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George and Ted's detente; War views aside, former president hails Kennedy for public service
Dallas Morning News ^
| 11-07-03
Posted on 11/07/2003 6:50:23 PM PST by Brian S
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posted on
11/07/2003 6:50:24 PM PST
by
Brian S
To: Brian S
Painful. I couldn't stand shaking hands with the guy, personally. Maybe this business could be justified if some great cause could be gained by it, or if in some way it helped our country. But I don't expect the Teddy and his friends to behave any better than they did before. You can't teach an old dog new tricks, and Kennedy has been a scum for a very long time.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:00:23 PM PST
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Brian S
Bush should be awarded a Nobel prize for bland gutlessness. It isn't class. It's gutlessness. His gutlessness also defused the Reagan momentum and got us the Clintons.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:02:58 PM PST
by
RLK
To: RLK
Hear, Hear!!!
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:10:37 PM PST
by
Brian S
To: Brian S
Goodlord, is there such a lack of Excellence in Public Service contenders that ted kennedy would be the winner??
Sometimes, often times,lately, the question What the hell are they thinking? comes to mind.
To: Brian S
That whole scene sounds surreal. The man's a degenerate, wet brain criminal.
To: Cicero
Being gracious and civil to your political opponents may not be popular on this forum, but it strikes the right note with me. Meanwhile, one manuevers the levers to truncate the influence of one's opponents, always more out of sorrow or a sense of duty rather than anger. In other words, one slips the knife in, gently, gently in the night.
Folks tend to shy away from Manichean type politicians, who are perceived as demonizing opponents. That was one of Clinton's secrets of success. He had the light touch.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:15:04 PM PST
by
Torie
To: RLK
I have a hazy memory of the Bush I era of being one example after another of snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. raising taxes; vetoing civil rights then turing around and passing it; Souter; inability to respond to Democrats on economy, nor to get any tax relief passed;
blowing a 90% approval rating 18 months before an election and losing to a draft-dodger ... phew, that's a hard stunt to pull!
This clueless tactless and thoroughly inappropriate award by Bush 41 explains the political hamfistedness behind that political mind, who never really won a race higher than Congress except on the backs of others (1988 was a Reagan 3rd term victory, scripted by Lee Atwater).
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:21:10 PM PST
by
WOSG
(I SUPPORT COLONEL WEST.)
To: Torie
Meanwhile, one manuevers the levers to truncate the influence of one's opponents, always more out of sorrow or a sense of duty rather than anger. In other words, one slips the knife in, gently, gently in the night. Oh yes, its been "most effective" with the Kennedy Klan...indeed.
Spare us the drivel, should you be so kind.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:24:36 PM PST
by
Brian S
To: Brian S
I found the following helpful info for Ted Kennedy in a local paper:
Portion of Weedon Loop to close for bridge repairs
Eagle staff report
A portion of Weedon Loop will be closed to through traffic starting Monday because of construction, the Brazos County Road and Bridge Department has announced.
The section under construction will be a bridge structure located about 1.5 miles from the intersection of Weedon Loop and Hardy Weedon Road.
County workers will be replacing the bridge decking.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:26:22 PM PST
by
doug from upland
(Why aren't the Clintons living out their remaining years on Alcatraz?)
To: Torie
Excuse me, but Bush 41 is out of politics. This is not about deomonizing or not demonizing. This is about giving undeserved recognition to someone who has been wrong about almost everything he touches in domestic and foreign policy and who has done damage to the nation (Higher taxes. He Borked Bork! Opposed efforts to win the cold war, the Gulf War, etc.). Ted Kennedy has been the nations *worst* Senator for 30 years!
How many Republican Senators have gotten this award?
All 50 that worked with Bush? Did Newt Gingrich, who annoyed Bush 41 by properly voting *against* the 1991 tax cut and who nearly succeeded in stopping it (which would have saved Bush 41's hide) did he get a medal from Bush 41? Ever? No, this is far beyond being civil with enemies. This is dumping on your friends and inviting your enemies into the honored places.
Calling Sen Kennedy a public servant who "has waged a purposeful battle to improve the human condition." is like describing a pedophile as someone who "likes children".
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:29:16 PM PST
by
WOSG
(I SUPPORT COLONEL WEST.)
To: Brian S
I liked the phrase so much let me repeat it:
Calling Sen Kennedy a public servant who "has waged a purposeful battle to improve the human condition." is like describing a pedophile as someone who "likes children".
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:30:41 PM PST
by
WOSG
(I SUPPORT COLONEL WEST.)
To: Torie
Being gracious and civil to your political opponents may not be popular on this forum, but it strikes the right note with me.It does with me as well. Not too long ago I saw some ceremony honoring Ronald Reagan. Lott and Kennedy each spoke of him, with Nancy in the audience. Lott came across as stiff and emotionless. Kennedy, on the other hand, told several stories about Reagan and did so with the kind of affection that made you smile.
I don't like Kennedy at all, but I don't forget that night when he spoke of Reagan. It showed me a different side.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:30:45 PM PST
by
Dolphy
To: RLK; Howlin; Sabertooth; NYC Republican; section9; Nick Danger; Lazamataz; blam; Dog Gone; ...
It's far too easy to sit in the anonymous confines of our right-wing forum and bash every liberal under the Sun, as well as bashing every Pubbie who doesn't declare all-out perpetual war against them...
But 32% of Americans are registered as Democrats. 31% of us are registered as Republicans. The rest of our voters fall all over the spectrum.
Needless to say, if our appeal was limited to merely that 31% of our fellow like-minded right-wingers, we wouldn't be winning very many elections (and it would be puppets of the Clintons running the entire War on Terror show worldwide right now).
The Bush's have class, style, and political savvy, on the other hand. They have extended at least the 2nd olive branch to the Kennedy's (undeniably a powerful political family). One olive branch was the Education Bill. This civic award is the 2nd such goodwill gesture, and just as I approved of President Reagan extending a goodwill gesture to Gorbachav during the Cold war, so too do I applaud this passing of the peace pipe.
And I can afford to be magnanimous. Sans the lies and spin of the left-wing news media, our ideas, principles, and policies will clearly triumph over the Left whenever there is a level playing field.
So I welcome civilized debate rather than the treasonous rabble found in the latest Senate Intelligence Committee memo. If we can swing Ben Nelson, Ted Kennedy, Braux, and other such Senators to condemn out-of-bounds attacks and tricks (and somehow achieve a more level playing field), then I have full faith that our ideas will win in fair, open, and honest debate (something that the Left clearly fears as indicated by their zest to mischaracterize the Iraq War, our economy, forest fire policy, etc.).
And that's what today was. This was an olive branch. It was a gesture aimed at achieving civil discourse in the future, rather than resorting to civil war in the present.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:33:31 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: WOSG
Ya we just have different points of view on this. I don't think that acknowledging that Kennedy has been an influential senator who articulates well his point of view, means that his agenda will be advanced. Part of Dubya's success is his strategy of softening the image of conservatism, even as he takes quite conservative positions on many issues (no not all, and to the extent he doesn't, I sometimes agree, and sometimes disagree). You may not agree with any of that, but that's OK. The right of center position will prosper more to the extent folks sense it is not animated by anger or personal animus.
Your mileage may vary, and no doubt does. I stand by my point of view on this one however.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:35:57 PM PST
by
Torie
To: Dolphy
Most senators like Kennedy personally, including hard right ones. That is because he does not personalize his politics, and when he does trash personalities, he usually does not relish it. I say that as one who rarely agrees with anything that comes out of Kennedy's mouth when it comes to policy, and I am only somewhat right of center overall.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:39:57 PM PST
by
Torie
To: Southack
Needless to say, if our appeal was limited to merely that 31% of our fellow like-minded right-wingers, we wouldn't be winning very many elections
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We won't win elections by awarding the worst trash in the country good housekeeping seals of approval and thereby telling the people they should vote for them.
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The first sing of class and stature is to avoid contact with, and recognition of, trash and degeneracy. The American people would greatly benefit from that model. If Bush had any class he wouldn't even appear on the same stage with the Kennedys.
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:41:02 PM PST
by
RLK
To: Brian S
Please excuse me for my cynicism.... I'm getting the distinct impression that all these Washington types consider themselves the **Ruling Elite.** We are the pawns, they are the kingmakers. They do their dog and pony act whenever an election rolls around, but in between elections, they take turns ruling the planet and strutting their stuff.
Maybe you could say I'm having a bad day. Then again, what if I'm right? Some buck the tide - a handful - but the rest play the game. They play, we pay.
"....If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck......"
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:46:02 PM PST
by
Humidston
(Two Words: TERM LIMITS)
To: Brian S
Mr. Bush, who personally selected the senator for the award, said he was a worthy political adversary who in 41 years in the Senate "has waged a purposeful battle to improve the human condition."Please, Freepers... help me with this uncertainty:
Is"PUKE" the correct exclamation in this absurd case ???
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posted on
11/07/2003 7:46:08 PM PST
by
GeekDejure
(<H3> Searching For The Meaning Of "Huge" Fonts !!!</H3>)
To: Brian S
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, let's just pretend to disagree with each other. The essence of our present political system.
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