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To: Carry_Okie
Are you suggesting that we allow the current state of non-education of civics to remain the status quo? Are you part of the NEA or the AFT? That's their contention.

I have contacted the CCE and forwarded the article you referenced. I am sure they will be setting the author straight as he is misinformed. I don't know where he got it from but it is inaccurate. As I said before, I know many who have gone through the program.

Further, the CCE isn't suggesting a mandated curriculum as dictated BY them, they offer a curriculum at no cost to schools that are otherwise too cash strapped to pursue the initiative. Further, they are asking for civic education, which includes study of the Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, The bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers, to be included in the mandatory curriculum requirements.

Mandatng the study of our founding documents isn't ominous, it is responsible. NOT wanted a mandate for civic education is not only irresponsible but it opens the door for revisionist history.

Which do you prefer??
8 posted on 11/12/2003 1:19:40 PM PST by Goblette
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To: Goblette
Are you suggesting that we allow the current state of non-education of civics to remain the status quo? Are you part of the NEA or the AFT? That's their contention.

Fast with the accusations, aren't we? Considering what I wrote and who I cited, you don't read very carefully if you think me a tool of the NEA. DeWeese has advocated abandoning public schools wholesale. If you don't know that you are way behind the curve.

You are proposing to put this CCE curriculum in the hands of the NEA without doing a thing about their power to pervert the program. Just whom should be standing so accused in that respect? Using federal control to fix it will only make it worse.

No, I prefer to deconstruct the public schools from within. They are a corrupt institution that was intended to bring socialism to the United States from the very beginning. I don't prefer to use socialist means to fix it.

As I said before, I know many who have gone through the program.

Explain the quote (which you still haven't addressed). There were similar raves about Horace Mann and John Dewey's schools too. That's how it started. I could accuse you of being a statist shill, playing bait and switch with what appears to be a good programme. As it is, I think you uninformed about the big picture in Federal control of education. Were you advocating shutting down an unconstitutional DoE you would have a rabid fan in me. So here you spout respect for the Constitution using a vehicle that sits in antipathy to that document without even addressing that paradox.

Further, the CCE isn't suggesting a mandated curriculum as dictated BY them, they offer a curriculum at no cost to schools that are otherwise too cash strapped to pursue the initiative.

Using Federal cash to control state schools is a classic statist scheme. You put your "good" program in place and just what do you think a Democratic administration will do with it?

The ends don't justify the means.

Mandatng the study of our founding documents isn't ominous, it is responsible. NOT wanted a mandate for civic education is not only irresponsible but it opens the door for revisionist history.

You have no idea how easily the NEA will twist your good intentions. This top-down kind of thinking has never worked.

9 posted on 11/12/2003 2:23:50 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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