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To: Stultis
Did you even read that ASA article I linked for you? Gray's views were similar to Fiske's, in viewing design as due to ongoing supervention by God of the smallest details of nature, in contrast to Darwin's view that design -- if it existed at all -- was only to be found in "general laws".

Yet you call Fiske eccentric, but not Gray. In any case, their viewpoint came after the origin of intelligent design and makes God imminent in the world. You took great delight in thinking you were countering that argument while you documented my point precisely which that it was not an odd or hardly accepted viewpoint.

If you ever get around to reading some more Darwin, you will yet find he thought so too.

Nice work

168 posted on 11/03/2003 5:03:15 PM PST by Held_to_Ransom
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To: Held_to_Ransom
Yet you call Fiske eccentric,

No I didn't.

but not Gray. In any case, their viewpoint came after the origin of intelligent design and makes God imminent in the world. You took great delight in thinking you were countering that argument while you documented my point precisely which that it was not an odd or hardly accepted viewpoint.

You still don't get it, do you? I happen to agree that (if God exists) he is imminent in the world. (I would put it a bit differently, but never mind for the time being.) I personally side more with Gray, and even (from what I know of his views) with Fiske than I do with Darwin on these matters. But the subject was not MY views, the subject has been DARWIN's views.

Intellectually honesty requires accurately reporting and assessing the views of another especially where we disagree with them. You seem unable to make the elementary distinction between accepting a certain view of darwinism, and (gratuitously and falsely) forcing Darwin to agree with you.

If you ever get around to reading some more Darwin, you will yet find he thought so too.

So far you've shown no evidence of actually having read Darwin yourself (in contrast to reading what Fiske wrote about him). Once again, nearly all of Darwin's books are availabe on the web. Show me where he says what you say he says.

169 posted on 11/03/2003 5:16:58 PM PST by Stultis
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