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In the following two sentences we have the agenda and the apologia:

"Each of us can say that we came to be in the sense that we were each conceived, as a potential human individual, 14 days after the fertilisation of an ovum, not before." He said the natural 60 per cent wastage of ova during IVF procedures need not be considered the killing of conceived human individuals."

First, it is obvious the false pastor believes in the 'dehumanization to authorize cannibalization' agenda because there is no scientifically defined 'potential human', because once the 46 chromosomes of the zygotic new individual life are inplace, we have a human being conceived. Second, the 'extra embryos' of artificial conception - in vitro fertilization - are by definition 'not naturally occurring embryos', therefore there is no 'natural wastage only expedient killing. Third, it is obvious the man has an agenda, to support and give quasi-christian authority to the cannibalizing of embryonic individual human lives.

For the average reader, here's a simple synopsis of the 'traditional' process this Australian 'christian' is willing to dehumanize in order that embryos be exploited for their body parts, their stem cells:
--When the human sperm (a single sperm, Vassily, just a single sperm) enters the human ovum (oocyte), each of the parent gametes has 23 chromosomes; it takes up to 11 hrs for the chromosomes to fuse, forming a 46-chromsome mega cell, called a zygote

--As soon as there is a 46 chromosome complement within the cell, there is no longer an egg or a sperm, only an alive new individual with the normal 46 chromsome complement (unless the individual is a Downs sufferer ... and that is a telling refutation to the fool Aussie's assertions, because the individual at zygote age can be diagnosed as suffering from Downs!)

--The zygote begins mitosis - the divsion of cell into two cells - within 20 hours after the chromsomes are united, and each cell generated from that stage onward will have the unique 46 chromosomes of the original zygote individual (though some will shed their nucleus at maturation, such as red blood cells); cell division will occur approximately every 20 hours thereafter

--One of the two mega cells divides, to net three cells, and all are still contained within the original cell membrane of the original oocyte (perhaps the continued location, inside the original oocyte's cell membrane, is why some 'scientists' insist on call the embryonic individual at this stage a 'preembryo'; of course there is no such thing since the embryo, from zygote to fetal age, has the unique 46 chromsoome identity of the fusion of the parent chromsomes

--Beginning with the stage of three cells of the embryo, the separation of tasks begins to unfold, with some stem cells taking up the formation of the placental organ and future skin of the embryo, and other stem cells taking up the task of building the body to be used when the individual exits the womb world; Dr Jerome Legeune, geneticist and pediatrician (discoverer of the cause of Down's Syndrome), has explained the unique division of labor as 'underlined to the chromosome complement methylation of the father and mother', meaning, the methylation process brought to the newly conceived individual from the male sex cell directs the stem cell cascade that forms the protective and nourishment-gathering placental structure (those stem cells also are involved in the formation of gut, skin, and connective tissues), while the methylation processes brought to conception from the female sex cell direct the arrangement and order for the building of the body to exit the womb months later --When the embryonic individual (or individuals) arrive to the uterus, within six days of fertilization event, a major cascade of stem cell diversity begins to arrange an inner chamber (called the blastocele), surrounded by other stem cells forming an encapsulation of the entire embryo package; inside the blastocele are embryoblasts and outside are trophoblasts; the embryoblasts form the yolk sac (nourishment 'bag' for the developing embryonic body for later survival) and the embryonic body

--Twelve to fourteen days following fertilization and a new 46 chromosome individual coming into existence, the entire mass of embryo cells hatch out of the cell membrane they've been traveling along in, and the emrbyo releases hormones to trigger capillary production in the uterine lining tissue; the embryo 'burrows' into the epithelial cells of the woman's uterus, dissolving some of the uterine cells, forming blood pools that stimulate even more capillary production and circulation to give life support.

Stem cell harvesting is aimed at removing stem cells of the inner cell mass of the developing body that is scheduled for accomplishing survival upon exiting the womb. If anyone has furrther questions, I try to answer them, or find an answer for you! It is time we the people knew more about the facts of nascent individual human life, so fools and ghouls cannot twist the truth and gain our tacit acceptance of their planned cannibalism.

Good post, MHGinTN, but would you be so kind as to explain how the twinning process fits into your analysis? In other words, if a 7-day embryo is indeed a unique, protected human life, then how is that only a few days later it can suddenly become two? I hope I don't sound condescending, I'm asking my question seriously.

I'm pro-life but I have always been uneasy defining a "full human life" as beginning at conception, and this long before I had even heard of notions of stem cell harvesting and cloning.

When I read that Scripture talks about God knitting me together in the womb, I see it as a process not an event: that if I were to stop a woman from knitting a sweater a minute after she began knitting it, I would hardly be destroying a sweater.

Similarly, I consider God's formation of Adam in Genesis. He formed him from the dust, and then breathed life into him. Had God been somehow interrupted during the formation process, would the perpetrator be guilty of murder, or of an offense comparable to diving into a pile of freshly raked leaves?

Having said that, I've had the privilege of seeing an ultrasound of my own child only a few short weeks after conception---long before many people even realize they are pregnant. I would never have dreamed of intentionally harming that innocent life at this stage, nor would I like to see anyone else do the same to theirs.