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Two hints:

1) This would be a very bad thread in which to engage in flamebaiting or flamewarring.

2) Trying to guess my views based on the article's content is just going to make you look foolish. A few have tried despite this caution. For what purpose, I have no idea but I do know that it isn't going to help.

Posted to news because of the relevance to news events and because of the news items regarding faith based initiatives.

1 posted on 10/31/2003 4:18:47 AM PST by Dales
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To: Right Wing Professor
Oh, now this looks like a good thread.

You knew this was coming, didn't you?

2 posted on 10/31/2003 4:37:58 AM PST by Physicist
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To: PatrickHenry
Ping.
3 posted on 10/31/2003 4:39:30 AM PST by Physicist
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To: longshadow
From the article:
"I have no inside information, but I wonder if the committee was swayed by the fact that Damadian, although a brilliant inventor, is apparently a creation science nut. ..."

Very interesting.

5 posted on 10/31/2003 7:23:04 AM PST by PatrickHenry (A soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger. Or try "Virtual Ignore.")
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To: Dales
I like to take Damadian at his word on this one. Quoting an interview with the Wall Street Journal.

"If I had not been born, would MRI have existed? I don't think so. If Lauterbur had not been born? I would have gotten there. Eventually."

That's clearly an admission that he did not invent MRI. Nobel Prizes are not awarded to people who think they would have made the discovery eventually, had the actual discoverer not gotten there first.

I've been aware of the history of this controversy for the last 20 years. I have been in the field of magnetic resonance since 1977, and attended a seminar by Peter Mansfield in that year or 1978 (I forget), reporting some of the first MRI results. I succeeeded Lauterbur at SUNY Stony Brook, and took over his lab space (unfortunately, with far less success). I know most of the principals in the case, including the people with whom Lauterbur 'talked through' his ideas. I have no doubt of his originality and priority in this discovery.

Damadian's contribution was to show that tumors had different relaxation properties than surrounding tissue; however, he did not invent any imaging technique within the commonly understood meaning of the term. His best idea was to move a coil around the body to try to localize signals. The idea that magentic resonance distinguishes between tumors and healthy tissue undoubtedly motivated Lauterbur to go look for a way to image objects using magnetic resonance, but the imaging method itself was entirely his. Of course, MRIs are used for a whole host of other medical diagnostic purposes now, not merely tumors.

As for his Christianity; I doubt that very many of us in the field who discount his role in the invention of MRI (while acknowledging his early attempts to apply NMR to medicine) knew of Damadian's religion or his belief in Creationism. I certainly did not, and it has never come up in any discussion with my peers in which I participated.

13 posted on 10/31/2003 8:05:45 AM PST by Right Wing Professor (Lord High Executioner to the Court of the Mikado)
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Amazing.

Four threads up in two days. Over 400 replies made on them.

Not a single abuse report. Not a single 'ping' to the moderators about abuse. Not a single email about abuse.

You know what that tells me?

It tells me that there was never a reason for all the crap that usually goes on in these threads. Good. Let's keep it this way.

30 posted on 10/31/2003 10:43:43 AM PST by Dales
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