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But the idea of a childless Europe rivalling America militarily or economically is laughable. Sometime this century there will be 500 million Americans, and whats left in Europe will either be very old or very Muslim. Thats the Europe that Britain will be binding its fate to.
Old, sclerotic and afarid of their own shadows.
1 posted on
11/06/2003 8:31:54 AM PST by
quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
Will Japan be an economic powerhouse if its populated by Koreans and Filipinos? Possibly. Will Germany if its populated by Algerians? Thats a trickier proposition. Unrivalled. Mark Steyn should be president of the world!
2 posted on
11/06/2003 8:40:35 AM PST by
Tax-chick
(Right-wing Internet wacko)
To: quidnunc
BTTT
3 posted on
11/06/2003 8:44:28 AM PST by
conservatism_IS_compassion
(The everyday blessings of God are great--they just don't make "good copy.")
To: quidnunc
>Lesson:
Americas and Europes world views have diverged significantly, and those world views are now incompatible.
If Clark becomes Prez,
what happens to NATO that
refused his orders,
and then went public
saying Clark and the US
wanted a world war?!
To: quidnunc
The rest of the column. Spectator doesn't need to be excerpted: Tariq and co. are right to this extent: in the scheme of things, its not about Islamic terrorism. The Islamist goal is a planet on which their enemies are either dead or Muslim converts. Thats not going to happen. But Islamism is sufficiently disruptive to rupture permanently the old Western alliance. A lot of things have been said on both sides, but whats impressive about the Europeans is the palpable desire for America to fail, and Bush to fall.
I cant see that happening. On election day next November, the Democrats have no chance of taking back the House of Representatives and theyre all but certain to lose seats in the Senate. Bush is likely to be re-elected: with that 7.2 per cent growth in GDP, its hard even for the BBC to keep pretending Americas in the middle of some sort of recession; and whatever happens in Iraq its difficult to see the Democrats, running on a foreign policy of Cut & Run, being the beneficiaries. But the trouble with a war on terror is that the victories go unreported the plotters who get foiled, the bombers who dont make it through. All you hear about are the defeats. Lets say theres a terrorist attack in the US in the next 12 months and it kills several hundred people. On the one hand, you could argue that this shows the soundness of Bushs judgment in making terrorism the priority of his administration. On the other, you could argue that this proves he never learnt the lessons of the failures of 11 September. Knowing the American media, Id bet on the latter line being the one they settle on.
But other than that, the arguments over the next few years are going to be between conservatives between those who think it is worth pushing on with an ambitious programme to bring the Middle East within the non-deranged world, and those who figure thats doomed to fail and we should settle for something less. This project is in the national interest of the United States but, in the end, the fate of the worlds hyperpower does not hinge on it.
Now lets turn back to Europe. The Telegraphs Adam Nicolson got irritated the other day because Denis Boyles of Americas National Review had dismissed the Europeans as cockroaches. Boyles is wrong. The Europeans are not cockroaches. The cockroach is the one creature you can rely on to come crawling out of the rubble of the nuclear holocaust. Whereas the one thing that can be said with absolute confidence is that the Europeans will not emerge from under their own rubble.
Europe is dying. As Ive pointed out here before, it cant square rising welfare costs, a collapsed birthrate and a manpower dependent on the worlds least skilled, least assimilable immigrants. In 20 years time, as those Dutch Muslim teenagers are entering the voting booths, European countries, unlike parts of Nigeria, will not be living under Sharia, but they will be reaching their accommodations with their radicalised Islamic compatriots, who like many intolerant types are expert at exploiting the tolerance of pluralist societies.
How happy whats left of the ethnic Dutch or French or Danes will be about this remains to be seen. But the idea of a childless Europe rivalling America militarily or economically is laughable. Sometime this century there will be 500 million Americans, and whats left in Europe will either be very old or very Muslim. Thats the Europe that Britain will be binding its fate to. Japan faces the same problem: in 2006, its population will begin an absolute decline, a death spiral it will be unlikely ever to climb out of. Will Japan be an economic powerhouse if its populated by Koreans and Filipinos? Possibly. Will Germany if its populated by Algerians? Thats a trickier proposition.
Last Sunday, recalling the USSoviet summits that helped ease the tensions of the Cold War, the New York Timess Thomas Friedman proposed we hold regular US-Franco-German summits. Implicit in that analysis is the assumption that France and perhaps other Continental countries now exist in a quasi-Cold War with America. If thats so, the trick is to manage the relationship until the Europeans, like the Soviets, collapse. Europe is dying, and its only a question of whether it goes peacefully or through convulsions of violence. On that point, I bet on form.
6 posted on
11/06/2003 9:08:37 AM PST by
Pokey78
("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
To: quidnunc
I think they seee themselves as the declining Elven kingdoms and Middle Earth and they see the US as The Land of Mordor where the shadows lie.
7 posted on
11/06/2003 9:09:11 AM PST by
.cnI redruM
(Mouthing support for the workingman is one of the best ways to avoid actually being one.)
To: quidnunc
Ya know, when I first saw this headline, I was thinknin' that he shouldn't have insulted cockroaches by comparing them to the French and socialist Germans.....
9 posted on
11/06/2003 9:11:37 AM PST by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: quidnunc
Looks like a war with Western Europe is inevitable.
10 posted on
11/06/2003 9:13:42 AM PST by
Porterville
(American First, Human being Second; liberal your derivative lifestyle will never be normalized.)
To: scholar; Bullish; linear; yoda swings
Ping
12 posted on
11/06/2003 9:15:05 AM PST by
knighthawk
(And for the name of peace, we will prevail)
To: quidnunc
Seems to me Mr. Steyn is being a tad hysterical. I don't know where to start: there were all kind of smuggled weapons found in Iraq - and Canadians are not even "European".
Mixing a few unrelated facts blown out of proportion together is NOT sound journalism, Mr. Steyn.
14 posted on
11/06/2003 9:18:44 AM PST by
stck
To: quidnunc
Does anyone have a source for Item #2, the French rockets?
18 posted on
11/06/2003 9:30:44 AM PST by
FreedomPoster
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To: quidnunc
I still have faith in the Brits. I don't think they'll adopt the Euro, and I don't think they'll sign on to that horrific document authored by the French and referred to rather ambitiously as a "constitution".
24 posted on
11/06/2003 9:54:15 AM PST by
wimpycat
To: quidnunc
Europe is dying. As Ive pointed out here before, it cant square rising welfare costs, a collapsed birthrate and a manpower dependent on the worlds least skilled, least assimilable immigrants. In 20 years time, as those Dutch Muslim teenagers are entering the voting booths, European countries, unlike parts of Nigeria, will not be living under Sharia, but they will be reaching their accommodations with their radicalised Islamic compatriots, who like many intolerant types are expert at exploiting the tolerance of pluralist societies.Money quote, right there. :)
27 posted on
11/06/2003 10:01:19 AM PST by
KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
To: quidnunc
One of the greatest fictions of the interminable debate on Euro-American differences over Iraq is that its an argument about the means, not the end. Excellent point.
31 posted on
11/06/2003 10:41:04 AM PST by
Sloth
("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
To: quidnunc
This is a sobering Steyn article.A great read.
32 posted on
11/06/2003 10:50:06 AM PST by
MEG33
To: quidnunc
Europeans are Worse than Cockroaches I live in Europe--and I couldn't agree any more with that!
39 posted on
11/06/2003 12:17:00 PM PST by
Smile-n-Win
(Islam is a religion of perversion and a perversion of religion.)
To: quidnunc
Europe is dying, and its only a question of whether it goes peacefully or through convulsions of violence. On that point, I bet on form.Translation: Expect the collapse of "Olde Europe" to be extremely violent.
46 posted on
11/06/2003 3:41:57 PM PST by
irv
To: quidnunc
While the author seems to think that the current European anti-American attitude is something that is relatively new, it is not. Like the Jews America has been hated by Europe since day one.
Since before 1776 America has been pilloried as being populated by uncouth, barbarous, Neanderthals. While Europe is populated by urbane, sophisticated, intelligent people.
For the last 2000 years Europe has been the scene of countless wars, genocides, The Inquisition, and thousands of other urban, sophisticated, and intelligent events.
While America's skirts are not lily white, at least we have in most instances tried to do the right thing.
In my view the less we have to do with Europe the better. You are not known by the friends you make, but rather by the enemies you have.
48 posted on
11/06/2003 4:05:57 PM PST by
vladog
To: quidnunc
"Lesson: In the war on terror, the United States believes in pre-emption; Canada, like many other allies, believes in pre-emptive surrender. These two strategies are incompatible." Time to wake and realize that Canada is not our friend. Time to wake up and realize that Canada poses a real threat...
49 posted on
11/06/2003 5:00:38 PM PST by
Sunsong
(Free Republic is a conservative, American site -- try to keep that in mind...)
To: quidnunc
Posted earlier but good Steyn is always worth it.
54 posted on
11/06/2003 5:35:30 PM PST by
xp38
To: quidnunc
Mark Steyn: not just another pretty stylist.
56 posted on
11/06/2003 6:01:05 PM PST by
mrustow
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