Replies

I don't agree with this. I don't believe they ache for a God. I believe they ache for independence and to face a foe so overwhelming that chances are they will perish in the end. I believe that what the producers were attempting to accomplish in the series is how lack of faith (spirituality), lack of discipline with regard to how the Matrix evolved, and the ensuing wars that occured (BE SURE TO WATCH ANIMATRIX!) are all perfect examples of the fallacies of what happens when Humankind attempts to manipulate the world around him with no regard to the outcome. It's a textbook example of no matter what you engineer, it's only as good as the thought processes that go into product development cycles and remember humans are invariably bound to failure more so than success.

I have to disagree with you because of what you mention. They have imperfect machine gods sharing control of the Matrix, the Oracle and the Architect. There is an imperfect machine god, the 01 -- Deus Ex Machina. The humans even offer up prayers to who knows what and rely on their own strength or some myth of unknown origin. These imperfect humans designed machines which can never be more perfect than those who created them. Certainly these are not fit to be the humans' god. The people are in need of a true and perfect God, the one who answers prayer, who works all things together for their good. The one who truly controls everything. All three movies sorely lacked this understanding.

I agree with Lileks, only I would remove one word and exchange it for a few others. All three Matrix movies, seen in total, ache for a the one true God.

Machina. The humans even offer up prayers to who knows what and rely on their own strength or some myth of unknown origin. These imperfect humans designed machines which can never be more perfect than those who created them. Certainly these are not fit to be the humans' god. The people are in need of a true and perfect God, the one who answers prayer, who works all things together for their good. The one who truly controls everything. All three movies sorely lacked this understanding.

I agree with Lileks, only I would remove one word and exchange it for a few others. All three Matrix movies, seen in total, ache for a the one true God.

Ok, I can understand your viewpoint on the series. It's quite understandable. While searching for the one true God, I think the movies takes on a religious implication that ... I suppose, is not intended for finding "God" or a some semblance of such an entity.

Here is where I think the Wachowski Brothers attempted to expound upon. There is no God in this world. Humans freed from the Matrix seeking some semblance of God for comfort and strength. That is how Neo ties up for M3 (Which I've yet to see). From what I have read Neo evolved into a diety/God for the people of Zion. Now is this required? Or was it thrown in to appease the overall goal of the trilogy?

Let met expound ...
Take religion / God / Spirituality out of the equation when you reflect upon the series.... The overall problem is that mankind developed these machines, the machines became cognizcent enough to place demands on humankind, but were rebuffed.

If you have NOT watched the ANIMATRIX ... It's imperative to view it .. The plot tie in is amazing, and really is required viewing to fully understand the transition between M2 and M3.

There is ALOT of history with the ANIMATRIX series that is not present on the movies and without watching the DVD, there is a lot of storyline/plot development that is missing.

I dunno, in my opinion there are certain goals that need to be attained in certain order for real life humans in Zion to get the upper hand on the machines.

At the basic level it is survivial (M1), at the staging level it is setting expectations to lead into M3 (M2), and in M3, as Ive mentioned before, I have yet to see and the reports I've been reading about Neo somehow developing into a God or diety that the people of Zion are craving for direction, is simply a ploy to lead to future movies and/or animatrix features.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is finding God/Spirituality/Fellowship so important to the people of Zion, compared to say, discovering themselves and escaping the perils of Morality via self-discovery?

It's a double-edged sword to a degree. What's more important? Discovering "God" or discovering that what it takes to survive into the future is the ability to distinguish the difference between the Matrix and true reality? Why do they need God in order to establish their community?

IMHO, the storyline is definitely geared to the what if? scenario based upon the actions of human kind (or lack thereof). We can turn this into a religious debate, or a philisophical debate. It's rather easy and left open to interpretation on the reader's part as to which he'd like to adopt.