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To: VadeRetro
My theory is that they were like Basques (also an isolate).

They were much more interesting than Basques though.
23 posted on 11/05/2003 11:21:13 AM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya
like the BAsques

An interesting bit of research found that the Basques are not genetically different from their neighbours, only linguistically. Of course, being a small population they must have intermingled with the communities around them. The basque language is also supposed to be related to the Chechen. The other non-IndoEuropean linguistic group in Europe is the Finnish-Ugaritic group to which Finnish and some Baltic languages belong.

Weren't the Celts also Indo-European? Not Aryan though.
32 posted on 11/06/2003 12:36:49 AM PST by Cronos (W2004)
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To: buwaya
Found this list of Indo-European language groups:

Subfamily Group Subgroup Languages and Principal Dialects
Anatolian     Hieroglypic Hittite*, Hittite (Kanesian)*, Luwian*, Lycian*, Lydian*, Palaic*
Baltic     Latvian (Lettish), Lithuanian, Old Prussian*
Celtic Brythonic   Breton, Cornish*, Welsh
Celtic Continental   Gaulish*
Celtic Goidelic or Gaelic   Irish (Irish Gaelic), Manx*, Scottish Gaelic
Germanic East Germanic   Burgundian*, Gothic*, Vandalic*
Germanic North Germanic   Old Norse* (see Norse): Danish, Faeroese, Icelandic, Norwegian, Swedish
Germanic West Germanic (see Grimm's law) High German German, Yiddish
Germanic West Germanic (see Grimm's law) Low German Afrikaans, Dutch, English, Flemish, Frisian, Plattdeutsch (see German language)
Greek     Aeolic*, Arcadian*, Attic*, Byzantine Greek*, Cyprian*, Doric*, Ionic*, KoinE*, Modern Greek
Indo-Iranian Dardic or Pisacha   Kafiri, Kashmiri, Khowar, Kohistani, Romany (Gypsy), Shina
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan   Pali*, Prakrit*, Sanskrit*, Vedic*
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan Central Indic Hindi, Hindustani, Urdu
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan East Indic Assamese, Bengali, Bihari, Oriya
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan Northwest Indic Punjabi, Sindhi
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan Pahari Central Pahari, Eastern Pahari (Nepali), Western Pahari
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan South Indic Marathi (including major dialect Konkani), Singhalese (Sinhalese)
Indo-Iranian Indic or Indo-Aryan West Indic Bhili, Gujarati, Rajasthani (many dialects)
Indo-Iranian Iranian   Avestan*, Old Persian*
Indo-Iranian Iranian East Iranian Baluchi, Khwarazmian*, Ossetic, Pamir dialects, Pushtu (Afghan), Saka (Khotanese)*, Sogdian*, Yaghnobi
Indo-Iranian Iranian West Iranian Kurdish, Pahlavi (Middle Persian)*, Parthian*, Persian (Farsi), Tajiki
Italic (Non-Romance)   Faliscan*, Latin, Oscan*, Umbrian*
Italic Romance or Romanic Eastern Romance Italian, Rhaeto-Romanic, Romanian, Sardinian
Italic Romance or Romanic Western Romance Catalan, French, Ladino, Portuguese, Provençal, Spanish
Slavic or Slavonic East Slavic   Belorussian (White Russian), Russian, Ukrainian
Slavic or Slavonic South Slavic   Bulgarian, Church Slavonic*, Macedonian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian
Slavic or Slavonic West Slavic   Czech, Kashubian, Lusatian (Sorbian or Wendish), Polabian*, Polish, Slovak
Thraco-Illyrian     Albanian, Illyrian*, Thracian*
Thraco-Phrygian     Armenian, Grabar (Classical Armenian)*, Phrygian*
Tokharian (W China)     Tokharian A (Agnean)*, Tokharian B (Kuchean)*

33 posted on 11/06/2003 12:39:53 AM PST by Cronos (W2004)
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To: buwaya

My theory is that there is a connection between Etruscan and Pelasgian(the pre-Indo-European -inthos or -ossos/-assos substratum of Greek, which may be related to Minoan.) I have little evidence for this, but it makes a lot of sense.
Pelasgian may be related to the Hurro-Urartian languages (the ancient languages of NE Anatolia, where M172 and related Y chromosome markers are found) which are thought to be NE Caucasian.
Genetic data shows that for Greece there is an association between the M172 Y chromosome marker that is associated with expansion from Anatolia to SE Europe and regions of intensive Neolithic settlement.
Here's the link:
http://www.santafe.edu/files/gems/ehlchronology/king.pdf
I wonder what genetic studies (esp. Y chromosome) of the Etruscan remains (or modern rural people from Tuscany and Umbria) would show.




47 posted on 07/07/2004 2:28:32 AM PDT by monkeyman81
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