DNA Dispute In Laci Case

CBS News ^ | Oct 30, 2003

[Rusty Roberts]

DA, I seem to remember something about this from the JonBenet Ramsey case. There was discussion in a galaxy many, many eons ago---about the duct tape used being from a certain plant in North Carolina. I could be wrong, but I think this was part of why they were trying to track down some purchases with Patsy Ramsey and Home Depot in Atlanta.

Anyway, it's always the little things that get in the way so many times.

[Jackie-O]

Gonna hit the sack all! See ya in the AM!

[pinz-n-needlez]

Greta just interviewed an engineer from the 'Duck Tape' company in Concord, NC. He said you can figure out brands, and perhaps batches by comparing the covering film and/or the adhesive, and/or the woven layer. Vedddy interesting.

Lowe's carries that brand in their NC stores. My son uses truckloads of the stuff in his SCA fighting scenarios.

Pinz

[An American In Dairyland]

>>Scott would have to take the stand and say that the pliers were kept in the house, anywhere. I doubt that he will..sure MG can imply that with any witness <<

Not *any* witness. It would have to be someone very familiar with Snott's house. And who would be able to do that? Only the Rocha's (who won't cover for him) or Lee or Whacky. IMO they aren't credible to a jury. So Snott's SOL there.

[Devil_Anse]

Wow, I never heard that! If only they hadn't botched that investigation (read: paid off)!

In addition to comparing lots and orders of duct tape, there is also the possibility that the place where it was cut on the existing roll, might match the cut/tear line on the duct tape they found. Someone on TV mentioned this tonight. When they said it, I imagined Lee and Jackie Peterson clogging the plumbing in that Covena Avenue house, flushing every roll of duct tape Scott had left there!

[Devil_Anse]

Good night!! Don't dream of duct tape!!

[Devil_Anse]

You know what else? Hair isn't going to get caught in those things unless they are opened, and then shut. When they lie in a toolbox, they are not being opened and shut. A hair that fell on them would not remain with them.

[Yaelle]

True... Scott cannot take the stand. That liar would wither during cross and just have to start bawling, or have a fake panic attack or something.

[Yaelle]

Come on, they are in Modesto! Their ex-congressman could tell them: when the evidence is too big to flush, you pop it into McDonald's bags and drive it across town, then look suspiciously around you and dump it into a public trash can.

[An American In Dairyland]

Generally murder defendants don't take the stand. One narcissist who did was Jeffrey MacDonald. He was sure he could tell the jury his side and they'd believe him. Didn't turn out that way. I don't see Scott taking the stand.

[Yaelle]

How true you are. Jeff MacDonald. Very similar to Scotty when you think about it.

[Sandylapper]

Speaking of gross

Okay, I can top that, Anse! Once when our son was about 5 or 6, I suppose, back in the days when people still occasionally dyed real egss for Easter, I kept smelling something horrid everytime I went into his room. Of course, I took the Easter basket down from the shelf in his closet, thoroughly rummaged through all that green straw--nothing. Looked everywhere--drawers, under the bed, every nook and cranny. Found nothing. Thinking the scent would eventually go away, I sprayed with Lysol, and left the room. This pattern of behavior on my part went on for at least a week! Check the Easter basket, look in drawers, shoes, pockets, under bed, blah, blah. Finally, after at a week, I found a really, really stinking, rotting egg hiding and tangled in the green straw in the Easter basket!

I'll take the rotten apple, thank you!

[pinz-n-needlez]

Good catch! =:-0

[Devil_Anse]

LOL!! Where is the Daytonator when you need him? (I'd better shut up, Gary's little aide/driver was suing people right and left just for mentioning his name... not that it would be worth his while to sue me, lol!)

I can just see some street corner trash can bulging with rolls of half-used duct tape, and Jackie and Lee walking away whistling, and Jackie saying, "Do you think anyone noticed us?"

[Devil_Anse]

Hey ... those of us who believe Scott did this (er... I think there are quite a few of us...) were wondering why kill her when pregnant, right? I ventured to guess that he wanted to get it done b/f the baby came out b/c he thought for some reason it would be worse if he directly killed an infant. (Though of course it's really the same thing, the way he did it.)

Others pointed out to me that it was unlikely that Scott would even find an infant appealing, if the child was in the way of his "freedom". That's probably true.

So: maybe he picked that time to kill her b/c he knew it was his last chance to get rid of them both. B/C he knew it was a pretty impossible story, that some random murderer would kill a lady AND her infant child. No one would believe that. I mean, seems weirdos are always killing some poor woman b/c of some twisted sexual/homicidal thing, but it's rare for some random person to just kill a tiny baby in its crib. That, to me, is what made McDonald look so very suspicious. It was so unbelievable that these "hippies" broke in and conveniently killed everyone except him.

[Devil_Anse]

Okay, YOU wanna come get this ancient, withered apple? I had to touch it!!!

You're certainly right about the smell of rotting eggs, though!

[drjulie]

"So: maybe he picked that time to kill her b/c he knew it was his last chance to get rid of them both. B/C he knew it was a pretty impossible story, that some random murderer would kill a lady AND her infant child."

I think you're right. Most of the time when there are children who are too young to tell people what happened the murderers leave them alone. I had Dateline on the other night and they were talking about the Fenney case in Missouri and that was one thing they pointed out. Whoever did it took the time (and effort) to kill a baby too young to talk to police. Investigators thought this supported the theory that the husband did it.

[Velveeta]

He can't get that if there is some evidence Connor was BORN first and possibly died of natural causes

The leaked autopsy report showed that the cervix was intact. (And then subsequently duct-taped shut!) No way this baby was born, not with an intact cervix!

By the way, you're on a roll these days....cracking me up!

[Jackie-O]

Agree!

[Velveeta]

I've been pondering the pliers...

We know from "leaks" that his fishing gear was NOT used. I'm surmising once Laci was placed in the boat in the warehouse while he was prepping her, he reached into his "car toolbox" and took out the pliers to aid in securing the weights to her body.

Scott SAID (on the Diane Sawyer interview) that he cut himself "that day" reaching into his toolbox in his car and being the man that he is, he bleeds. He did NOT say he reached into his tacklebox while fishing.

Once her body was in the boat with all those weights attached, there wasn't much room left for poles and a tacklebox.

My point IS (I'm getting around to a point) IF his fishing gear was UNUSED, what other reason was there for him to use a pliers IN the boat, THAT DAY??

This was the FIRST time he launched the surprise boat and he goes fishing in the bay......armed with a pair of pliers. Hopefully, his tacklebox was found covered in a layer of dust.

What excuse could he possibly provide for removing a pair of pliers from his car toolbox and leaving it in his boat? And those pliers happened to have Laci's hair....