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The Internet Taxman Cometh
NewsMax ^ | 10/29/03 | Christine Hall

Posted on 10/29/2003 12:01:52 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Accessing the Internet may cost something extra after November 1, the date a federally imposed tax moratorium expires. The five-year moratorium has prevented states and localities from levying taxes on Internet dial-up or broadband connections, but, as U.S. News reports, cash-hungry states are looking for revenue, and retailers have little reason to help consumers skirt taxation.

While the House in September passed a bill to continue the ban, if the Senate fails to act on a bill (S. 150) authored by Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), new Internet taxes could go into effect between the time Congress adjourns (likely in November) and returns in January.

Sen. Ron Wyde (D-Ore.), one of the principal proponents of the moratorium, has accused some state and local officials of trying to change the definition of "Internet access" in order to find new ways to tax.

"In doing so, what it would do is give States and localities explicit permission to tax what Internet users do once they get on line," Wyden said in an October 15 floor speech.

"That would mean you could have games, music, magazines, newspapers, information services, financial services, research services, or other products of services, in effect, facing a barrage of new taxes," Wyden argued.

"The phrase 'you've got mail' would be replaced with 'you owe taxes,'" Wyden quipped.

Sens. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) and Maria [not Marie] Cantwell (D-Wash.), among others, have placed a procedural "hold" on the Senate bill amid concerns over state budget deficits.

Alexander on Friday called the no-tax plan sponsored by Democrat Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Republican George Allen (Va.) the "worst kind of unfunded mandate."

"If you limit Tennessee's ability to have a broad-based sales tax, then you are increasing the chances Tennessee has an income tax or a higher tax on medicine or food. Or higher college tuition for families to pay," Alexander explained.

Taxpayer groups like Americans for Tax Reform are fighting for the moratorium to be continued.

ATR President Grover Norquist said Internet taxes would hurt consumers. He contends that backers of the hold are "supporting taxes on Internet access and e-mail, as well as double-taxation of a product or service bought over the Internet."

Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) is insisting on changes to the moratorium. The state of Ohio stands to lose a lot of existing tax revenue from phone taxes, Voinovich believes, unless the bill's language is clarified. The problem stems from an overly broad definition of telecommunications services that could encompass future Internet-based telephone services, Voinovich fears.

Ohio Republican Gov. Bob Taft wrote Voinovich a letter estimating that extending the moratorium would cost the state $350 million, but such cost estimates vary.

Nationwide, the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that extending and expanding the moratorium will deprive states of $80 to $120 million in taxes annually. But the Multistate Tax Commission has said states are likely to forego between $4 billion and $9 billion in 2006 alone.

John Berthoud of the National Taxpayers Union (NTU) says it's just politicians looking to tax their way out of a problem. "The bottom line is that these guys just want more money," Berthoud said.

"Internet use is already taxed through the burdens that states and localities impose on phone and cable bills," added the NTU's Paul Gessing. Congress shouldn't allow new Internet access taxes or multiple-state taxation of a single item purchased online, Gessing believes, because "it amounts to double jeopardy."

Another obstacle to be overcome is the differences in state and local taxation - there are almost 8,000 different tax-collecting jurisdictions.

As U.S. News reports: "Cough drops, for example, are taxable in Massachusetts but not in Maryland, while in Ohio a gift basket of fruit is not taxed though a crystal dish filled with candy is. Cloth diapers in Wisconsin? Tax exempt. Disposable ones? Taxable." Not to mention the city taxes on top of state taxes ...

How will all of this be overcome? States are promising more uniformity of product definitions and taxable vs. non-taxable items, and, special software will instantly calculate taxes based on the zip code of the buyer.

The bottom line? Patti Freeman Evans of Jupiter Research said, "Consumers are used to paying tax." Albeit not on the Internet - it seems all good things indeed must end.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bs; internet; internettaxes; tax; taxreform

1 posted on 10/29/2003 12:01:52 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Booooooo!!!
2 posted on 10/29/2003 12:05:04 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Throw the taxers out of office.
3 posted on 10/29/2003 12:06:46 PM PST by Mini-14
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The explosive growth of the internet is the best example of a free market system at work. When government stays out, the market booms!

Add Alexander and Voinavitch to the solid RINO category.

4 posted on 10/29/2003 12:09:26 PM PST by Xthe17th (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/repeal17)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
DAMN POLITICIANS!!! CAN WE ALL JUST AGREE TO NO LONGER PAY TAXES AND FORCE THE POLITICIANS TO CHANGE?
5 posted on 10/29/2003 12:12:24 PM PST by YoungKentuckyConservative
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hey can you blame Uncle Socialist for wanting more? He only gets 60% and why not grab the other 40% by gunpoint. Uncle Socialist has many great plans for us pions and he needs more and more money for those plans.
6 posted on 10/29/2003 12:21:29 PM PST by Isolationist
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Got ideas for action?
7 posted on 10/29/2003 12:29:56 PM PST by Eala (FR Trad Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican - Proud member VIOC)
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To: Mini-14
"Throw the taxers out of office."

It's the only way to stop this. If they remain in office, they will tax the internet out of existence, while losing all the revenue they would have otherwise gotten from those web-based businesses that will fold.

8 posted on 10/29/2003 12:30:51 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What a way to 'F' up a good thing(the internet)!!!!
9 posted on 10/29/2003 12:31:09 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Email Tax 'Bill 602P' coming soon...1 Nov 2003..??

10 posted on 10/29/2003 12:32:47 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Wolverine
What's Bush's take on an Internet tax?

The last I heard, he was against it.

11 posted on 10/29/2003 12:36:31 PM PST by demlosers
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To: demlosers
I don't know....Rep Cox (CA) was on the radio saying the House has passed an extention of the current law. We have to push the Senate to vote the current law extention.

If this extention is not passed...'Katy bar the door' on new taxes.!

12 posted on 10/29/2003 1:10:33 PM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
the taxes on voice over IP are inevitable, they will be identical with the taxes on traditional phone services.

its the sales taxes that are the killer, those are still not possible on out of state purchasers because of supreme court decisions. essentially, if congress allows those, its the first step towards a new national sales tax.
13 posted on 10/29/2003 1:15:23 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview
I haven't read what I consider to be the most crucial aspect, how would taxation affect the conservative media monopoly of internet and how valuable is that to our congressional representatives, let alone us?
14 posted on 10/29/2003 1:25:54 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: OXENinFLA
What a way to 'F' up a good thing(the internet)!!!!

I am a bookkeeper. I cannot even fathom the paperwork this would do to a business. The blizzard of paper and the cost to accurately provide it to every possible taxing entity would make me seriously think about closing the doors. For sure, I would cease doing any business on the net. The dot-com bubble burst hard enough a couple of years ago, but this will put the final wooden stake in any future growth.
15 posted on 10/29/2003 2:16:57 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: Xthe17th
As a Tennessean I can assure you that Lamar Alexander is a true blue RINO. He is left of many Democrats down here. Unfortunately the State party is controlled by RINOs and voted for him over a true conservative, former congressman Ed Bryant.
16 posted on 10/29/2003 2:19:59 PM PST by JDGreen123
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To: YoungKentuckyConservative
Let them pay for their own healthcare like we do as private citizens. Let the congressman who served in the military rely on the same VA Benefits as we do. Betcha they change the system real fast if they have to live like real people, real Honarable Americans...do you think not?
17 posted on 10/29/2003 2:57:52 PM PST by alternatediscourse (Magnificent Seven - 1 of 7 - Ghosts)
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To: ridesthemiles
I am a bookkeeper. I cannot even fathom the paperwork this would do to a business. The blizzard of paper and the cost to accurately provide it to every possible taxing entity would make me seriously think about closing the doors. For sure, I would cease doing any business on the net. The dot-com bubble burst hard enough a couple of years ago, but this will put the final wooden stake in any future growth.

Yeah, I sure hope this point will be brought up during the congressional debate.

But rest assure a democrat will suggest that THE GOV'T supply a program (shall we call it the KILLINGTHEINTERNET Version 1) that would be handed out "free" (don't laugh) to anyone that needs one when they get a new computer or when the patches/upgrades/lifesuckingtaxesforPORK are needed.

18 posted on 10/29/2003 3:45:36 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: oceanview
"the taxes on voice over IP are inevitable, they will be identical with the taxes on traditional phone services."

I already pay taxes on my telephone, whether its voice, fax or dial-up service. This crap is nothing more than double taxation. Time to start dumping tea again.

19 posted on 10/29/2003 5:04:51 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
BTTT!!!!!!
20 posted on 10/30/2003 5:52:10 AM PST by E.G.C.
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