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Dean's wife Judith Steinberg Makes Rare Outdoor Appearance
Redding News ^ | November 2, 2003 | nwrep

Posted on 11/02/2003 9:38:14 AM PST by nwrep

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To: Diddle E. Squat
No strawman, diddly. You figured that it was men making the characterization - I pointed out that that was an overinclusive generalization that you couldn't know for sure. I'm glad you agree on the different perceptions - what I was saying is you had no idea whether it was men making the point, and not women. It was you who set up a strawman - suggesting that it was just men remarking as they did just to make a point.

As I pointed out (and something you can't rebut) you have no idea that it was only men posting. The fact that I have a wider range of comprehension on matters like this speaks volumes for me.

The fact that you don't speaks volumes for you.

I mischaracterized nothing, sorry you felt that way. I was not responding to posts you left for others, just the ones you made me. My opening remark wasn't insulting at all, it wasn't intended to be - just relax.

BTW, in a related note, you have an habit of filling in blanks with thoughts/opinions that do not flatter you. Again, no idea where that comes from. Maybe you should do some self reflection, and see what you find. Self awareness and reflexive intellectual honesty are a good thing, you know.
201 posted on 11/03/2003 4:29:56 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
My comment was (and remains) directed to the spluttering, finger-waving Mary Poppins-wannabes, hereabouts, who were/are shrilly admonishing others more desperately and fanatically, in Frau Steinberg's "defense," than any eight or ten pinheaded DU regulars you could pick, combined.

Now why would you call her "Frau" Steinberg ?

202 posted on 11/03/2003 5:44:30 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: sciencediet
Because she wants to keep her Halloween mask on all year.

She doesn't want to give Vermont syurp a bad name.

203 posted on 11/03/2003 6:00:04 AM PST by sausageseller
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To: e_engineer
You said: Agreed. We were livid when the democrats and the lamestream media made disparaging comments about Katherine Harris, so how can we support acting this way towards Dean's wife?

I agree. There are legitimate issues concerning a potential first lady refusing to appear in public. We know that first ladies are expected to undertake any number of public responsibilities. To that extent, this is legitimate commentary. I don't think ridiculing someone's appearance is appropriate however. Of course, that has not stopped democrat and liberal commentators as you note, with regard to Katherine Harris, not to mention Rush Limbaugh, etc. We should rise above that sort of thing. Then again, this is a forum, and better to release those sorts of comments here than in "public."
204 posted on 11/03/2003 6:06:02 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: sausageseller
Dr. Mrs. Dean, better than Vermont syrup!
205 posted on 11/03/2003 6:37:00 AM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: nwrep
I had absolutely no idea Dean was married to Chelsea Clinton's uglier sister.
206 posted on 11/03/2003 6:39:31 AM PST by jpl
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To: NCLaw441
Then again, this is a forum, and better to release those sorts of comments here than in "public."

Oh this forum is quite "public."

207 posted on 11/03/2003 7:33:25 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: nwrep
Can you say horse teeth.
208 posted on 11/03/2003 7:36:31 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but she looks pretty good to me.

Maybe you're not getting older. Maybe you're going blind.

209 posted on 11/03/2003 8:07:13 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: af_vet_1981
It is my opinion, because she looks like a million other Jewish women

An admission that you actually have no hard evidence, coupled with an attempt at stereotyping. Hmmmmmmmmm.

210 posted on 11/03/2003 10:30:46 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: af_vet_1981
My comment was (and remains) directed to the spluttering, finger-waving Mary Poppins-wannabes, hereabouts, who were/are shrilly admonishing others more desperately and fanatically, in Frau Steinberg's "defense," than any eight or ten pinheaded DU regulars you could pick, combined.

Now why would you call her "Frau" Steinberg ?

Nice dodge of the central issue in the posting excerpted above.

Why not "Frau?" Maybe she's Ashkenazi. Try to keep your knee from jerking quite so noticeably, in the future.

211 posted on 11/03/2003 10:35:28 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Why not "Frau?" Maybe she's Ashkenazi.

She is an American. Your use of German while denigrating this American Jewish woman is what is truly ugly. You think you get away with it by hiding behind your computer.

212 posted on 11/03/2003 1:48:41 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
She is an American. Your use of German while denigrating this American Jewish woman is what is truly ugly. You think you get away with it by hiding behind your computer.

I'M an Ashkenazi Jew, you silly, twittering little bit of cyber-fluff. I come from a family of Ashkenazi Jews... and none of the women therein, I assure you, take the word "frau" (which comes from our family's original language, in Germany) as an insult.

Please feel free to keep right on spouting off, ineffectually, on topics you know nothing about, however. You're only making yourself look that much more poorly educated and ridiculous, without my having to expend any energies of my own in the matter... and, quite frankly: I can always use the laughs.

213 posted on 11/03/2003 1:55:04 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I'M an Ashkenazi Jew, you silly, twittering little bit of cyber-fluff. I come from a family of Ashkenazi Jews... and none of the women therein, I assure you, take the word "frau" (which comes from our family's original language, in Germany) as an insult.

Yeah, sure you are.

214 posted on 11/03/2003 1:56:26 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Yeah, sure you are.

Now, there's a devastating comeback, grounded in logic and a dispassionate, adult perspective.

This is kind of fascinating, actually (in a mordantly humorous sort of way, I mean). A real man would, instinctively, apologize for casting erroneous aspersions on another's ethnic or religious background, once made aware of that fact.

Huh.

215 posted on 11/03/2003 2:02:36 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
You are the one attacking this American Jewish woman and seeking to denigrate her with your use of the German title. Now you claim to be a Jew too. Cute.
216 posted on 11/03/2003 2:06:29 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
You are the one attacking this American Jewish woman and seeking to denigrate her with your use of the German title. Now you claim to be a Jew too. Cute.

You either have a reading disability, or are a DU plant (or -- as is often the case -- both).

Feel free to check the history of my posted comments in this forum, buttercup... and then get back to me, once school lets out, re: this whole "claiming to be a jew" business, all right? You are, once again (quelle surprise!) spouting off, sans Clue One. Quit while you're behind.

The fact that you are (plainly) unfamiliar with Ashkenazi, on the other hand, tells me a good dealk more about your lack of Jewish roots than I imagine you might otherwise have intended. Again: hmmmmm.

217 posted on 11/03/2003 2:11:19 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"dealk" = deal.
218 posted on 11/03/2003 2:12:41 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: nwrep
Oh, my God, does Dan know that Marilyn is two-timing him?
219 posted on 11/03/2003 2:13:18 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: nwrep
Yikes, he must of married for love!
220 posted on 11/03/2003 2:15:26 PM PST by Lucky2 (If I find out you're a liberal, please leave me the hell alone and crawl back into your hole.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The fact that you are (plainly) unfamiliar with Ashkenazi, on the other hand, tells me a good dealk more about your lack of Jewish roots than I imagine you might otherwise have intended. Again: hmmmmm.

ata haish she oseh lashon hara hayom bze makom neged geveret steinberg. ani lo maamin she ata bemet yehudi biglal ani lo machir ai yehudi kol kach achur bnefesh kmocha

221 posted on 11/03/2003 2:18:17 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
A glich hot dich getrofen! Gai shtrasheh di gens! Ver dershtikt! Folg mich a gang un gai in dr'erd!

Now, back to the point(s) you originally (and ineptly) dodged: why, if you are, in fact, a Jew, would you attempt to lend credence to and further derogatory racial stereotypes (i.e., she looks like a million other Jewish women)? Please answer, with no further knock-kneed jigging and twirling on your part.

222 posted on 11/03/2003 2:27:43 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: Miss Marple
Is she out of the limeligh because she is busy with her own career, or is she out of the limelight because Dean wants to keep her under wraps?

Unless and until we get some information to the contrary, I vote for busy with her own career. By all reports, she has never taken an interest in Howard's political career, from the earliest days on. She has been utterly consistent. She's probably a doctor who is happy being a doctor and pretty busy at it, too.

If I were going to speculate further, I might guess that she liked the idea of being married to a fellow doctor and might not like Howard abandoning a lucrative (at least moderately so, I presume) practice. Further, while doctors often are busy, the time demands on serious politicos are orders of magnitude worse. To step a bit deeper into the swamp of unfounded speculation, let's at least entertain the possibility that she actually liked having her husband around of an evening. If that's the case, she would not be the first to feel herself a political widow.

Pure speculation, but I'd rather think the best of someone until proven wrong. I'm not minded to pick on her because of her husband.

223 posted on 11/03/2003 2:30:02 PM PST by sphinx
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
ma pitom ? ata mdeber yiddish vlo mdeber evrit ?

Now, back to the point(s) you originally (and ineptly) dodged: why, if you are, in fact, a Jew, would you attempt to lend credence to and further derogatory racial stereotypes (i.e., she looks like a million other Jewish women)? Please answer, with no further knock-kneed jigging and twirling on your part.

Judith looks like a million other Jewish women, and they are beautiful too. She has the quiet natural beauty of a wife and mother. You should be ashamed of yourself on this thread for ridiculing the physical features G-d gave her.

224 posted on 11/03/2003 3:03:56 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Nu, lama ata hoshev snachon loseh lashon hara neged yudit lifneh kol hagoyim ?
matai ata holech lshul veyfo ?
eyfo ata lamadta laasot et ze ?
225 posted on 11/03/2003 3:15:10 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Ich vel dir geben kadoches, shaigetz shkotz, until you own up to your earlier (and) insulting error. Be a man; be a mensch.

Judith looks like a million other Jewish women, and they are beautiful too.

I can't reliably state that I've met one million people of any particular stripe -- much less one million of my own fellow Jews -- but: you're wrong, and you're wrong with a hat on. The average Jewish woman is one thousand times better looking than The Deanette... and it's no insult to them to state so, straightforwardly and sans apology.

My wife (Ashkenazi Jew) is better looking than her. My wife's sister is better looking than her. My mother-in-law is better looking than her... and SHE'S in her SIXTIES, for heaven's sakes.

She has the quiet natural beauty of a wife and mother.

There is nothing inherently "beautiful" in being either a wife or a mother. Hillary Clinton, after all, is both. Are you even listening to yourself, at this point...?!?

You should be ashamed of yourself on this thread for ridiculing the physical features G-d gave her.

It's G-d who owes her the apology, then; not me.

226 posted on 11/03/2003 3:22:31 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
ata asita lashon hara lifneh hashem vkol hagoim po. ata tzarich ldeber "slicha"

bevakaha, ani rotze lishmoah l'ishtacha al hadavar haze.

vaharei ani rotze l'daat leze shul ata holech.

227 posted on 11/03/2003 3:28:33 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
Es iz vert a zets in drerd. [::rolls eyes::]
228 posted on 11/03/2003 3:32:02 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
az ata lo mavin evrit ? bemet ? ata lo lamadata hasofa bbet sefer ? ech ata lamadata yiddish bimkomo ?
229 posted on 11/03/2003 3:35:01 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
yesh lacha ishta bemet o ata od medeber shtuyot ?
ata hoshev sh'ishtacha yoter yafa m'yudit, ein bayah aval k'sher ata oseh lashon hara lifneh kol hagoim neged yehudiah ata tzarich linchom
230 posted on 11/03/2003 3:38:24 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: Hank Rearden
Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but she looks pretty good to me.

Maybe you're not getting older.

Maybe you're going blind.

Maybe so, but no matter how she looks there's some guy, somewhere who will. It's nature.

231 posted on 11/03/2003 3:39:48 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: michaelt
michaelt writes:
From what I've read, she doesn't like political campaigning and actually expects to continue her practice if she becomes First Lady.
If Dean gets the nomination, it will be interesting to see how the networks and the major media deal with her.

Good points, Michael -- more pertinent to this discussion that 95% of the drivel that's been posted so far.

It simply isn't appropriate to criticize Mrs. Dean because of her relatively plain looks, lack of makeup, etc. Less than inappropriate, it's irrelevant.

The relevant - and important - questions are _not_ being asked in this thread.

I sense that the reason Mrs. Dean has not played a visible role in her husband's political life is by _her_ choice, which the Dean campaign respects.

That's OK for the "non-political" wife of a governor, a senator, or a U.S. Congressman. These women can live away from the limelight and political spotlight if they so choose.

A first lady, however, _cannot_. Nor, for that matter, can the wife of a nominated presidential candidate.

Let us turn the tables for a moment, and play the devil's advocate. Suppose it was the wife of a _Republican_ presidential candidate who shied away from the limelight as does Mrs. Dean?

How long before the "mainstream media" would be ALL OVER THIS ISSUE, shouting why, _why_, WHY??

It is revealing of their hypocrisy that they do not ask important questions of Mrs. Dean.

I sense that Mrs Dean may actually be to the political left of her husband (insofar as that's possible), or that some of the aspects of her practice she may wish to keep in shadows. What's her medical specialty?

And does she _really_ believe that -- if Dean is elected president -- she can "keep her practice", remaining in Vermont?

What about the Secret Service? What about the matter of protection of the wife of the President?

How could she possibly practice medicine, which involves seeing patients? The access to the wife of the president must be controlled nearly as strictly as access to the President himself. How would Mrs. Dean maintain an "office", seeing old and new patients, people without clearance to be near the wife of the President? Are the patients going to be issued security clearances for each visit? What about _new_ patients, or referrals?

C'mon, help me out. I just can't see this happening.

The "job" of First Lady is a job in itself at the White House. If Mrs. Dean isn't going to be interested in doing it, or even interested in living _in_ the White House, who _is_?

Cheers!
- John

232 posted on 11/03/2003 4:20:45 PM PST by Fishrrman
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To: Fishrrman
What if this was a Republican?

Judith Steinberg(Mrs. Howard Dean)...

The campaign, though, has found her. She is in demand for interviews, but largely avoiding them. And when her son this summer was sentenced to a diversion program for helping four friends steal alcohol from a local country club, national press descended. (Steinberg granted an interview to the Globe provided that incident would not be discussed.)

233 posted on 11/03/2003 5:03:40 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Fishrrman
I agree with you on everything you said. Thankfully the major media won't be able to get away with not asking questions of Mrs. Dean if Howard becomes the nominee. Fox, the blogs, National Review, and of course Free Republic will bring it up.

She may be further to the left than Howard - especially on guns - but can't imagine she's more of a loose cannon than Theresa Heinz Kerry.

Does anyone know how she handled the public eye and the press when Howard was governor? I wish someone would report on that. I haven't seen anything.

I doubt the Secret Service would let her continue with her practice as it currently exists. Would they have to pat down each patient?

But hopefully we won't have to deal with such issues, come January 2005.
234 posted on 11/03/2003 5:13:52 PM PST by michaelt
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To: Hildy; Never2baCrat
>>>why must you go after the looks of his wife. <<<

I think she's fine; a worthy sucessor to Eleanor Roosevelt.

235 posted on 11/03/2003 5:24:10 PM PST by HardStarboard (Dump Wesley Clark.....he worries me as much as Hillary!)
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To: HardStarboard
Familiarity with Canada also runs in the Dean family. His wife, Dr. Judith Steinberg, completed a fellowship in hematology at the Royal Victoria Hospital before joining Dean's medical practice in 1985.

The couple and their two children also took several cross-Canada vacations.

Steinberg rarely speaks about public issues and declined to be interviewed.

It's unclear whether her exposure to Canada's universal health-care system has influenced Dean. The five-term governor advocates near-universal access to health-care coverage but not a government-run system like Canada's.

Steinberg would move her medical practice to Washington if her husband became president. That has prompted comparisons to the fictional presidential spouse on The West Wing, who is also a physician.

236 posted on 11/03/2003 5:38:05 PM PST by kcvl
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To: cardinal4
"I was flamed massively for commenting on her looks, I felt justified in my comment because she is a doctor who champions late term abortions. That paradox is not lost on me..." POST 10 posted on 11/02/2003 9:44 AM PST by cardinal4 (Hillary and Clark rhymes with Ft Marcy park...)

IN VIEW OF THE ABOVE INFORMATION FROM A PREVIOUS POST, ANYONE TICKED OFF BY THOSE MAKING FUN OF HER LOOKS CAN KISS MY GRITS!
237 posted on 11/03/2003 5:44:38 PM PST by razorbak
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To: Nita Nupress
This is a guy who has never been south of the Mason-Dixon line (much less to Texas); lives in Yankeeland...

Oh - stop preening, hillbilly - I've spent a great deal of time in "Flyover Country" - 30,000 ft. up - ;)

238 posted on 11/03/2003 7:47:39 PM PST by Senator Pardek
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