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To: JohnHuang2
Well, of course the particular facts of this incident are not really important. I used to think they were, about 40 years ago when I was assigned to write about Engel V Vitale in university. My father smiled patronizingly and I bristled.

Now I know much better. In those days (now almost 2 generations ago) I actually believed there was an objective constitutional reality which one could discern with the application of human reason.

Now, to my sorrow, I know better. As my nice suburban childhood has crumpled into something which my grandmothers would abhor, I know as one who has been to the brink and has looked into hell that we are now in thrall to a secular religion that despises the Christianity of my forbearers. My mother catholic, my father protestant, we never dreamed in the 1950s of the secular forces which were arrayed against us. My parents were building our Levit - towns for us kids after having offered their bodies against the Nazis and the Jap(s)anese.

Does it matter that everything that they believed in is now legally labelled as invidious? Must we accept that there is no more a culture that justifies or condemns bahavior on Christian values?

What is the alternative? Muslim values? What have they brought to the world? Secular values? Check out THE BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM. Nice suburban Jewish values? I am not prepared to accept them.

Where am I to go in my own land?

2 posted on 11/12/2003 3:35:52 AM PST by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: nathanbedford
Nathan,
I agree, it is very discouraging. I have to question what devout Catholics are doing with children in the hostile government school system anyway.

You ask "Where can I go in my own land?" Check out www.freestateproject.org, a group dedicated to liberty in our lifetime. One of the longterm goals of members is to phase out government education and return it to the private sector where it belongs!

Holly
3 posted on 11/12/2003 3:58:20 AM PST by Old_Grouch
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To: nathanbedford
Don't move to Palm Beach County Florida thinking relief may be found. Today, the Palm Beach Co. School District's attorney warned school administrators today they had to keep religious advertisments out of school - say nothing about a creche.

They've been receiving pressure from the ADL complaining that a local school posted banners advertising weekend church services.

In May a Fed Judge upheld a decision by Boca Raton High Schol Principal to have a student paint over portions of a mural she was asked to contribute to. The offensive scene depicted God, Jesus, and the Cross.

Stories like these are repated all over the country and the ADL carries on its hate campaign against Mel Gibson and "The Passion" while the media warns us the Christian Right is taking over America.

Happy Holidays (Holy Days).

16 posted on 11/12/2003 9:02:02 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: nathanbedford
Where am I to go in my own land?

Texas ..... and make a new start.

34 posted on 11/13/2003 12:13:14 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you ought, perform without fail what you resolve.)
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