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1 posted on 11/07/2003 7:31:54 AM PST by presidio9
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[She has no memory of the rape. The book says there was a three-hour gap after her capture, a blank in her mind, during which she was assaulted.

"Even just the thinking about that, that's too painful," she told Sawyer.]

http://www.aim.org/publications/briefings/2003/may01.html

"...Center for Military Readiness President Elaine Donnelly says the American people have not been getting the “full truth” about this issue, adding that female soldiers do not have an “equal opportunity to survive” as combatants. Syndicated columnist Mona Charen has referred to a woman’s “inherent delicacy” in being subject to sexual abuse if captured.

In answer, the media have latched on to former Desert Storm POW Army Maj. [now Colonel] Rhonda Cornum. Soon after her 1992 release, she told Newsweek that given that such victimization does not prevent escape, threaten life and limb and is not “excruciating… then it isn’t important.” In her numerous recent interviews, Col. Cornum has repeatedly stressed that sexual assault is ‘just another thing they can do to you’ in captivity and that men are at similar risk.

What is glossed over is the fact that what is the exception with respect to men is the rule for women. No male Coalition POWs captured by Saddam’s troops were subject to sexual abuse. In contrast, Col. Cornum and the other female Desert Storm POW, Army Spec. Melissa Rathbun-Nealy were indeed singled out for such treatment. That’s a zero percent vs. a one hundred percent ratio. A similar proportion exists for the risk of pregnancy consequent to rape. A woman who finds herself carrying a rapist’s child faces an agonizing decision, especially if abortion is a deep moral issue.

Initial accounts relate that Jessica Lynch kept shooting until she was out of ammo. She reportedly didn’t want to be taken alive. Why? Perhaps if male soldiers were at the same risk of the treatment Lynch was probably contemplating, they would be more likely to do the same..."

To that I would echo earlier posts on this thread saying that Jessica Lynch wouldn't have known her weapon had jammed unless she attempted to fire it.

Saddam's armed forces actually had men whose job title was something to the effect of 'taker of women's virtue.' That is, there were designated rapists on the payroll.

Thus:

"...Preparing women for combat can be appropriate, but only for Homeland Defense. In this Age of Terrorism, police officers of both sexes should receive robust training and be properly equipped for major urban warfare. The State National Guard units should also be similarly prepared. It is most appropriate that the Coast Guard has females amongst their crews. If a large-scale conflict erupts, the men deployed abroad could take comfort in knowing that the women left behind are capable of defending hearth and home rather than sitting there helpless.

Despite the way the debate is being framed in the Media, most of us who object to women serving in combat do not do so because of any doubts of their resilience, competence and/or bravery. As the details become known of Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch’s gallantry [remember, this was written in May] in the face of the enemy, many will have their confidence in women’s courage and capabilities only reinforced.

It is unfortunate to have to articulate this, but women are inherently different than men. They are part of what soldiers should be fighting to protect. Males are biologically expendable in comparison to females. Land can be recovered if lost, buildings can be reconstructed if destroyed – mothers (and future mothers) cannot.

Army Spec. Shoshana Johnson’s kids will get their mom back, Pfc. Lori Piestewa’s toddlers will not. For those at home, the loss of a mother is exponentially more significant (especially to a child) than that of a father. This fact is universally and viscerally understood by all but the most stubborn of Utopians..."

309 posted on 11/07/2003 11:40:36 AM PST by walford (Dogmatism swings both ways)
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Sounds like Lynch is discovering there's a lot more money to be made by conforming to politically correct views of the war, the military, etc., to me. Heck, Oprah will want her, Bahbra Wahwah, liberal scumwads everywhere.

I've never thought she was a 'hero', but I certainly feel badly for her suffering what she did.

312 posted on 11/07/2003 11:51:12 AM PST by bluejean
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They used me as a way to symbolize all this stuff...

I wonder what part of her oath she didn't understand?

With all due respect and sympathy for what she went through, my respect for her is sinking rapidly.

It began when she was "too busy" to meet the Iraqi who risked his life to let us know where she was, now she's bitching because the Army made her look more heroic than she really was--the same Army that pulled out all the stops to affect her rescue. The same Army that respected her privacy when everyone was demanding details of her injuries and treatment.

What's next? An on-air hug from Michael Moore?

I've decided not to watch her show or buy her book.

313 posted on 11/07/2003 11:52:44 AM PST by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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A three hundred post thread and not a single mention about the soldier who protected her and others in her unit who was awarded the Silver Star. And I shamefully can't remember his name.
325 posted on 11/07/2003 1:00:22 PM PST by A Navy Vet (government is the problem, not the solution!)
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Iraqi Doctors Dispute Lynch Rape Claim

Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen, just that they saw no evidence of it.

332 posted on 11/07/2003 1:16:14 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda.

Hey Jesse, if you were used by anyone, it was by the feminazi hags that have been insisting that women should be on the battlefield.

348 posted on 11/07/2003 2:11:42 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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Lynch says her M-16 jammed and she never got off a shot.

You should've kept your rifle clean, missy. It was Your responsibility as a "soldier" to keep it maintainted. Properly maintained, it's a wonderful weapon, little girl.

368 posted on 11/07/2003 6:51:02 PM PST by Chong (God Bless America and Her Brave Men and Women in Uniform. WE ARE WITH YOU!)
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Maybe Senator Byrd has made her an offer to testify against President Bush.
371 posted on 11/07/2003 7:23:53 PM PST by dalebert
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"Army used me" ... provocatively inane. What in the world ya think a G.I. is???
377 posted on 11/07/2003 9:16:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck ("Across this great nation people pray -- do not put out her flame" -- DFU. Go Godsquad!!!)
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It's for the money!
384 posted on 11/07/2003 9:52:36 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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I think Corky may have a few facts wrong. Wasn't this fiance her physical therapist? Recently met? So Corky says she was laying in the bed in Iraq think of Rueben, her boyfriend? I never saw or heard of him when the family were all on television.
393 posted on 11/07/2003 11:46:14 PM PST by not-an-ostrich
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Snot nosed brat. Get your 15 minutes and your money you selfish twit and go away.



396 posted on 11/08/2003 1:37:33 AM PST by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not necessarily a Republican.)
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This whole thing is so sad. Why can't people leave her alone. Everybody is using her. The Pentagon should stay away from the promotion business and the Press should stop being social workers. It was unwise for her to except the million dollar deals so soon. She wasn't given enough time to recuperate mentally from her ordeal. The public demanded an explanation before she was ready. She will be a emotional mess for rest of her life.
400 posted on 11/08/2003 6:13:43 AM PST by Milligan
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This little girl is serious about wanting to set the record straight and then be left alone. She said the Iraqi lawyer lied about her being slapped, she didn't meet with him when he came to visit. I don't know why anyone has trouble understanding why the sight of an Iraqi would be the last thing she would want her eyes to see at this point and time. Especially one she considers a liar who used her to get to the USofA.

She may seem a little odd, she may be a little odd, after her ordeal any one of us might be a little hard to understand also, one thing is for sure, I am sure not going to judge her. She wants the real hero's honored, her fellow soldiers that rescued her, she wants to be left alone, amen to both those desires.
408 posted on 11/08/2003 7:19:11 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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This young lady is going to be angry at the world. If I went through a tramatic experience, like Jessica... I would blame the Pentagon, too! Then later on I will blame the press for twisting my words and start stalking news reporters who interviewed me. I hope she will get quality psychological help at the VA to sort through her experience.
409 posted on 11/08/2003 7:53:33 AM PST by Milligan
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I'm sure Jessica will forgive all as soon as the royalties from the book and movie rights start coming in and she has swallowed a Mydol tablet or two.
430 posted on 11/09/2003 10:48:45 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If you seen yourself as other people do, you'd laugh too.)
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Jessica Lynch has angrily accused the Pentagon of using her for propaganda. The 20-year-old private, portrayed as a female Rambo after she was captured by Iraqis during a blazing gun battle, then freed by American troops, told ABC there was no reason for her rescue from an Iraqi hospital to be filmed.

Rumsfield installed hundreds of reporters amongst the troops to counteract our liberal lying media. How does she miss that.

In this sick world where evil is good and good is evil, it is sad that public support needs to be swayed when 300,000 dead bodies riddle the countryside.

We must blame this girl's ignorance of evil on the LIBERAL schools that indoctrinated her and her parents.

This ought not be so! Put the standards back in our schools and courthouses, where currently perversion replaces righteousness.

God have mercy on this foolish generation. Evolution taught as fact has turned their minds from Your truth.

451 posted on 11/10/2003 9:08:13 AM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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I am so sick of hearing of this stupid little girl spout off.

Did she have a movie made of her story? Did she write a friggin book about her i'm-just-an-ordinary-person story ?Did she make any MONEY off of it? So who used who ?

467 posted on 11/10/2003 10:01:47 AM PST by BSunday (I'm not the bad guy)
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I couldn't figure this young woman's statement out until this morning. I read now that Larry Flint has nude pictures of her. He states that he is "keeping" them frm those that are exploiting her like the US government.

Sounds to me like Larry Flint is blackmailing Ms. Lynch. Say what I want you to say or I publish the pictures.
475 posted on 11/11/2003 4:59:25 AM PST by Republican Red (Karmic hugs welcomed!)
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