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The Dollar Crisis: An interview with Richard Duncan
PrudentBear.com ^ | November 8, 2003 | Richard Duncan

Posted on 11/09/2003 6:19:43 AM PST by Starwind

Guest Commentary, by Richard Duncan

The Dollar Crisis: An interview with Richard Duncan

November 8, 2003

Richard Duncan is author of a new book called "The Dollar Crisis: Causes, Consequences, Cures." In it, he argues that the Japanese bubble, the Asian Crisis and the U.S. bubble are related. In Mr. Duncan's view, problems have been building since the U.S. ditched the Bretton Woods system for what turned out to be a "dollar standard." As Richard will explain, the U.S. has benefited from the dollar standard because the U.S. is allowed to play by different rules. It appears, however, that we've overplayed our hand. But before we find out why Mr. Duncan thinks that a "dollar crisis" is inevitable, let's learn how we got here.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: Before we find out where we are, can you help us find out where we've been by filling us in on Bretton Woods? For example, under Bretton Woods, what happens when a country imports more than it exports?

RICHARD DUNCAN: To see what has gone wrong with the global financial architecture, it's first necessary to understand that the global economy functions very differently today than it did before the Bretton Woods System collapsed in the early 1970s. Today, the United States' Current Account Deficit is 60 million Dollars...AN HOUR. A Million Dollars a minute, if you will. Or roughly 17 thousand Dollars a second. Let's call it HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.

That's the amount by which the United States is subsidizing the rest of the world's economy each year. AND, that's the amount by which the United States' net debt to the rest of the world is increasing each year. It's also the amount by which international reserves - and the Global Money Supply?are expanding each year since the increase in international reserves is more or less determined by the size of the annual US Current Account deficit.

Under the Gold Standard, or the quasi-gold standard Bretton Woods System, such an extraordinary surge in global liquidity would have been impossible.

There were automatic adjustment mechanisms inherent in the gold standard that made large, multi-year trade imbalances unsustainable. For instance, if England had a persistent trade deficit with France, England?s gold would have been shipped to France. The expanded Monetary Base in France would have allowed an expansion of credit creation that would have resulted in rapid economic growth and, eventually, inflation.

The opposite would have occurred in England. England would have lost gold. Therefore its Monetary Base would have contracted, necessitating a contraction of credit. Credit contraction would have caused a recession and, as a result, falling prices.

After a few years, with prices in France rising and prices in England falling, the French would have begun to buy more English goods, while the English bought fewer French good, until equilibrium on the balance of trade was restored.

From the beginning of the Nation State up until the early 1970s, that is how international trade worked. And, it was within that framework that all the classical economic theory of the 18th and 19th Centuries was formulated.

Once Bretton Woods broke down, however, the self-adjustment mechanisms inherent in the gold standard ceased to function and the global economy began to operate in a way that would have been entirely inconceivable to Adam Smith or David Ricardo.

International Trade no longer had to balance. Deficits merely had to be financed. Consequently, trade imbalances exploded and the greatest global financial bonanza in history got under way.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: So it would be impossible for the U.S. to have today's trade deficit under Bretton Woods?

RICHARD DUNCAN: Under the Gold Standard or the quasi-gold standard Bretton Woods system, the United States could not have run very large current account deficits over many years because those deficits would have depleted its gold reserves, causing credit to contract, driving the economy into recession and pushing prices down until Americans could no longer afford to buy any more foreign-made goods.

For example, according to IMF statistics, the market value of the United States' gold reserves is $83.3 billion. In 2001, the US trade deficit with China alone was $83 billion. Therefore, under a gold standard, the entire US gold reserves would have been depleted just to cover one year's current account deficit with China, wiping out all the base money of the United States.

In the post Bretton Woods world, the United States does not have to pay for its deficits with gold. It can pay with paper money or debt instruments instead - and there are technically no limits as to the amount of such credit instruments that the United States can create.

What this means is that the self adjustment mechanism inherent in the Gold Standard that prevented large and persistent trade imbalances ceased to function when Bretton Woods collapsed. While the surplus nations did experience economic overheating and hyper inflation in asset prices just as they would have under the Gold Standard, the deficit country, the United States, did not deflate because it didn't have to pay for its deficits out of a limited amount of gold reserves, but instead could finance those deficit by issuing more and more debt instruments - or simply by printing more Dollars. And that is exactly what it has been doing.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: Okay, but with Bretton Woods now old school, let's talk about how the dollar standard works today. What's to stop us from importing all the goods we want?

RICHARD DUNCAN: In 1988, the US was still a net creditor nation. Now, its net debt to the rest of the world is roughly $3 trillion Dollars, give or take a couple hundred billion. That's approximately 30% of US GDP or 10% of world GDP.

Since the United States' current account deficit is now more than 5% of US GDP per annum, that means the United States' net debt to the rest of the world will rise to 35% of GDP by the end of 2004, 40% by the end of '05, 45% by the end of '06, and so on. Of course, this rise in net indebtedness as a percentage of GDP will be affected by the rate of GDP growth. But, it must not be forgotten that the GDP can contract as well as expand; and given the imbalances in the US economy a very painful recession is a more probable scenario than most would like to admit.

The problem with the rapid increase in US indebtedness is that the United States must be able to service the interest on that debt. And, already, here things have begun to turn tricky.

Foreign investors now own more than 40% of the US government's tradable debt, 26% of US corporate bonds, and 13% of US equities.

What's next? Already US consumers are up to their eyeballs in debt. Overly indebted US corporations are going bankrupt in droves. Which sector of the economy will be able to issue (and service) an additional $500 to $600 billion worth of debt every year - year after year - so long as the present extraordinary trade imbalances persist?

If new US Dollar debt instruments of this magnitude are not forthcoming, the surplus nations will have no choice but to convert their Dollar surpluses into their own currencies, causing them to skyrocket and the Dollar to plunge, thereby killing the export goose that laid the golden egg.

Fortunately for the near term outlook for the Dollar, the US government has once again begun running massive budget deficits. And, there's no doubt, that the US government can service the interest on its own debt. This year the US budget deficit is expected to exceed $500 billion. However, the Current Account deficit will be $600 or more. So even if the surplus nations buy all of the US government bond issues (which is unlikely for a number of reasons) that's still not enough to absorb all of their Dollar export earnings. They would still have to buy more than one hundred billion of other Dollar denominated assets each year.

Nonetheless, the re-emergence of very large government bond sales will provide a safe home for a good part of the Dollar export earnings of the surplus nations. Consequently, it will relieve some of the pressure on the Dollar, since the United States' trading partners will be able to park at least a significant portion of their Dollar earnings in US Treasuries, instead of being forced to choose between, one, investing them in over-indebted US corporations with questionable accounting standards or, two, throwing their economies into recession by converting their dollar earnings into their own currencies, and thereby causing them to appreciate sharply.

Still, this state of affairs cannot continue indefinitely. The United States cannot continue increasing its net indebtedness to the rest of the world at the rate of 5% of GDP per year. And, not even the US government can continue running $500 billion Dollar a year budget deficits forever.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: What's wrong with a huge trade deficit? Haven't we been told that it's a sign that the U.S. offers the best investment opportunities in the world?

RICHARD DUNCAN: Some government officials and investment bankers frequently tell the public that the US Current Account deficit is caused by the eagerness of the Rest of the World to invest in the United States. They reason that the large US Financial Account surpluses resulting from foreign investment in the United States necessitates the large US Current Account deficits, given that the Financial Account and the Current Account must completely offset one another when added together.

It is hard to understand how such a ridiculous idea could be taken seriously. Americans buy more from the rest of the world than the rest of the world buys from the United States because the rest of the world uses very low cost labor to make goods at a much lower cost than American manufacturers can. This could not be more obvious. That is why the current account surpluses of Mexico, China, Thailand, and the rest of the Asia Crisis countries rose sharply following the devaluation of their currencies in the 1990s: their labor costs fell, making their products even more attractively priced to the US consumer. Is it conceivable that American consumers buy all the foreign made products in their homes and in their closets because other countries what to invest in the United States? Or is it because those imported products were 50% cheaper than similar goods made in the US? Wage rates in Chinese factories are $5 per day. Think about it.

In 2002, the United States ran a current account deficit of approximately $500 billion because the rest of the world can manufacture products more cheaply than the US can. Anyone who tries to persuade the public that the US Current Account deficit is caused by the desire of foreign investors to buy US assets should be laughed at if he actually believes that and ashamed of himself if he doesn't. These deficits have resulted in tremendous disequilibrium in the global economy. The public should not be mislead about their origin.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: You argue that the dollar standard has global implications. Maybe we can understand what you mean by reviewing your explanation of Japanese bubble. What does a lack of constraints under the dollar standard have to do with the Japanese bubble?

RICHARD DUNCAN: By the early 1980s, the United States began buying much more from the rest of the world than the rest of the world bought from the United States. Obviously, this did wonders for the economies of those countries with large surpluses with the US.

As a result of those surpluses, the international reserves held by the United States' trading partners began to pile up. For example, Japan's international reserve rose from $3 billion in 1968 to $84 billion in 1989. Thailand's rose from $2 billion in 1984 to $38 billion in 1996.

In every instance, where international reserves expanded sharply, "Economic Miracles" occurred - for a while.

The economies of the surplus nations boomed for two reasons: The first and more obvious reason is that their exporters made terrific profits and employed large numbers of workers.

It is the second reason, however, that was the real spark that set off the economic boom, and it is this reason that is generally not understood.

It is as follows: when exporters brought their dollar earnings home, those dollars entered their domestic banking system and, being exogenous to the system, acted as high powered money.

The affect on the economy was just the same as if the central bank of that country had injected high powered money into the banking system: as those export earnings were deposited into commercial banks, they sparked off an explosion of credit creation. That is because when new deposits enter a banking system they are lent and relent multiple times given that commercial banks need only set aside a fraction of the credit extended as reserves.

Take Thailand as an example. Beginning in 1986, loan growth expanded by 25 to 30% a year for the next ten years. In a closed economy without foreign capital inflows, such rapid loan growth would have been impossible. The banks would have very quickly run out of deposits to lend, and the economy would have slowed down very much sooner.

In the event, however, with such large foreign capital inflows going into the banking system, the deposits never ran out, and the lending spree went on and on. By 1990 an asset bubble in property had developed. Every inch of Thailand had gone up in value from 4 to 10 times. Higher property prices provided more collateral backing for yet more loans?j GA 30260 {CLAYTON COUNTY} US {}} {421n. A thousand high rise buildings were added to the skyline. All the building material industries quadrupled their capacity. Corporate profits surged and the stock market shot higher. Every industry had access to cheap credit; and every industry dramatically expanded capacity. The economy rocketed into double digit annual growth as everything turned to gold in an explosion of investment.

And, so it was in all the countries that rapidly built up large foreign exchange reserves: credit expansion surged, investment and economic growth accelerated at an extraordinary pace, and asset price bubbles began to form.

Think of Japan in the 1980s; Thailand and the other Asia Crisis Countries in the 1990s; and China today.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: Why did the Asian miracle end?

RICHARD DUNCAN: The Asian miracle ended for the same reason the Japanese miracle of the 1980s ended and for the same reason that the current Chinese miracle will soon end. Those "miracle" were bubbles and bubbles always pop.

I lived in Thailand during the first half of the 1990s, so I can tell you from personal experience that economic bubbles are fun - until they pop.

Unfortunately, economic bubbles always do pop. And when they pop, they leave behind two serious problems.

First, they cause systemic banking crises that require governments to go deeply in debt to bailout the depositors of the failed banks. Economic bubbles always end in excess industrial capacity and/or unsustainably high asset prices. Banks fail because deflating asset prices and falling product prices make it impossible for over-stretched borrowers to repay their loans.

During the Bretton Woods era, systemic banking crises were practically unheard of. Since Bretton Woods broke down, however, they have occurred on a nearly pandemic scale. There have been at least 40 systemic banking crises around the world between 1980 and today.

The second problem economic bubbles leave behind when they pop is excess industrial capacity caused by the extraordinary expansion of credit during the boom years. The problem with excess capacity is that it causes Deflation.

Japan is suffering from Deflation. Hong Kong and Taiwan have deflation. Even China, where an economic bubble is still inflating, has been experiencing deflation off and on since 1998. The rest of the Asia Crisis Countries only avoided deflation by drastically devaluing their currencies and exporting deflation abroad. Think of the impact that the over expansion of Korea's semiconductor industry has had on global chip prices.

This, therefore, is the point I want to stress: trade imbalances of the magnitude experienced over the last 25 years cause unsustainable economic bubbles in the surplus countries which subsequently implode, leaving behind wrecked banking systems, heavily indebted governments, excess capacity and deflation.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: Next in line was the United States bubble. Does that mean we can blame foreigners for our bubble trouble?

RICHARD DUNCAN: First, I think we should be very careful about assigning "blame" to anyone. This is a global problem that evolved over decades. There are simply too many variables to untangle all the cause and effect relationships that produced the extraordinary economic imbalances we are discussing. Rather than pointing fingers, global policy makers need to work together to find a solution to prevent the occurrence of a world wide economic crisis when the US current account deficit inevitably unwinds.

Having said that, it is true that the surplus countries played a role in fueling the New Paradigm Bubble in the United States during the late 1990s. At that time, the US government temporarily enjoyed a budget surplus (leaving aside the issue of the unfunded Social Security program).

That budget surplus was due to all the bubble tax revenues, mostly from capital gains taxes on stocks. During those years, 1998 to 2000, the government stopped selling new Treasury Bonds.

Yet that was also the period, following the currency devaluations of the 1990s, that the current account surpluses of the United States' trading partners expanded very sharply, hitting $400 billion by 2000. Since there were no new US treasury bonds for those countries to buy with their dollar surpluses, they bought agency debt (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) and corporate bonds instead. That sparked off the property boom in the US and also facilitated the incredible misallocation of corporate credit at that time. It is no coincidence that the peak of the US economic bubble occurred when there were no new treasury bonds being issued to absorb the growing dollar surpluses of the United States' trading partners. In large part, that bubble happened because the rapidly growing dollar stockpiles of the surplus countries had to be invested in other kinds of US dollar-denominated assets if they were to generate a positive return.

PRUDENTBEAR.COM: Now we have a dynamic where we buy goods from Asia and Asia takes those dollars and buys U.S. securities. Sounds good to me, what's the catch? What will make the next five years different from the last five?

RICHARD DUNCAN: This state of affairs cannot continue indefinitely. The United States cannot continue increasing its net indebtedness to the rest of the world at the rate of 5% of GDP per year. And, not even the US government can continue running $500 billion Dollar a year budget deficits forever.

That said, while this situation can't last indefinitely, it could persist for a number of more years. Not without costs, however. As we have already seen, the US Current Account deficits are causing an explosion of the global money supply which, in turn, has been responsible for the rise of a series of bubble economies that leave systemic banking crises and deflation behind when they inevitably implode.

In other words, the United States' Current Account deficit, by flooding the world with Dollar liquidity, is creating (in fact, has already created) a global credit bubble of enormous proportions. It is only a matter of time before something will have to give.

Either government finances will snap under the strain of bailing out failed banking systems, or deflationary pressure stemming from global excess capacity will undermine corporate profitability to such an extent that unemployment will soar, causing a backlash against free trade, or the rest of the world will eventually lose faith in the ability of the United States to finance its ever growing indebtedness and, in a panic, dump their US Dollar-denominated debt instruments, making it impossible to finance further deficits.

One way or the other, this global credit bubble will - like every credit bubble before it - come unwound, the Dollar will lose much of its value, and the US Current Account deficit will correct.

Unhappily, the correction of the US Current Account deficit will have extraordinarily damaging impact on the global economy. The world economy has grown dependent on exporting to the United States. At 500 billion Dollars, the US Current Account deficit is the equivalent of almost 2% of global GDP - and, that's before any multiplier effect is taken into consideration.

The inability of the United States to indefinitely expand its indebtedness to the rest of the world at the current rate of a Million Dollars a minute means that Asia's era of export led growth will soon be coming to a close.

If policy makers don't come up with a new source of global aggregate demand to replace that presently created by the US Current Account deficit then the global economy will not be able to avoid a severe and protracted deflationary slump.

What's more, the two principle economic policy tools of the 20th Century, Monetarism and Keynesian fiscal stimulus, are not up to the task at hand. This crisis has been caused by an explosion of the global money supply. It cannot be solved by simply printing more money - as many important and powerful people would have you believe. It might be possible to fight fire with fire, but no one has ever suggested that you can fight liquidity with liquidity.

Similarly, governments are already too heavily in debt, or soon will be, to provide the type of fiscal stimulus required to resolve this crisis. Since most governments have run large budget deficits through goods years and bad over the last several decades, they're no longer in the position to provide the type of stimulus that Keynes had in mind when he published The General Theory in 1936, which, by the way, was the last time the world experienced this kind of liquidity trap.

I tell you without exaggeration that developing a new source of global aggregate demand sufficiently large to replace the stimulus that up until now has been provided by the US Current Account deficit is the greatest challenge facing economic policy makers today.

Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of David W. Tice & Associates, LLC. The opinions are subject to change, are not guaranteed and should not be considered recommendations to buy or sell any security.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: budgetdeficit; dollar; federaldeficit; forex; tradedeficit
... And, there's no doubt, that the US government can service the interest on its own debt. This year the US budget deficit is expected to exceed $500 billion. However, the Current Account deficit will be $600 or more. So even if the surplus nations buy all of the US government bond issues (which is unlikely for a number of reasons) that's still not enough to absorb all of their Dollar export earnings. They would still have to buy more than one hundred billion of other Dollar denominated assets each year.

Ah, but I question if the US can in fact service its own debt. From Interest Expense on the Debt Outstanding:

Interest Expense
FISCAL Year 2004
    October $ 13,311,682,915.94   
      ----------------------   
FISCAL Year Total $ 13,311,682,915.94   
Available Historical Data
FISCAL Year End
2003 $318,148,529,151.51   
2002 $332,536,958,599.42   
2001 $359,507,635,242.41   
2000 $361,997,734,302.36   
1999 $353,511,471,722.87   
1998 $363,823,722,920.26   
1997 $355,795,834,214.66   
1996 $343,955,076,695.15   
1995 $332,413,555,030.62   
1994 $296,277,764,246.26   
1993 $292,502,219,484.25   
1992 $292,361,073,070.74   
1991 $286,021,921,181.04   
1990 $264,852,544,615.90   
1989 $240,863,231,535.71   
1988 $214,145,028,847.73   

Note above how the total annual interest payments have fallen off in the prior 3 years (even with debt rising) due to the 13 successive interest rate cuts.

While it doesn't give a breakdown of what interest rate is paid on which portion of the debt, let's assume the interest is paid by borrowing with 91-day bills, and let's consider what would happen to the total interest expense in fiscal 2003 of $318B (about $26.5B/mo) if the interest rate were to rise back to pre-recession levels, say 5%?

A five-fold increase in interest payments alone (rate increase from about 1% to about 5%) would bring the monthly Federal debt service to about $132B/mo = 5 x $26B.

Well, $132B/mo for interest is $1.6T/year. Presently the treasury anticipates borrowing a 'record' $160B for Q1C04 (80% of which would go to interest payments if rates rose to pre-recession levels) probably necessitating an %80 increase in net borrowing to $288B/qtr just to borrow the same 'principal' to cover the federal deficits.

So I question if in fact the US can pay the interest on it's debt. Perhaps someone else knows better which notes at which interest rates were historically used to pay interest on the Federal debt, and we can revise this 'estimate'.

Yet that was also the period, following the currency devaluations of the 1990s, that the current account surpluses of the United States' trading partners expanded very sharply, hitting $400 billion by 2000. Since there were no new US treasury bonds for those countries to buy with their dollar surpluses, they bought agency debt (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) and corporate bonds instead. That sparked off the property boom in the US and also facilitated the incredible misallocation of corporate credit at that time. It is no coincidence that the peak of the US economic bubble occurred when there were no new treasury bonds being issued to absorb the growing dollar surpluses of the United States' trading partners. In large part, that bubble happened because the rapidly growing dollar stockpiles of the surplus countries had to be invested in other kinds of US dollar-denominated assets if they were to generate a positive return.

Perhaps Greenspan is not soley to blame for the late 90's stock market bubble.

1 posted on 11/09/2003 6:19:43 AM PST by Starwind
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To: AntiGuv; arete; sourcery; Soren; Tauzero; imawit; David; AdamSelene235; sarcasm; Lazamataz; ...
Opinions, comments, feedback, please?
2 posted on 11/09/2003 6:20:32 AM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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To: Starwind
Amazing how errors are obvious only after posting...

Well, $132B/mo for interest is $1.6T/year. Presently the treasury anticipates borrowing a 'record' $160B for Q1C04 (80% 240% of which would go to interest payments if rates rose to pre-recession levels) probably necessitating an %80 340% increase in net borrowing to $288B/qtr $544B/qtr just to borrow the same 'principal' to cover the federal deficits.

3 posted on 11/09/2003 6:30:20 AM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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as the ucla economists Armen Alchian ( same ideology as Milton Friedman) once said," the trade deficit has less impact on the economy than my golf score".
4 posted on 11/09/2003 7:53:59 AM PST by genghis
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To: Starwind
good article
5 posted on 11/09/2003 8:13:10 AM PST by Ahban
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To: Starwind
Bretton Woods was a disaster waiting to happen. It was a manipulation scheme, not a gold standard, but since gold was part of the scheme, that means all the gold kooks loved it, and still do today. We had to get off Bretton Woods, it wasn't a choice. The dollar wasn't worth what gold said it was worth (mainly because we were manipulating the price of gold). We were in default.

The main problem was government spending and debt, not whether we were on a gold standard. The Bretton Woods system actually allowed the government to spend more and borrow more, because the stable price of gold gave everyone a false sense of security.

6 posted on 11/09/2003 9:16:18 AM PST by Moonman62
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To: Starwind
Since the United States' current account deficit is now more than 5% of US GDP per annum, that means the United States' net debt to the rest of the world will rise to 35% of GDP by the end of 2004, 40% by the end of '05, 45% by the end of '06, and so on. Of course, this rise in net indebtedness as a percentage of GDP will be affected by the rate of GDP growth. But, it must not be forgotten that the GDP can contract as well as expand; and given the imbalances in the US economy a very painful recession is a more probable scenario than most would like to admit.

What in the world does this guy mean by net indebtedness? He's adding up the percent trade balance, but he's not adding up GDP, he's holding it steady. Even if the GDP does contract or doesn't grow, it wouldn't make much of a difference. GDP is growing anyway, by leaps and bounds.

7 posted on 11/09/2003 9:23:26 AM PST by Moonman62
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As an example, be cognizant of the fact that balance of payments can be converted into Yen which causes the Yen to expand and devalue. The money Japan receives for exporting to the US then is devalued as it now becomes Yen and in addition the larger qty of Yen also causes inflation in Japan.

So to resolve this problem, Japan can put its dollars gained by export into the US stock market, US treasuries, GSE mtg securities and US real estate. In order to have US Treasuries to buy, they have to be issued or in other words the US government has to be running at a deficit so that new US Treasuries are issued (current government deficit is $500 million/half a Trillion). This leaves $100 million still to be placed. This can be placed with Fannie & Freddie securities and for this to happen, Fannie & Freddie have to be issuing new securities or in other words, an inflation of real estate value with new mtgs holding this higher debt has to occur. So if you buy these securities and real estate you can net gains in interest and appreciation.

If Japan puts its export dollars into stocks, this will raise the value of stocks and the stock markets and there is a net gain in equity valuation.

The way I see it is that all of these investments can turn on a dime and you then have a crisis as Japan wants to get out of all of the investments before they lose it all. Real estate will turn much more slowly because of the fact real estate is always useable and doesn’t have to be sold because it can be used, i.e. homes. This will mean that real estate will fall at a much slower pace than financial equities.

There will also be many many more dollars in circulation that have been extracted from the above equity vehicles and these dollars will go in search of other things. Now you have dollar inflation and price inflation and GDP deflation, a recession. Things cost too much to buy because income remains stable but then eventually decreases overall because more jobs are lost due to recession.

As ‘things’ become higher priced due to inflation, money will go into things like oil, metals, and commodities in general to avoid the loss should these dollars be kept in dollars. So the smart money will go into things early on to take advantage of the inflation of the cost of things and one can preserve the original value of one’s dollars, i.e. gold will go to $1000/oz. Or who knows, with Trillions of dollars looking for a safe home, the sky is the limit.

Once all of this runs its course there will still be recession and prices will drop and depending on how long the recession has been in place, prices could already be very low. Then money in whatever form is acceptable and trusted at this time, dollar bills, gold, silver, Yen, Pounds, Euros will become KING.

Now you see why the savvy investors are looking into currencies and commodities at this time. The only question is to guess which commodity and which currency.
8 posted on 11/09/2003 11:55:03 AM PST by imawit
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To: imawit
Thanks for the ping.

Here's what I don't get about the article: even if one doesn't accept that the current account deficit is driven by the financial account surplus rather than U.S. consumption of foreign goods, that deficit still requires the financial account surplus. In other words, the only reason the U.S. can be a net debtor is that foreigners are willing to purchase U.S. assets. If those assets weren't preferred to foreign assets, the lack of foreign investment would dry up the capital the U.S. needs to buy foreign goods. The dollar would devalue on its own and foreign goods would become less affordable (and U.S. goods would become more affordable to foreigners), decreasing U.S. demand, increasing foreign demand, and reducing the current account deficit.

If that process is not happening, it seems reasonable to assume that at current U.S. interest rates and dollar exchange rates, foreign demand for U.S. assets is sufficient to sustain the current account deficit. If the process did happen, the market would correct itself as necessary.
9 posted on 11/09/2003 1:42:49 PM PST by FreedomFlynnie (Your tagline here, for just pennies a day!)
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If that process is not happening, it seems reasonable to assume that at current U.S. interest rates and dollar exchange rates, foreign demand for U.S. assets is sufficient to sustain the current account deficit. If the process did happen, the market would correct itself as necessary.

But that process [US assets losing preference to Foreign assets] is happening. See The End of Dollar Supremacy?

In the past couple of years there has been a massive fall of foreign direct investment flowing into the United States and in 2002 the flow became negative (see table 1). In 2001 the basic balance turned negative and reached 218 billion US dollar in 2002. This signifies that there is less capital inflow to compensate for the expanding current account deficit.

Table 1

United States. Current account and composition of capital account 2000 - 2002 (a)

 

2000

2001

2002

Current Account

-410

-393

-503

Net long-term capital
hereof:
422 335 285
Direct Investment 129 3 -93
Equities 90 15 35

Bonds

203

317

343

Basic Balance (b)

12

-58

-218

(a) in billions of US dollars
(b) Current account plus net long-term capital
Source: Bank for International Settlements, 73rd Annual Report, Basel 2003, table II.4

It has been mainly due to the buying of bonds by foreign central banks that a dollar crash has been averted so far. The massive buying of U.S. bonds by central banks in 2001 and 2002 has led to an increase in global US dollar reserves which surged by 219.8 billion in 2002 reaching a total of 1,751.4 by the end of that year (see table 2).

Foreign Central Banks are helping out some, but mostly China and Japan are stepping up to support growing US debt with arm twisting from Snow, Greenspan, Evans & Bush.

But Central Bank patience is running out even with this. See Straight Talk from Consumate Central Banker Dr. Otmar Issing:

The ECB's forward-looking policy with the objective of ensuring medium-term price stability together with necessary structural reforms is thus an indispensable condition for raising the potential growth rate of the euro area economies. In that context, one of the main reasons why such a policy is effective in providing a growth-enhancing environment is that it anchors and stabilises people's expectations about future price developments. Therefore it is crucial to carefully guide those expectations, rather than try to manipulate them to obtain short-term benefits, while endangering the longer-run credibility of the overall monetary policy strategy...

In that context, let me briefly address an argument that is sometimes made to justify the demand for a more aggressive expansionary policy in Europe. According to this argument, the United States have contributed to strong global growth in the second half of the 1990s, thereby "saving" the rest of the world, and in particular Europe, from stagnation and recession. This implies, according to the proponents of this argument, that it would now be Europe's turn to do likewise and to provide the needed growth impetus. This argument is not new and was used already extensively in the mid-1980s when the world economy, as I said earlier, found itself in a similar situation as today. But the argument is as wrong and dangerous today as it was then. The United States has not conducted macroeconomic policies with a view towards the world, thereby sacrificing domestic policy objectives in favour of global considerations. Both then and now, for good reasons the focus has been on the United States and the resulting policies happened to provide the rest of the world with some benefits - at least in the short run. This stance was succinctly summarised by Federal Reserve Chairman Greenspan in a 1999 Senate hearing: "We would never put ourselves in a position where we envisaged actions we would take to be of assistance to the rest of the world but to the detriment of the United States." As a consequence, the argument - which is sometimes elevated to the standard of a "moral obligation" - that European policy-makers should forego important domestic policy goals is untenable. This is especially true if such goals were to be sacrificed in favour of short-term stimulus measures, which would not solve any of the underlying real problems, which give rise to the existing imbalances...

Further, as the world economy reflates, even if it is only stimulated and not enduring, the emergin markets and other foreign markest will provide an increasingly attractive investment opportunity for foreign reserves to be re-investment, rarther than the US where they are guaranteed a 1% payment stream and return of an inflated principal.

As the world succeeds in becoming the alternate growth engine instead of the US consumer, the re-investments will flow elsewhere.

10 posted on 11/09/2003 3:41:12 PM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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To: Starwind
As the world succeeds in becoming the alternate growth engine instead of the US consumer, the re-investments will flow elsewhere.

A more succinct prophesy would be impossible to utter!!!

Probably worthy of inscribing over the portal to every financial establishment (in hopes that some will take heed)!!!

11 posted on 11/09/2003 3:48:42 PM PST by ExSES
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12 posted on 11/09/2003 5:56:30 PM PST by sourcery (No unauthorized parking allowed in sourcery's reserved space. Violators will be toad!)
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To: FreedomFlynnie
Dont' understand what you're saying here. Here's what I don't get about the article: even if one doesn't accept that the current account deficit is driven by the financial account surplus rather than U.S. consumption of foreign goods, that deficit still requires the financial account surplus. In other words, the only reason the U.S. can be a net debtor is that foreigners are willing to purchase U.S. assets. The rest if agreed to.

I'll take a stab at what I think you may be asking.

Once again, using Japan as an example, they are net exporters and the US is a net importer. That means that US dollars will be paid for Japanense goods in larger qty than Yen are paid for US goods. These dollars they received or are owed are not turned into Yen because that would increase the qty of Yen in circulation, cause inflation in Japan. The preference is to invest the dollars in one scenario, in US Treasuries. US Treasuries can handle of few hundred billion at a time because the US is running a deficit and issuing new Treasuries to finance government deficit spending. By doing this they accomplish several things.

By not getting dollars they don't inflate the qty of dollars and weaken the dollar which would give the US a trade advantage and turn the tables on trade. This also decreases the yield of the Treasuries which lowers interest rates in the US and provides credit expansion and the further purchasing of Japanese goods. It also keeps the dollar strong and trade in their favor. They also can keep the value of their dollars they received from exporting with the same purchasing power, the dollar is not devalued due to large qtys in circulation. Because they are not converting to Yen, they also keep the purchasing power of the Yen intact in Japan and control the issue of Yen as they desire, not as their trade surplus dictates.

China does the same thing but in addition they also mandate the exchange rate of dollars to their currency and also prohibit the trading of their currency in the market place so that this mandate can be held constant.

13 posted on 11/09/2003 7:39:16 PM PST by imawit
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