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Roll Over Chuck Berry: Oldies Radio Moves Into the '70s
TBO ^ | 10/31/03 | Jonathan Salant

Posted on 10/31/2003 11:52:53 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

ROCKVILLE, Md. (AP) - One of the surest ways to feel older is to listen to the radio and hear songs from your childhood - or, even worse, your adulthood - described as "oldies." If over the years it seems those songs have gotten newer while you've gotten older, it's not your imagination. Oldies radio stations that once featured songs from the 1950s and '60s now play songs from the '70s.

"Radio is an ever-changing thing, especially an oldies station," said Jeff Gold, a 44-year-old DJ whose build and voice personify his station's call letters, WBIG.

"As the years go by, newer songs become oldies. That's just the nature of the beast," said Gold, known as "Goldy" to his listeners in the Washington area.

So roll over Chuck Berry and make way for Fleetwood Mac. Your music hasn't lost its appeal to listeners. But advertisers? That's another story.

Advertisers covet the 25-to-54 age group. The first baby boomers - the generation born right after World War II and the primary audience for oldies music - are pushing 60.

"This is Marketing 101," said Dick Bartley, who hosts two nationally syndicated oldies programs, "Rock & Roll's Greatest Hits" and "American Gold." "The oldies format is doing what every business has to do - follow your demographic."

So as radio stations seek to attract advertisers, it's increasingly difficult for fans of 1950s and early '60s rock to find those tunes on the dial. A study by Coleman, a North Carolina media research firm, found the vast majority of oldies stations in the 50 largest markets are playing more modern music than they did three years ago.

"The only reason that our oldies stations have moved into the late '60s and '70s is the advertisers are telling us we have to do it in order for them to place business on our radio stations," said Marty Thompson, operations manager at KQOL in Las Vegas and director of oldies programming for Clear Channel, the nation's largest chain with 1,200 stations, including WBIG.

The oldies format began in the early 1970s, as then-less-popular FM stations tried to distinguish themselves from the Top 40 AM giants, according to E. Alvin Davis, a Cincinnati-based radio consultant who specializes in oldies stations. Among the earliest: WCAU-FM (now WOGL-FM) in Philadelphia and WCBS-FM in New York City.

By the '80s, almost every major city had a full-time oldies station. In recent years, the industry definition of oldies changed to include all of the '70s.

"As with the format when it originally came about, the whole genesis was to play music that was older," said Tim Maranville, program director at KOOL in Phoenix and vice president for oldies programming at Infinity Broadcasting, which owns 120 stations. "These songs are growing into our format. As an oldies person, the '70s don't bother me because there was some wonderful music in the '70s."

But the newer music has turned off some longtime listeners. Indeed, a new study by Coleman found oldies fans abandoning stations in direct proportion to the amount of '70s music on the air.

That includes people like Joe Barnard, 61, of Fairfax Station, Va., who said he now listens to compact discs or cassette tapes because he can't hear '50s songs on the radio.

"I have nothing against '70s music," he said. "It's just not the music I'm interested in hearing. My real interest in music began in the '50s. I still want to hear '50s music."

Jenny McCaw, 54, of Alexandria, Va., agreed. "The Eagles are a good group, but they're not '50s and they're not old enough to be oldies," she said.

Alan Lee hosts a Sunday evening '50s program on Baltimore oldies station WQSR and owns record stores in Silver Spring, Md., and Baltimore that specialize in oldies music. He said there still is a market for traditional oldies because, "For whatever reason, people tend to be fond of music that was popular when they were teenagers."

One byproduct of the trend toward newer oldies is the return of '50s and '60s music to AM radio, which played those songs when they were new. At least seven AM stations around the country, from Buffalo, N.Y., to Portland, Ore., are trying this format. Cincinnati's "real oldies" station uses the same call letters - WSAI - and some of the DJs from its days as a Top 40 station four decades earlier.

"We don't pretend that these AM oldies stations are going to beat the FM oldies station," program director Dan Allen said. "Our goal is simply to provide a solid audience. Since this music was on AM originally, we decided to give this a try."


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KEYWORDS: music; oldies
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1 posted on 10/31/2003 11:52:53 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I'm really felt old when I heard "an oldie from the '90s".
2 posted on 10/31/2003 11:55:29 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
let's just hope they skip the Disco era
3 posted on 10/31/2003 11:56:19 AM PST by camle (no fool like a damned fool)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
No!!!! The 50's and 60's. THAT was music. Can't stand the "music" of my generation. BTW, does anyone think that rap and hard rock will ever be called "Golden Oldies"?
4 posted on 10/31/2003 11:56:53 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Using Occam's Razor to shave the hairy beast of liberalism...)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I noticed this the other day at work. A guy I work with was listening to the oldies station whose logo was "The best of the 60's and 70's". I distinctly remember my parents listening to the same station years ago and all they played was 50's music.

I guess the times they are a changing.
5 posted on 10/31/2003 11:57:18 AM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: camle
Amen to that.
6 posted on 10/31/2003 11:58:44 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Using Occam's Razor to shave the hairy beast of liberalism...)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In the late 60s and early 70s, the oldies stations played songs from the middle fifties. These songs were from 12 to 18 years old.

So now we should be playing music from the 80s!
7 posted on 10/31/2003 11:59:24 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Semper Paratus
But you know what say, it's not the years, it's the mileage :)
8 posted on 10/31/2003 11:59:59 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
70s?! Last time I popped on an oldies station (probably 2 maybe 3 years ago) they played "White Wedding" and "Boys of Summer", the 80s are now oldies.
9 posted on 10/31/2003 12:00:28 PM PST by discostu (You figure that's gotta be jelly cos jam just don't shake like that)
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To: Semper Paratus
This format might be fine IF they would go beyond the one hit that was on any given album. Remember it used to be album rock, right?
10 posted on 10/31/2003 12:00:41 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: will1776
With the passing of Richard Rogers, George Gershwin, Harold Arlen etc. there's been no good music. The music of my generation (U2 to grunge) just plain sucks and what has come after that is pure aural feces.

I'm in a good mood today.

11 posted on 10/31/2003 12:02:45 PM PST by Jim Cane
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To: will1776
Hard rock is already being called "golden oldies", at least when it's hard rock by Led Zepplin. Soon the early days of rap will be on the oldies stations, it's hitting that age, wonder if they'll play "Parents just Don't Understand" I always liked that song.
12 posted on 10/31/2003 12:03:01 PM PST by discostu (You figure that's gotta be jelly cos jam just don't shake like that)
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To: will1776
Can't stand the "music" of my generation. BTW, does anyone think that rap and hard rock will ever be called "Golden Oldies"?

That's now considered Classic Rock(although Bob Segar is on the oldies station too). I hear Metallica, Motley Crue, and the Black Crowes right along the stanbys of AC/DC, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Beatles(usually Sgt Pepper onwards) and Rolling Stones.

13 posted on 10/31/2003 12:04:21 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Don't blame me. I voted for Rocky.)
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To: Sabretooth
The oldies station in Atlanta went to a rap format about a year ago, leaving this poor 'boomer without any FM oldies station anywhere on the dial.

Thankfully, our little AM 1240 station in Brevard, NC ("The White Squirrel Station") plays real oldies every day. I even heard "The Ballad of Davy Crockett" the other day, from the early fifties.

They also play jazz, big bands, bluegrass, "make believe ballroom" dance music, and some really nice accoustic stuff that can't be categorized. But NEVER a rap song.

It's what radio should be.

14 posted on 10/31/2003 12:04:30 PM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: will1776
It will happen. Bet on it. But there will likely be different levels of "oldies," even as there is now. The most ancient "oldies" station in Dallas plays a mixture of '40s Big Band tunes and '50s and '60s pop music, like Pat Boone and Patti Page, and not early rock or R&B. Other "oldies" clienteles exist for '50s and '60s rock, old Nashville country music, etc. By 2025, Sinatra and the Glen Miller Band will be all but unobtainable commercially, but songs by Britney Spears and Cristina Agulera will be regarded as "oldies."
15 posted on 10/31/2003 12:05:43 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: proxy_user
So now we should be playing music from the 80s!

Please no! Anything but that! Arghhhh!

16 posted on 10/31/2003 12:06:40 PM PST by alnick (Pray that God will grant wisdom to American voters.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In the 50's and early '60s, "oldies" were Lawrence Welk (whenever written-- gagh!) and stuff from the '30s and '40s -- great stuff, swing, boogey-woogey, popular jazz, but not so much heard on radio. We had to actually find our parents' old 78's and transcribe the tunes onto reel to reel tapes.

In the late '60's and '70's, it was '50's rock and roll as 'oldies' when modern rock (San Francisoo bands, Doors, Beatles, Stones, etc.) had taken over.

What I found curious is that my kids like the rock of my youth ('60s and early '70s) a lot better than current popular music.

I can't listen to pop music much at all these days, it gives me a headache.

17 posted on 10/31/2003 12:08:52 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: gathersnomoss
Whoa, this is beginning to sound like an all geezer all the time radio love fest. You know most of you already have most if not all of the catalog of music that you like in one form (8-Track) or another.

Who listens to the radio for music anyway?
18 posted on 10/31/2003 12:08:56 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: will1776
I was in a Department store a couple of years ago and was humming along to muzak when I realized what was playing...

Sweet Child of Mine by G&R. Had an "how old am I" attack right then and there.

19 posted on 10/31/2003 12:09:04 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: snopercod
They also play jazz, big bands, bluegrass, "make believe ballroom" dance music, and some really nice accoustic stuff that can't be categorized. But NEVER a rap song.

I'm moving to SC! That's how radio should be. You should be able to hear everything from country to motown to jazz to movie overtures or the latest pop. I understand that many radio stations were like that in the '60's. Louis Armstrong followed by the Beatles, followed by Marty Robbins...what a concept!

The world's gone to hell, arrgh!

20 posted on 10/31/2003 12:11:13 PM PST by Jim Cane
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