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Mark Steyn: Europeans are Worse than Cockroaches
The Spectator ^ | November 8, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/06/2003 8:31:53 AM PST by quidnunc

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But the idea of a childless Europe rivalling America militarily or economically is laughable. Sometime this century there will be 500 million Americans, and what’s left in Europe will either be very old or very Muslim. That’s the Europe that Britain will be binding its fate to.

Old, sclerotic and afarid of their own shadows.

1 posted on 11/06/2003 8:31:54 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Will Japan be an economic powerhouse if it’s populated by Koreans and Filipinos? Possibly. Will Germany if it’s populated by Algerians? That’s a trickier proposition.

Unrivalled. Mark Steyn should be president of the world!

2 posted on 11/06/2003 8:40:35 AM PST by Tax-chick (Right-wing Internet wacko)
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To: quidnunc
BTTT
3 posted on 11/06/2003 8:44:28 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
4 posted on 11/06/2003 8:46:08 AM PST by SJackson
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To: quidnunc
>Lesson: America’s and Europe’s world views have diverged significantly, and those world views are now incompatible.

If Clark becomes Prez,
what happens to NATO that
refused his orders,

and then went public
saying Clark and the US
wanted a world war?!

5 posted on 11/06/2003 9:05:47 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: quidnunc
The rest of the column. Spectator doesn't need to be excerpted:

Tariq and co. are right to this extent: in the scheme of things, it’s not about Islamic terrorism. The Islamist goal is a planet on which their enemies are either dead or Muslim converts. That’s not going to happen. But Islamism is sufficiently disruptive to rupture permanently the old ‘Western alliance’. A lot of things have been said on both sides, but what’s impressive about the Europeans is the palpable desire for America to fail, and Bush to fall.

I can’t see that happening. On election day next November, the Democrats have no chance of taking back the House of Representatives and they’re all but certain to lose seats in the Senate. Bush is likely to be re-elected: with that 7.2 per cent growth in GDP, it’s hard even for the BBC to keep pretending America’s in the middle of some sort of recession; and whatever happens in Iraq it’s difficult to see the Democrats, running on a foreign policy of Cut & Run, being the beneficiaries. But the trouble with a war on terror is that the victories go unreported — the plotters who get foiled, the bombers who don’t make it through. All you hear about are the defeats. Let’s say there’s a terrorist attack in the US in the next 12 months and it kills several hundred people. On the one hand, you could argue that this shows the soundness of Bush’s judgment in making terrorism the priority of his administration. On the other, you could argue that this proves he never learnt the lessons of the failures of 11 September. Knowing the American media, I’d bet on the latter line being the one they settle on.

But other than that, the arguments over the next few years are going to be between conservatives — between those who think it is worth pushing on with an ambitious programme to bring the Middle East within the non-deranged world, and those who figure that’s doomed to fail and we should settle for something less. This project is in the national interest of the United States but, in the end, the fate of the world’s hyperpower does not hinge on it.

Now let’s turn back to Europe. The Telegraph’s Adam Nicolson got irritated the other day because Denis Boyles of America’s National Review had dismissed the Europeans as ‘cockroaches’. Boyles is wrong. The Europeans are not cockroaches. The cockroach is the one creature you can rely on to come crawling out of the rubble of the nuclear holocaust. Whereas the one thing that can be said with absolute confidence is that the Europeans will not emerge from under their own rubble.

Europe is dying. As I’ve pointed out here before, it can’t square rising welfare costs, a collapsed birthrate and a manpower dependent on the world’s least skilled, least assimilable immigrants. In 20 years’ time, as those Dutch Muslim teenagers are entering the voting booths, European countries, unlike parts of Nigeria, will not be living under Sharia, but they will be reaching their accommodations with their radicalised Islamic compatriots, who like many intolerant types are expert at exploiting the ‘tolerance’ of pluralist societies.

How happy what’s left of the ethnic Dutch or French or Danes will be about this remains to be seen. But the idea of a childless Europe rivalling America militarily or economically is laughable. Sometime this century there will be 500 million Americans, and what’s left in Europe will either be very old or very Muslim. That’s the Europe that Britain will be binding its fate to. Japan faces the same problem: in 2006, its population will begin an absolute decline, a death spiral it will be unlikely ever to climb out of. Will Japan be an economic powerhouse if it’s populated by Koreans and Filipinos? Possibly. Will Germany if it’s populated by Algerians? That’s a trickier proposition.

Last Sunday, recalling the US–Soviet summits that helped ‘ease the tensions of the Cold War’, the New York Times’s Thomas Friedman proposed we hold regular US-Franco-German summits. Implicit in that analysis is the assumption that France and perhaps other Continental countries now exist in a quasi-Cold War with America. If that’s so, the trick is to manage the relationship until the Europeans, like the Soviets, collapse. Europe is dying, and it’s only a question of whether it goes peacefully or through convulsions of violence. On that point, I bet on form.

6 posted on 11/06/2003 9:08:37 AM PST by Pokey78 ("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
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To: quidnunc
I think they seee themselves as the declining Elven kingdoms and Middle Earth and they see the US as The Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.
7 posted on 11/06/2003 9:09:11 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Mouthing support for the workingman is one of the best ways to avoid actually being one.)
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8 posted on 11/06/2003 9:09:55 AM PST by Pokey78 ("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
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To: quidnunc
Ya know, when I first saw this headline, I was thinknin' that he shouldn't have insulted cockroaches by comparing them to the French and socialist Germans.....
9 posted on 11/06/2003 9:11:37 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: quidnunc
Looks like a war with Western Europe is inevitable.
10 posted on 11/06/2003 9:13:42 AM PST by Porterville (American First, Human being Second; liberal your derivative lifestyle will never be normalized.)
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To: .cnI redruM
.cnI redruM wrote: I think they seee themselves as the declining Elven kingdoms and Middle Earth and they see the US as The Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.

They may see themselves as the Elven kingdoms, but in reality they're more like The Shire, full of rustics intent on living a comfortable life in isolation from the outside world.

11 posted on 11/06/2003 9:14:17 AM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings
Ping
12 posted on 11/06/2003 9:15:05 AM PST by knighthawk (And for the name of peace, we will prevail)
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To: Pokey78
Another winner from Steyn.
13 posted on 11/06/2003 9:18:19 AM PST by July 4th
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To: quidnunc
Seems to me Mr. Steyn is being a tad hysterical. I don't know where to start: there were all kind of smuggled weapons found in Iraq - and Canadians are not even "European".

Mixing a few unrelated facts blown out of proportion together is NOT sound journalism, Mr. Steyn.
14 posted on 11/06/2003 9:18:44 AM PST by stck
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To: quidnunc
Poor Samwise. He bristles in outrage.
15 posted on 11/06/2003 9:19:03 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Mouthing support for the workingman is one of the best ways to avoid actually being one.)
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To: Porterville
Nah, they have nothing to fight with. A Cold War of diplomacy and subversion, probably.
16 posted on 11/06/2003 9:24:18 AM PST by expatpat
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To: quidnunc
Does anyone have a source for Item #2, the French rockets?
18 posted on 11/06/2003 9:30:44 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: Tax-chick
Brilliant analysis. Europe and Canada have been on security welfare for some time now. It has distorted their world view. In the meantime, a glacial cultural change is underway that will change the very nature of European society. Unfortunately, the same is true here unless we can get a handle on illegal immigration.
19 posted on 11/06/2003 9:33:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: stck
You may consider Canada as part of this group ---




On 11 September 2001, I wrote that one of the casualties of the day’s events would be the Western alliance: ‘The US taxpayer’s willingness to pay for the defence of Canada and Europe has contributed to the decay of America’s so-called “allies”, freeing them to disband their armed forces, flirt with dictators and gangster states, and essentially convert themselves to semi-non-aligned.’ ‘The West’ was an obsolete concept, because, as I put it later that month, for everyone but America ‘the free world is mostly a free ride’.
20 posted on 11/06/2003 9:35:57 AM PST by maica (Leadership matters)
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