[bondserv]

A corollary is: the conventional model is always wrong.

[bondserv]

Pingaroo!

[elbucko]

Whatever happens next, we have just seen that major paradigm shifts are still possible in science. Kuhnians rejoice. Darwinians beware.

I still don't see what this has to do with Genesis.

[general_re]

A corollary is: the conventional model is always wrong.

Right. The sun revolves around the earth, and the sky is green.

Some guy writes an essay - an essay, not research - proposing a new geological concept, and this is taken to be evidence that evolution is false?

The "logic" is simply breathtaking...

[ClearCase_guy]

BTTT

[BibChr]

Could the New Inquisition Priesthood just save a lot of bandwith if they all group-signed one post that says "Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain"?

Dan

[LiteKeeper]

YEC SPOTREP

[F.J. Mitchell]

Just admitting that God made it all, gives those Science guys an inferority complex, doesn't it?

[Consort]

It looks like Catastrophism is nothing more than a term used to describe selective geological events that are part of an overall Uniformitarianism.

[dirtboy]

You’ve seen it on TV science programs and in textbooks: plumes of hot magma from deep in the Earth’s mantle rise through the crust and erupt on the surface (the IMAX movie Yellowstone has computer graphics of the whole process). Perhaps you’ve seen animations of the Hawaiian Islands riding over a “hot spot” and building its chain of volcanoes over millions of years on its slow, drifting journey. Textbook diagrams show cross-sections of Earth’s crust, with lava erupting from channels rooted deep in the mantle, while crustal plates float and drift atop deep convection currents.

OK, we'll call that A.

That’s all defunct now, and so is a lot of the uniformitarian dogma associated with it, claims Warren B. Hamilton (Colorado School of Mines), in an extensive article in this month’s GSA Today.1 Uniformitarianism is out, catastrophism is in.

And we'll call this B. I'm really curious how the leap was made that if B is true, A is false. There is a clear line of islands and seamounts leading from the Big Island thousands of miles to the WNW - with a jog to the NW that reflects a change in the direction of the Pacific Plate (a jog reflected in other island/seamount chains in the Pacific).

Just because certain geological features now appear to happen more quickly than previously envisioned, it does not therefore mean that ALL theories about all features are therefore changed - hot spot theory holds up just fine with either the uniformitarian model or the catastrophic model.

And a friendly hint - if you are looking for depositional evidence of the Flood, I'd stay away from the Grand Canyon, unless you are prepared to explain the Great Unconformity.

[Elsie]

DANG!!!

 

You got a HUNDRED replies alREADY???!!

 

Ok, I'll wade in...

 

 

The Downfall of Uniformitarianism   11/04/2003
Can major paradigm shifts occur in science today?  Check this one out.
    You’ve seen it on TV science programs and in textbooks: plumes of hot magma from deep in the Earth’s mantle rise through the crust and erupt on the surface (the IMAX movie Yellowstone has computer graphics of the whole process).  Perhaps you’ve seen animations of the Hawaiian Islands riding over a “hot spot” and building its chain of volcanoes over millions of years on its slow, drifting journey.  Textbook diagrams show cross-sections of Earth’s crust, with lava erupting from channels rooted deep in the mantle, while crustal plates float and drift atop deep convection currents.
    That’s all defunct now, and so is a lot of the uniformitarian dogma associated with it, claims Warren B. Hamilton (Colorado School of Mines), in an extensive article in this month’s GSA Today.¹  Uniformitarianism is out, catastrophism is in.  Now, don’t get the idea Hamilton denies the Earth is billions of years old; he still accepts the 4.567 billion year figure, the condensation of Earth from a solar nebula, and all that. 

 

1. Leaving the question of where did the solar nebula come from, just give me a clue as to how HOT each little speck of dust was as it coalesced.

 

2. Archimaeides(sp?) (I think) said that if he had a place to put a fulcrum, he could move the Earth with a lever.  I want to know: A. what FORCE is causing the 'plates to move' and B. what is it pushing against.

 

3. Assuming the Earth WAS a redhole ball of 'stuff' 4.5 BYA, why hasn't it cooled off by now?  As fast as the daily heat goes away if there is no cloud cover at night, it should be solid by now, not filled with red-hot rock just WAITING to blast out!

 

 

[SevenDaysInMay]

This or that dogma don't hunt.

Without an Indiana Jones of geology glamour, life's tough to get a name for one's self. One old geologist told me that the occupational hazzards are sprained ankles, bad water, and paper cuts.

Uniformitarianism is but long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of terror in planetary time frame. Old news is no news.

Economic geologists will eventually be out of work unless new stuff rides up to the surface.

What I like is the certainty of (if seldom) impacts, solar flame throwers with severe radiation changing genetic codes, and axis tilts - with or without wobbles.

"Sudden" axis changes would slosh our oceans across continents exchanging ecology with hypertsunami. I can think of little else on earth so awesome because other maximal catastrophes would obscure with smoke and ash throughout the atmosphere.

A deep water impact would rain hellacious hail or hot rain plus the normal stuff..

I can hardly remember details, but I think that a site in the Inside Passage Alaska/B.C. has a slosh scour discovered about a third of a mile above sea level, some 600 meters. Dangerous but very cool. Likely from just a slide splash.

Image a water column suddenly a kilometer in altitude moving in relation to the surface at hypervelocity. Conversely, imagine the Gulf of Mexico going empty as South or North America gets wet, for the moment. The fish would not know what if anything was happening until slashdown.

We have our tilt somehow. When did it happen?

IMHO, everyone should keep a bottle of their favorite beverage, aged at least a couple of decades, inhouse for those special occasions when, "Oh sh!+!" is not quite enough.

I'm ready for the next ice age, the Post-Kyoto/Bushian era. Imagine tens of millions of blonde Slavs, Finns, and Scandanavians with darkening tans coming to stay! Igloos in South Africa, New Zealand, and Austrailia? We'd need a heapin' bowl of Chili.