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Blame the environmentalists
OC Register ^ | 11/1/03 | Steven Milloy

Posted on 11/01/2003 9:23:07 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:06:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

"Our forests are detonating like napalm bombs. We need to remove dead and dying bug-killed timber," said Rep. Wally Herger, R-Chico.

Is this Monday-morning quarterbacking spurred by the wildfires now raging in California? Hardly.

The Northern California congressman uttered those words in August 1994 as part of his demand that Congress declare a state of emergency in federal forests to permit quick removal of dead trees, fallen branches and other debris that fuels wildfires - like those that burned 3 million Western acres and killed 14 firefighters that year.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: blame; californiafirestorm; environment; environmentalists; forests; wildfires

1 posted on 11/01/2003 9:23:07 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: farmfriend
Ping
2 posted on 11/01/2003 9:23:45 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge
More than 700,000 acres have burned so far this year in California alone; 20 people have died and 2,600-plus homes been destroyed. Last year, wildfires burned nearly 7 million acres, killed 23 firefighters, destroyed more than 800 homes and cost taxpayers over $1.5 billion.

Dontcha just love it when a plan comes together?

3 posted on 11/01/2003 9:31:50 AM PST by Guillermo (Go 'Dawgs, Sic 'Em!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I wanna see them "thin" a fir forest that grows on those slopes. As a logger, I wouldnt set one foot on these stands to take my life in my hands for the prices they pay for that wood to "thin" it. Strip cutting is another matter. But to select "thin" harvest? Forget it! Let it burn or cut it the way it should be cut and replant.
4 posted on 11/01/2003 9:32:09 AM PST by crz
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To: Guillermo
More than 700,000 acres have burned so far this year in California alone; 20 people have died and 2,600-plus homes been destroyed. Last year, wildfires burned nearly 7 million acres, killed 23 firefighters, destroyed more than 800 homes and cost taxpayers over $1.5 billion.

I guess the envirowackos would just say "You have to burn a couple eggs to make an omelette"?

5 posted on 11/01/2003 9:34:43 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: NormsRevenge
We no longer support the Sierra Club.
6 posted on 11/01/2003 9:35:49 AM PST by hotpotato
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To: NormsRevenge
How ironic that the people who want to save the forests are the ones responsible for its total destruction...not to mention the pollution that is spewed into the atmosphere. These are the same people who campaign for log-free fireplaces, while the West goes up in flames.
7 posted on 11/01/2003 9:36:40 AM PST by cwb
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To: crz
Can you still use the wood from trees that have been killed by disease or insects? Or is it only good for fuel?
8 posted on 11/01/2003 10:02:12 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: NormsRevenge; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ApesForEvolution; ...
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9 posted on 11/01/2003 10:06:03 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: I got the rope
The short answer is yes. All the poles for my tipi for example are beetle kill lodgepole pine that I cut with a permit from a national forest. My father in law built a lodge for a resort that he used to own entirley out of beetle kill timber. it is very usable and a lot easier to harvest than live wood.
10 posted on 11/01/2003 10:24:29 AM PST by ghostcat
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!
11 posted on 11/01/2003 10:33:29 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: hotpotato
"We no longer support the Sierra Club."

Excellent! Good for you. Hitting them the only place it hurts, the wallet. Because you could hit those people upside the head with an old growth two by four and still not get through to them.

I just wish they'd ask me for money, so I could turn them down. But I think my nasty responses to previous $ requests from NARAL, Planned parenthood and the ACLU has probably got my name on a "do not solicit" list.


12 posted on 11/01/2003 10:43:39 AM PST by jocon307 (New tagline coming soon)
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To: ghostcat
Good. Maybe the President can give an executive order to clear all these trees. The people living in these areas should protect themselves and their property. The government of the state of California has failed them. Chop'em down.
13 posted on 11/01/2003 10:50:01 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
Can you still use the wood from trees that have been killed by disease or insects? Or is it only good for fuel?

You can chip it to make pulp for paper or use it for pressboard. You can still extract the resins depending on the type of tree. In other words there's plenty you can do with an insect infested tree if you get to harvest it soon enough. The same goes for fire killed ones.
14 posted on 11/01/2003 10:51:44 AM PST by Tailback
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To: NormsRevenge
GREAT PIECE BY DR. BILL WATTENBURG.
15 posted on 11/01/2003 11:56:41 AM PST by doug from upland (Why aren't the Clintons living out their remaining years on Alcatraz?)
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To: ghostcat
The radical evnironmentalists are against mankind even being able to use nature's refuse. They are against people benefiting from anything, even if it does not harm the evnironment. The radicals hate humanity and long for its destruction -- they would even accept the destruction of their beloved "nature" if humanity could be wiped out in the process. We are dealing with people who are insane.
16 posted on 11/01/2003 12:43:42 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: I got the rope
Depends on how long its been dead. Worms chew holes into it and weaken it. Decay sets in and weakens the fibre. So after a year or two its about useless other than fuel for the next fire. Burned wood will rot slower and can be harvested a little later on. But the chips and waste from burned wood cannot be used for making things like pulp for paper as its charred and it will not bleach out and will get stuck in the paper machine system. If I send just one charred log into the paper mills and it gets dicovered, they will jerk my contract right then and there. The rotten wood from insect killed wood has weak fibre and will not hold together for the paper process..although it sometimes works alright for other paper products like tissue paper. Most inspectors who inspect homes under construction will not pass the inspection of homes built from insect damaged wood if its to far gone.
17 posted on 11/01/2003 2:28:51 PM PST by crz
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To: doug from upland
David Goldon KSFO 560 HotTalk Radio Saturday afternoon show host just made reference to Doc Watt and that Bill is la creme la crop and should be an advisor to Arnie on his team. (FaT Chance!)

The man is one solid Joe... He's been around and on top of more environmentally "sensitive" controversies than probably anyone living today.

Thanks for the link. I hadn't read the article , saw it earlier, have heard Doc Watt talk about this as I am in easy reception area of KGO in Bay Area.

18 posted on 11/01/2003 2:34:38 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge
Here is another little interesting tidbit for those of you from Cal who got the luxury of breathing that smoke from those fires. The top layers of the ground that burned have been layered with mercury and other pollutents over the years. So when that fire burned, it released those toxic things into the air so you could all breath it. Now if they would have let the loggers go in and log those areas that are viable to log, building road to access those areas to log would have provided a road system for fire fighters to access. OBTW...these pollutents will continue to be released through the washing off of these lands by rain into the water systems.
19 posted on 11/01/2003 2:48:36 PM PST by crz
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To: crz
My brother in Northern Cal by Auburn was almost burned out of his home a couple years ago with the Colfax fires. He said he wished the environmentalists would stay in San Francisco and leave them the heck alone and not waste time driving up to irritate him in their Lexus SUVs. People who live in these areas WANT the brush cleared out.
20 posted on 11/01/2003 2:52:34 PM PST by merry10
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To: crz
I'm about 15 miles from Simi and it was very quiet all week. Just Thursday, things appeared to be getting back to normal. Although we thought we were safe from the smoke, we were breathing it all week, so most people in the area tried to stay inside. Boxer and Feinstein are a day late and a dollar short and need to be taken to task for this.
21 posted on 11/01/2003 2:55:47 PM PST by merry10
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To: NormsRevenge
Thinning forests works

Tell that to the Sierra Club.

Probably the only way they might agree to this sort of management is if only government employees (aka government environmentalists) cut the trees and then disposed of them without profit or commercial uses. Of course, these programs would cost billions of tax dollars but would employ many thousands of tree-hugging college graduates.

To let commercial loggers do it and make a dime for their trouble? Fuggettaboudit!

22 posted on 11/01/2003 3:05:46 PM PST by Gritty
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To: merry10
The polititions will never do anything! Period! The USFS and a lot of state forestry depts have been infiltrated with enviro nazis and one would have to clean out the whole nest to overhaul the system. Why do you think they hesitate to start fighting these fires? Because they are of the burn crowd..I.E. Bruce Babbit bunch.
23 posted on 11/01/2003 4:16:27 PM PST by crz
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To: NormsRevenge
Read this.

http://forests.org/archive/general/forfirsm.htm
24 posted on 11/01/2003 4:23:23 PM PST by crz
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To: NormsRevenge
"A spokesperson for the Natural Resources Defense Council called President Bush's proposed plan of preventing forest fires by thinning growth a "Trojan Horse" to sneak in logging projects."

...Absolutely stunning. I just hope these morons' homes weren't threatend by any of the fires last week. I'm also glad to report that the Senate, including CALIFORNIA'S two Senators-yes, shocking,isn't it?!-actually voted to pass the aboved proposed measure the night before last. Who was it that said even a blind squirrel finds an acorn? But I'm quite certain Barbara Boxer's Enviro-Nut pals, including the NRDC are none too pleased with her vote.

-Regards, T.
25 posted on 11/01/2003 5:04:37 PM PST by T Lady (Who Let the 'RATS Out?!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
If I lost a home in the fire I'd be thinking about a class-action suit against any and all enviro groups that sued to keep the forests from being cleaned up. They're the ones that created the hazardous situation that resulted in the tragic loss of life and property. Defunding the left is the only way to get them under control.
26 posted on 11/01/2003 6:09:09 PM PST by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: All
Doing a search today on Greenpeace and enviromental terrorism and came upon this Canadian site. I havn't seen anything so blatently anti US and Bush even on some hard core left wing sites but this is supposed to be for all stripes.

http://discuss.50plus.com/ubb/Forum46/HTML/001374.html

The Greenpeace article is chilling. I have no doubt the USA is a Hitler-dominated society reincarnated unquote

If you have time read a few more threads, the hatred will blow you away.
27 posted on 11/01/2003 6:31:34 PM PST by UnitetheRight
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To: crz
Thanks for the article link. Nasty stuff indeed.
28 posted on 11/01/2003 7:08:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: NormsRevenge
("When atmospheric mercury falls to the ground in liquid form, it is absorbed by leaves and needles, where it stays, at least until fires send it wafting into the air again.")

This was the part that really got my concern. Yet, we will not hear of any of this will we? Since the eco-freaks think that fire is a good thing, they dont want their friends the LA Times et al to let this out.
29 posted on 11/03/2003 5:25:42 AM PST by crz
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