Kissinger and Chile The Myth That Will Not Die

American Enterprise Institute ^ | October 31, 2003 | By Mark Falcoff

[Rodney King]

And the Socialists, union leaders, religious leaders, leaders of the Popular Unity government, university professors,...

If you don't think that union leaders and university professors can be active Marxists who support widespread murder, then you live in a strange world.

[TaxRelief]

Pinochet wanted to wipe out the marxists...and the socialists, union leaders, religious leaders, leaders of the Popular Unity government, university professors,...

University professors like Mazin Qumsiyeh and the late Edward Said? Labor organizers like Astraea Kelly and Cesar Chavez? Religious leaders like Bishop Thomas Gumbleton and Rev. Graylan Hagler? Government figures like Ramsey Clark?

Yes, I see. These folks are such valuable contributors to society...

[TaxRelief]

You don't think the public schools are brainwashing the kids do you? Why would they do that?

[TaxRelief]

Marxist excel at penetrating every institution, every organization and even businesses. I have always wondered though, do they organize or does it just happen naturally?

[Rodney King]

Both. They organize for sure. All the early Marixsts insisted that they could only win by taking over our culture, which required instituting themselves in our institutions. Secondly, like the homos, once they find a place where they are welcome they put the word out to their buddies who all come to join the party.

[GoGophers]

Religious leaders? Do you mean the Marxist Jesuit Liberation Theologians?

Probably. You are right. Those priests deserved to die.

[GoGophers]

University professors like Mazin Qumsiyeh and the late Edward Said? Labor organizers like Astraea Kelly and Cesar Chavez? Religious leaders like Bishop Thomas Gumbleton and Rev. Graylan Hagler? Government figures like Ramsey Clark?

Yes, I see. These folks are such valuable contributors to society...

I see your point. They deserved to be murdered.

[GoGophers]

If you don't think that union leaders and university professors can be active Marxists who support widespread murder, then you live in a strange world.

Not every Marxist supports genocide.

[Rodney King]

I see your point. They deserved to be murdered.

That's not his point at all. His point, and mine, was that most of the people killed by Pinochet were hard-core marxists who were seeking to impose a Stalinist government and murder all who didn't go along. You responded by implying that anyone who was a professor or union leader or a part of some clergy could not possibly fit that description. He then pointed out that there are plenty of professors and others that fit that description.

[Rodney King]

Not every Marxist supports genocide.

That's true. But Latin America is full of those who do. Allende and his comrades backed by Castro did.

[Huber]

Couldn't have said it better m'self!

[Skywalk]

That's odd--for a government that is said to be responsible for 4000 deaths MAX, I'd say it was hard for him to have actually eliminated what would have had to be a number of socialists, leftists, unionists, etc that would have approached MILLIONS.

Other Socialist leaders were worried about Allende. They weren't all killed. In fact, almost none of them were. By any account 4,000(more likely 1200-3000) were not killed.

I hope that if the Soviets had been successful in fomenting a Communist rebellion here in the US that we would not be so soft on the enemies of freedom.

Your websites don't have much in the way of facts if they will deny the economic turnaround in Chile. They lose all credibility with such nonsense--and so do you.

Once again, are you a leftist and do you have non-leftist sources that back up your claims about Chile?

I've not yet seen many posts from you that indicate a freedom-loving disposition, except in rhetoric to show you are "balanced."

If a similar situation existed in the US, I'm sorry, even the ideological leaders of the enemy would be in danger of being killed--be it in battle or assassination. There comes a time when voting and talking will no longer do.

Do you have much to say about dictators responsible for more widespread repression, murders magnitudes greater than Pinochet and tyrannical behavior that pervades all aspects of a society(especially the economy)??

[GoGophers]

His point, and mine, was that most of the people killed by Pinochet were hard-core marxists who were seeking to impose a Stalinist government and murder all who didn't go along.

So you murder 3,000+ Chileans with an acceptable error rate of _____%. (Fill in the blank)

[Skywalk]

Once again, almost none of your posts on this forum(let alone this thread) indicate even a "lean" to the right. Bringing fringe leftist sites in as evidentiary cites is not helping your cause.

[Skywalk]

LeftGopher

At what percentage is saving your country and maybe the continent justified?

How many innocent people died in World War II, Korea, etc?

Far more than the percent killed by Pinochet?

What if a Russian freedom-defender had taken power in the Soviet Union??? DO you know how many people he would have had to kill, in war and through outright assassination?

Or is it only a tragedy when communists are killed?

And once again, there were possibly hundreds of thousands of real Leftist/socialists in Chile---If the goal was to annihilate opposition how is it that only 3000 were killed(and once again, many were killed in combat situations)

[GoGophers]

That's odd--for a government that is said to be responsible for 4000 deaths MAX, I'd say it was hard for him to have actually eliminated what would have had to be a number of socialists, leftists, unionists, etc that would have approached MILLIONS.

Not all Marxist governments engage in genocide (i.e., Nicaragua).

I hope that if the Soviets had been successful in fomenting a Communist rebellion here in the US that we would not be so soft on the enemies of freedom.

Any group attempting to overthrow our government is guilty of treason and should be executed.

Your websites don't have much in the way of facts if they will deny the economic turnaround in Chile. They lose all credibility with such nonsense--and so do you.

The ends (economic prosperity) do not justify the means (mass murder).

Once again, are you a leftist and do you have non-leftist sources that back up your claims about Chile?

I am not a leftist. Most conservative sources look the other way when a conservative government commits mass murder and vice versa (liberal sources and leftist governments).

I've not yet seen many posts from you that indicate a freedom-loving disposition, except in rhetoric to show you are "balanced."

I oppose all authoritarian and totalitarian (left or right) regimes.

If a similar situation existed in the US, I'm sorry, even the ideological leaders of the enemy would be in danger of being killed--be it in battle or assassination. There comes a time when voting and talking will no longer do.

Most of these people were murdered in the custody of the police and army.

Do you have much to say about dictators responsible for more widespread repression, murders magnitudes greater than Pinochet and tyrannical behavior that pervades all aspects of a society(especially the economy)??

I oppose all authoritarian and totalitarian (left or right) regimes.

[Rodney King]

So you murder 3,000+ Chileans with an acceptable error rate of _____%. (Fill in the blank)

It's war. As I recall we didn't set up little court rooms on the beach at Normandy do hold a trial for every German we were about to shoot, nor are we doing that now in Iraq. The enemies of freedom learned long ago that all their soldiers have to do is take off their uniforms and all the pinko westerners like you will accuse our soldiers of murder when we shoot theirs.

[GoGophers]

Once again, almost none of your posts on this forum(let alone this thread) indicate even a "lean" to the right. Bringing fringe leftist sites in as evidentiary cites is not helping your cause.

The murder of thousands of Chileans by the Pinochet regime is only a debatable point on this website.

[Rodney King]

Any group attempting to overthrow our government is guilty of treason and should be executed.

But you don't give Pinochet the same leeway there do you?

[GoGophers]

As I recall we didn't set up little court rooms on the beach at Normandy do hold a trial for every German we were about to shoot, nor are we doing that now in Iraq.

We did not shoot German and Japanese POWs, which would be the correct comparison.