative.’” (Vernon Loeb, “A Fast Climber Who Has Made Some Enemies,” The Washington Post, 9/17/03)

Clark Had Tendency To Act Without Authority. “General Wesley K. Clark, who served first as CINCSOUTH and subsequently as CINCEUR and SACEUR, described his approach [to dealing with civilian superiors] this way: ‘Never ask “Mother, may I,” unless you know the answer.’” (Andrew Bacevich, American Empire, 2002, p. 180)

Lieberman Took Clark To Task For Overstepping His Authority. “There’s some feeling here that perhaps you’ve taken actions of the military under your command generally as SACEUR, NATO chief, have taken actions that may be outside of their authority or outside of the mandate that Congress has given you.” (Sen. Joe Lieberman [D-CT], Committee On Armed Services, U.S. Senate, Hearing, 6/4/98)

Clark “Unable To Fulfill” Command Responsibilities. “[Clark] described himself as occupying ‘the cockpit of strategic command,’ uniquely situated at the nexus of political and military concerns and obliged to tend to both. As events would show, it was a position whose responsibilities he was unable to fulfill.” (Andrew Bacevich, American Empire, 2002, p. 182)

Several Air Force Generals Described Clark As “Intemperate” Under “Pressure” Of Kosovo Conflict. Some top Air Force generals are … criticizing Army Gen. Wesley Clark, NATO’s supreme commander. Like some lawmakers … they harbor fears that Clark is becoming ‘intemperate’ in the face of pressure and are shocked at his gung-ho suggestion of bombing Russian tankers in the event they continue to transport fuel to Montenegrin ports.” (Jamie Dettmer, “Kosovo Ground War,” Insight On The News , 5/24/99)

Clark Micromanaged Field Commanders. “Commanders in Bosnia, and later in Kosovo, complained that General Clark would micromanage from his headquarters in Belgium the tactical details of missions usually left to commanders on the ground. ‘It was tenuous at times,’ said Maj. Gen. David Grange, who is retired now but who headed the First Infantry Division in Bosnia and Kosovo. ‘He did get into the weeds.’” (Katharine Q. Seelye and Eric Schmitt, “Clark’s Military Record Offers Campaign Clues,” The New York Times, 9/21/03)

EDWARDS ON CLINTON ADMINISTRATION’S
“PROGRESS” IN NORTH KOREA

Edwards Says:

Edwards Prefers Clinton Administration Approach To North Korea. “If you watch what happened, the Clinton administration was actually engaged, making progress.” (Fox News/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Candidate Debate, Detroit, MI, 10/26/03)

But Fact Is:

But Nuclear Program May Have Started Under Clinton. “An administration source said [Assistant Secretary of State James] Kelly ... raised with North Korea evidence that Pyongyang may have a uranium-enrichment program. The program, which the United States believes would only be used to develop a nuclear bomb, began under the Clinton administration, according to the official. Surprisingly, North Korea confirmed the allegation.” (George Gedda, “North Korea Acknowledges Secret Weapons Program,” The Associated Press, 10/16/02)

But Program Began In “Mid- Or Late-1990’s.” “If the North Korean assertions are true ... the government of Kim Jong Il began in the mid- or late-1990’s a secret, parallel program to produce weapons-grade material from highly enriched uranium.” (David E. Sanger, “North Korea Says It Has A Program On Nuclear Arms,” The New York Times, 10/17/02)

DEAN ON MIDDLE-CLASS TAX CUTS

Dean Claims:

Dean Claims Middle Class Did Not Get Big Tax Cut. DEAN: “What you need to do is get rid of every dime of the Bush tax cut. Some think we should keep the middle class tax cuts? What middle class tax cuts? Average 67 percent of the people got a $354 tax cut.”(Fox News/Congressional Black Caucus Democrat Candidate Debate, Detroit, MI, 10/26/03)

But Fact Is:

Repealing Bush Tax Cuts Would Cost The Average American Family Thousands. “[A] seven-page analysis, by the Treasury Department’s Office of Tax Analysis, asserts that repealing the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and last month would mean a tax hike of $1,933 for a married couple with two children and an income of $40,000. Their taxes would go from $45 to $1,978, for an increase of 4,296 percent ...” (Mike Allen, “Bush Cities The Cost Of Tax-Cut Repeal,” The Washington Post, 6/23/03)

Even Sen. Kerry Admits Repealing Tax Cuts Would Raise Taxes For Average Family Of Four. “Mr. Kerry said some Democrats ‘are so angry at George Bush and his unfair tax cuts’ that they would repeal them entirely, adding $2,000 to the tax burden of a family of four …”(David Halbfinger, “Kerry Advocates Repealing Some Tax Cuts,” The New York Times, 8/29/03)


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KEYWORDS: 2004; democratdebate; democrats; iraq; korea; lies; pander
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More of the lies from the Left's Presidential candidates!
1 posted on 10/27/2003 10:07:59 AM PST by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom
I love these debates. Every one self writes a new republican commercial.
2 posted on 10/27/2003 10:10:43 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: MeeknMing; onyx; JohnHuang2; Dog Gone; Dog; isthisnickcool; OKSooner; VOA; mhking; Reagan Man; ...
More lies from the left's Presidential candidates. Please click on the link below to donate to Bush-Cheney '04 to take on and counter these lies by the democRATs!


3 posted on 10/27/2003 10:10:59 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
Pandering is the key word, that's for sure. I'm still shaking my head at Kucinich, literally on his knees for votes from the mentally ill.


4 posted on 10/27/2003 10:12:04 AM PST by JoJo Gunn (Liberalism - Better Living through Histrionics ©)
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To: Semper Paratus
LOL!!!! Hard to buy this kind of ads for why not to vote for a whole group of democRATs too!
5 posted on 10/27/2003 10:12:44 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
BM
6 posted on 10/27/2003 10:13:49 AM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: PhiKapMom
The RATS Are In Disarray ~ Eradicate The Rodents!

Fire Democrats ~ Hire Republicans!

7 posted on 10/27/2003 10:14:53 AM PST by blackie
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To: PhiKapMom
I am amazed that these people act as if their assertions will not be checked out.
8 posted on 10/27/2003 10:15:23 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: PhiKapMom
Is "I've been consistent on Iraq" Weasley Clark a comedian or just the second Rhodes Scholar and LIAR from Arkansas to run for the presidency?
9 posted on 10/27/2003 10:16:24 AM PST by onyx
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To: PhiKapMom
While flipping through the stations on the TV on Sunday morning, I came across the gruesome visage of Terry McAuliffe. He was on some show called Black American Forum or something like that.

Talk about defensive!! They put him on the spot for his record in FL in 2002 and recently in CA. He was fumbling and reciting the usual Dem talking points (litany of liberal lies; LLL), but in the end, came out looking like a fool.

He was nothing by effusive in his praise of the Dem candidated for president, but the feeling we had at the end of this show was that he was going to drop the ball again.

10 posted on 10/27/2003 10:16:41 AM PST by SpinyNorman
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To: PhiKapMom
My favorite part was when Dick Gephardt, passionately, said something like: "what we need is more consumers, not just producers".

I almost fell out of my bed laughing at that one. This should be the themesong of the Democrats!
11 posted on 10/27/2003 10:23:49 AM PST by zencycler
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To: JoJo Gunn
Trying to decide if that's a dove or a French Pullet. Too bad the stylized flag wasn't the French Tr-Color then I'd know that it was a "Chicken."
12 posted on 10/27/2003 10:29:19 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: zencycler
ROFLOL!!! Makes you wonder what they have for brains!
13 posted on 10/27/2003 10:31:43 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: SpinyNorman
Thanks for the Update! That's funny about McAuliffe!
14 posted on 10/27/2003 10:32:52 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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To: PhiKapMom
The dims lie so much we ought to keep a running total of the lies told -- kind of like the national debt thingy they had a few years back. It's the kind of thing that could drive a stake into the heart of the dim party. I bet just from the start of this year, the total runs past 10,000.
15 posted on 10/27/2003 10:50:54 AM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: All
This is very encouraging. Gillespie has done an amazing job getting our message out. '04 is going to be a slaughter.
Even 03 will be pretty good. Just think a week from tomorrow, we will have 3 more republican governors than we had a month ago.

Too bad about la.
16 posted on 10/27/2003 10:53:24 AM PST by genghis
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To: PhiKapMom
I liked the question the RUSH haiting person asked Ted Kennedy about how rich and famous people get off of crimes and poor kids go to jail. I'll met this guy applauded when O.J. got off too. What a bunch of hypocrites.
17 posted on 10/27/2003 10:53:36 AM PST by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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To: PhiKapMom
FoxNews transcript of last night's Demonrat debate in 3 parts


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101269,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101270,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,101274,00.html

18 posted on 10/27/2003 11:21:46 AM PST by GeorgiaYankee (Ramadan really started with a Bang this year! Gotta love that Religion o' Peace!)
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To: JoJo Gunn; PhiKapMom; yall
Kucinich is a real 'Wiener' alright.

And there is NO END of junk coming out of IndyMedia. The same folks that sponsor your pic there (IndyMedia) ...

http://www.chapelhill.indymedia.org/uploads/to_surrender_is_partriotic_too.gif
(Notice the typo 'Partriotic') ...

Were boasting about this one too ...

Here is my 'canned' post about that pic ...

Here is a link to the SF-IMC site where these FAR LEFT LIBERALS posted an actual pic (above) of one of their Support Saddam/Terrorists events recently and changed the image when I posted/linked it to an FR thread. The pic at the top of that link of 2 Allied Soldiers transporting a prisoner to Gitmo was what they changed it to . . .

These folks at San Francisco Indy-Media are terrorist supporters . . .

Oh, the lurkers on FR from SF-IMC CANNOT change that picture (above) now since it is hosted by FR friendly sources !


19 posted on 10/27/2003 11:39:42 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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20 posted on 10/27/2003 11:42:47 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Check out the Texas Chicken D 'RATS!: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/keyword/Redistricting)
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