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Plan would allow teaching without formal training
The Houston Chronicle ^ | November 8, 2003 | JANET ELLIOTT

Posted on 11/07/2003 10:25:43 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

AUSTIN -- A much-criticized plan to allow individuals without formal education training to teach high school classes narrowly won tentative approval Friday night from the state Board for Educator Certification.

The 5-4 vote followed five hours of emotional debate and left some teachers in the audience in tears. The proposal next goes before the state Board of Education.

"It waters down certification standards significantly," said Lauren Whelan, a government affairs attorney with the Association of Texas Professional Educators. "It's a slap in the face to current teachers who have taken the time to get this training."

Board member Adele Quintana, a teacher in the Dumas Independent School District, said the board was forgetting its mission to ensure the highest quality teachers.

"Our mission is not to put warm bodies in the classroom," Quintana said.

Among those supporting the rule was James Windham, a citizen board member from Houston. He noted there already are a number of alternate routes to preparing and certifying educators.

"We need to allow these districts the leeway to manage their human resources," said Windham.

Teachers and college education officials strongly objected to the rule, saying it could lead to untrained teachers in classrooms.

But the Texas Association of School Boards and the Texas Association of School Administrators supported the rule, saying it is needed to address a chronic teacher shortage.

The Texas Association of Business also backed the rule.

"Texas' recent high-tech layoffs offer a pool of highly qualified teachers who could offer students a wealth of knowledge along with practical real-life experience, particularly in the areas of science and math," TAB President Bill Hammond said in a statement.

The traditional route to becoming a teacher in Texas is to obtain a college degree that includes education classes.

People with a college degree but no formal education training also can enter the classroom through an alternative certification program that allows them to teach while they are taking education courses. The courses cost several thousand dollars.

The temporary teacher certificate plan approved Friday would allow people to receive a two-year certificate to teach grades eight through 12 if their degree is related to the subject they would teach and they pass state teacher exams. All teachers must pass the exams.

School districts would be required to provide the new teachers with training, mentoring and professional development. After two years, they could be granted a standard certificate if they had received good reviews.

The rule now goes to the state Board of Education, which has 90 days to review it. The board could kill the rule with a two-thirds vote, but is not scheduled to meet again during the 90-day period.

Holly Eaton, director of professional development for the Texas Classroom Teachers Association, said the educator certification board considered a similar proposal four years ago, but it was rejected by the elected State Board of Education.

After two state Board of Education members voiced concern about the plan at their meeting Friday, Chairwoman Geraldine Miller said she would consider calling a special meeting. If the state Board of Education does not reject the rule, it would come back to the educator certification board next spring for final approval.

Teachers unions successfully fought legislation this year and in 2001 that would have created a similar program.

Richard Kouri, a lobbyist for the Texas State Teachers Association, said the rule would create "recession migrant teachers."

"When the economy heads south, they'd check into a classroom for a while and then move on," said Kouri.

Kouri said the state should be raising teacher pay and improving working conditions to lure back the many teachers who have left the profession.

Others complained that parents would not be notified when their children were being taught by someone with a temporary certificate.

Sarah Winkler, a member of the Alief Independent School District Board of Trustees, addressed criticism that districts would be forced to bear the cost of teacher training. She said the program would be optional and would likely only be used when a district cannot fill a specific position.

"We want to expand the pool of certified teachers," said Winkler. "The traditional program and the (alternative certification program) are not providing all the teachers we need."

Karen Soehnge, of the school administrators' association, said the state is short 45,000 teachers every year. Math, science and foreign language teachers are the hardest to find.


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The 5-4 vote followed five hours of emotional debate and left some teachers in the audience in tears.

If they care about the children, they should be thrilled.

Teachers unions successfully fought legislation this year and in 2001 that would have created a similar program.

This is a crack in the dam holding back education. Teachers'unions, the DNC stronghold, have a stranglehold on public education. This vote signals a positive change.

1 posted on 11/07/2003 10:25:44 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
untrained teachers

Wrong. They mean UNINDOCTRINATED 'teachers'.

Any person rational, intelligent, and organized enough to get an advanced degree in a subject is more than capable of organizing the educational materials and presenting them to students.

Even if it's Chemistry, it's not rocket science.

2 posted on 11/07/2003 10:31:43 PM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Others complained that parents would not be notified when their children were being taught by someone with a temporary certificate.

Oh yeah. We've got a Nobel prize winner in Physics teaching science to your kids but he's obviously not qualified to teach the subject because he's only got a 'temporary certificate'.

Oh puuuullleeezzzeee!

3 posted on 11/07/2003 10:34:21 PM PST by jimkress (America has become Soviet Union Lite)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
There's hope yet.
4 posted on 11/07/2003 10:39:09 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I'm substitute teaching in a Texas ISD, (Independent School District). Yesterday, (Nov 6), I was subbing in a high school and I came into conversation with teacher who is one of these marching morons.

Bush is a liar.

Iraq is all about oil.

Clinton is the best prez we'e ever had.

Clinton's groping is a personal affair.

Arnold should be prosecuted.

And on and on.

This was a social studies teacher and her social bent is similar to the bent one!!!! In order to lead properly the electorate must be mallable, (read ignorant). Yep, the teacher's unions are in league with the devil!

5 posted on 11/07/2003 10:42:47 PM PST by Young Werther
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Most homeschool parents teach without formal training and do a better job.
6 posted on 11/07/2003 10:55:26 PM PST by SwinneySwitch (Freedom isn't Free - Support the Troops & Vets!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It waters down certification standards significantly," said Lauren Whelan, a government affairs attorney with the Association of Texas Professional Educators. "It's a slap in the face to current teachers who have taken the time to get this training."

After Educrat to English translation:

"It weakens our stranglehold on supply and demand for teacher labor, as well as endangering our absolute ability to make sure all teachers have had their proper socilist indoctrination courses. Worse yet, without the threat of having to sit through the mind numbing re-education courses, taught by leftover 60's socialists, people with a mind of their own might be more drawn to the profession and could end up teaching the next generation of sheeple drones, er, ah, citizens. The horror!"

7 posted on 11/07/2003 10:57:26 PM PST by Still Thinking
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The 5-4 vote followed five hours of emotional debate and left some teachers in the audience in tears.

Homeschool moms , some with nothing but a high school education, are better teachers. Why not use the best people to get the job done right?

The reason teachers need certification is because the NEA wanted the colleges full and a government supported monopoly once they left. It doesn't mean they're any good at teaching.
I read once that the reason most teach in America is because they failed to get the degrees they originally went to college for. It's the only job they could get.

Others become government school teachers because they only work an average of 6 months a year, recieve a whole years paycheck with mega bennies, get the entire summer off, and can never be fired for anything. Pedophile teachers that are caught molesting students quietly get moved to another state with good recommendations! (2 got caught here. Both were males assulting male students. They were politically correct, but the parents didn't seee it that way.)

8 posted on 11/07/2003 10:57:42 PM PST by concerned about politics ( As a rightous man declarith a thing, so shall it be.)
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Even if it's Chemistry, it's not rocket science.

And their knowledge of the subject is vastly better. Today's teachers know theories and such but these new hire teachers know the subject. Which will pass on the most knowledge?

9 posted on 11/07/2003 10:58:52 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jimkress
Wrong. They mean UNINDOCTRINATED 'teachers'.

Wrong again. If they went to college and obtained any type of degree, they are already indoctrinated.

Take it from someone who knows. My daughter has a master's degree in environmental science and is currently looking into some of these "fast-track" teaching positions because her current job offers little future.

I hate to say this about my own, but she has been thoroughly indoctrinated with the liberals' view on environmental issues. In other areas, she leans a little to the right, but is mostly moderate.

I raised her better -- I really did - LOL.

10 posted on 11/07/2003 10:58:58 PM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Texas' recent high-tech layoffs offer a pool of highly qualified teachers who could offer students a wealth of knowledge along with practical real-life experience, particularly in the areas of science and math,"

They're trying to get academics back into the classroom? No wonder the teachers unions are crying. They'll lose their indoctrination privelages! They'll actually have to teach....ARG....reading and stuff! What about the socialist revolution?????

11 posted on 11/07/2003 11:01:36 PM PST by concerned about politics ( As a rightous man declarith a thing, so shall it be.)
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To: concerned about politics; Still Thinking; SwinneySwitch; Young Werther; facedown; All
Great posts. Thanks for the tutorial
12 posted on 11/07/2003 11:02:55 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: concerned about politics
They're trying to get academics back into the classroom? No wonder the teachers unions are crying. They'll lose their indoctrination privelages! They'll actually have to teach....ARG....reading and stuff! What about the socialist revolution?????

Just imagine what this will do to the grading curve when evaluation time rolls around.

13 posted on 11/07/2003 11:04:28 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: concerned about politics
Others become government school teachers because they only work an average of 6 months a year,

Where is this happening?

14 posted on 11/07/2003 11:06:32 PM PST by Freee-dame
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To: bjcintennessee
I raised her better -- I really did - LOL.

Remind her that fossil fuels are a good thing. We're recycling dinosaurs!

15 posted on 11/07/2003 11:07:34 PM PST by concerned about politics ( As a rightous man declarith a thing, so shall it be.)
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To: Freee-dame
Where is this happening?

In the U.S. Get a hold of a school calendar. Count the hours the students are actually in class. It comes out to 6 mo. per year. The rest are holidays, snow days, etc.
That doesn't even include the days the teachers use substitutes. AND, many have a teachers aid, because "they work too hard."

16 posted on 11/07/2003 11:12:23 PM PST by concerned about politics ( As a rightous man declarith a thing, so shall it be.)
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Just imagine what this will do to the grading curve when evaluation time rolls around.

As in, teacher evaluations.

17 posted on 11/07/2003 11:12:40 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: concerned about politics
They're trying to get academics back into the classroom? No wonder the teachers unions are crying. They'll lose their indoctrination privelages! They'll actually have to teach....ARG....reading and stuff! What about the socialist revolution?????

This reminds me of a thread the other day about a program sponsored by the RIAA where the kids were exposed to presentations discussng the moral/ethical issues involved in downloading music from the net. Many of the teachers were upset about the program because if the kids chose to write essays on the topic, they had the chance to win prizes like MP2 players, music, etc. To me, the teachers were missing the point, the real issue is how do the schools have the manpower and time to administer non-academic programs while complaining endlessly that they are underfunded? If they have time for non-essentials, all the essential stuff must already be taken care of. If on the other hand, they lack sufficient resources to do THE JOB WE ARE PAYING THEM FOR, where do they get off spending our dollars doing this kind of crap?????

18 posted on 11/07/2003 11:12:53 PM PST by Still Thinking
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am open to other opinions on the matter, but my personal take is that education classes should not be taken in lieu of an education. If specialized teaching classes are to be required they should be taken after a conventional degree has been taken.

Not instead of a conventional degree.

I have read that in Germany, teachers are required to have two masters degrees in other subject matters before beginning their teachers training. I guess the idea is that a teacher should be well educated.

Of course, then you might have to increase the pay.
19 posted on 11/07/2003 11:19:21 PM PST by marron
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You don't know what I've been through today at the school. In my opinion they are jack-booted Nazi types who have no respect for rights or for children. Not all of them but those who are on a power trip. Damn, I wish I was a lawyer. I considered calling in the ACLU because at least they will fight these a$$holes where others won't but then I went to their website and was forcibly reminded off all they stand for and didn't.

I've known people who have a natural affinity for children and teaching and I've known brilliant, educated people who didn't know how to handle children, don't respect them and couldn't teach them if their life depended on it.

20 posted on 11/07/2003 11:21:48 PM PST by tiki
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