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Partnership ends over Scouts exclusion of gays
<i>The Austin American- Statesman</i> ^ | 11/13/03 | Andrea Ball

Posted on 11/13/2003 7:41:48 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper

After a 76-year partnership, the United Way Capital Area and the Boy Scouts are parting ways because the Scouts organization excludes gays.

"Our value is that we raise money from the entire community," said Clarke Heidrick, chairman of the United Way board. "We need to allocate the money to agencies that serve the entire community."

Boy Scouts of America, Capital Area Council, will lose approximately $157,000 a year, a little more than 5 percent of its $2.9 million budget. The group will ask its supporters to make up that loss with additional contributions, said Bruce Walcutt, the organization's president.

"Frankly, the Boy Scouts are a resourceful bunch," he said. "That's what we're taught to be. We'll continue to keep our programs alive."

Under the terms of an agreement unanimously approved Wednesday by the United Way board, the Scouts will remain a partner agency until June 30, 2004 and will receive about $157,000. Then -- although it will no longer be affiliated with the United Way -- the group will receive another $157,000 for 2005 as transition funding, Heidrick said. Then funding will stop.

Both sides say the split is amicable. The Boy Scouts have been a United Way Capital Area partner since 1927.

"The Scouts have conducted themselves very honorably during this process," Heidrick said.

Wednesday's decision comes after more than two years of discussion.

In June 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts have the right to exclude gays.

That decision spurred more than 50 local United Ways to change their relationship with the Scouts.

Some immediately cut ties with the group. Some phased out funding.

Others started working with Learning for Life, a Boy Scout-affiliated organization that allows gays to participate in its programs.

Many have remained firm supporters of the Scouts, which provides educational programs focused on character, citizenship and personal fitness.

United Way of America, the parent organization to the 1,400 affiliates across the country, did not take a position on the issue.

"We're convinced that's a decision that needs to be made on the local level," said Philip Jones, spokesman for the United Way of America.

After the 2000 court ruling, United Way Capital Area -- which raises money for 44 health and human service organizations -- scrutinized requirements for its agencies.

In March 2002, the board adopted an inclusion policy requiring all partner agencies to serve people without regard to issues such as race, color, gender or sexual orientation.

Of the 44 groups, 43 were in compliance with the policy. But the Boy Scouts organization was in violation because it does not accept "avowed homosexuals," according to the Scout's literature.

United Way and Boy Scouts officials met several times, then agreed to a friendly divorce.

Donors -- who can use the United Way to donate to any 501(c)(3) nonprofit registered with the IRS -- will still be able to give to the Scouts through their workplace campaigns.

But the Scouts will not be entitled to money raised through the United Way's community investment fund, which totaled $4.1 million last year.

The Scouts received about $157,000 from that fund in 2002.

"It's a big deal," Walcutt said. "We have a lot of supporters in Central Texas and we're going to ask them to do more."

Randall Ellis, executive director of the Lesbian/Gay Rights Lobby of Texas, called the split a "bold step" for the United Way.

"It will go a long way to fostering tolerance and acceptance in Central Texas," he said.

Others say the United Way's decision smacks of political pressure that will hurt families.

"I think what it says about the United Way is that they are easily intimidated by a very politically active homosexual lobby that pushes a homosexual agenda," said Cathie Adams, president of the Texas Eagle Forum, a Dallas-based conservative group. "It's a travesty."

Heidrick said the United Way did not receive pressure to cut ties with the Boy Scouts.

The group cannot determine whether it has lost donations because of its affiliation with the Scouts, he said.

The Boy Scouts will remain a partner agency of the Georgetown Area United Way and the United Way of Hays County.


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1 posted on 11/13/2003 7:41:49 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper
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To: will1776
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:ncxtSU-3VFcJ:www.uway-austin.org/+United+Way+Capital+Area&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
2 posted on 11/13/2003 7:45:41 AM PST by kcvl
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To: will1776
Simple ..... boycott the United Way... from now on. Tell your boss when he tries to extort money for "corporate" that you'll give to you boss's favorite charity in his/her name.
3 posted on 11/13/2003 7:46:27 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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To: will1776
"We need to allocate the money to agencies that serve the entire community."

Something tells me that they allocate money to agencies NOW that don't serve "the entire community." They also indicate that they received NO pressure to part ways with the BSA. I think they lie on both counts.

4 posted on 11/13/2003 7:46:51 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Dick Vomer
Never give any money to the United Way!!!!
5 posted on 11/13/2003 7:47:04 AM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is .)
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To: will1776
INTREP - UNITED WAY - Shame on them for calling evil good!
6 posted on 11/13/2003 7:47:35 AM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: will1776
A Boy Scout and his father knocked my door the other day.

I wrote them a check, precisely because the United Way is part of the Gaystapo.
7 posted on 11/13/2003 7:49:53 AM PST by Guillermo (Proud Infidel)
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To: will1776
remember to exclude the united way from your holiday payroll contributions in rememberance of how they are a dividing factor in American society rather than united. An example of another once fine organization being hijacked and attempting to hijack and hold hostage another Still Fine Organization, the BSA!
8 posted on 11/13/2003 7:53:06 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Dick Vomer
Or better yet, make a donation directly to the Boy Scouts.
9 posted on 11/13/2003 7:53:55 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: kcvl
Any way we can ship Austin to the left coast where it belongs? I'm embarrased to say it's the capital of Texas. Maybe we can relocate the capital building to Abilene, San Angelo or even Amarillo.
10 posted on 11/13/2003 7:57:00 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: will1776
The Scouts received about $157,000 from that fund in 2002.

I bet the Scouts make up a whole lot more than $157k when this is publicized, and that the UW loses a whole lot more.

11 posted on 11/13/2003 7:58:21 AM PST by TontoKowalski
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To: will1776
Support Scouting

Scouting makes a direct and positive impact on your community by teaching positive values and leadership skills to youth. Join the individuals, corporations, and foundations who support Scouting's mission.

12 posted on 11/13/2003 7:59:48 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Dick Vomer
I quit giving to them years ago, and I'm glad I did. I would rather give my money to someone I know personally, or hear of, that is going thru a tough time, than give it to a corrupt corporation like the United Way.
13 posted on 11/13/2003 8:00:30 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe ("I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers We are the president." -Hilary)
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To: will1776
The only value the United Way exhibits is a propensity to appropriate donates for their own personal use.
14 posted on 11/13/2003 8:01:26 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: OldFriend
Ooops, make that appropriate donations....
15 posted on 11/13/2003 8:02:08 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: ladtx
Austin is the Berkely of Texas. The Commies, who reside there, are out of the Texas mainstream.
16 posted on 11/13/2003 8:04:04 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: will1776
http://www.journalism.indiana.edu/Ethics/ties.html

In short, United Way's leaders had decided to pump millions more dollars into fund-raising expenses after enduring several disappointing carnpaigns. This meant spending more of every contribution on advertising, on courting wealthy donors, and on broadening the base of corporate support. United Way's annual allocation to its own operating costs increased 61 percent in five years. It was a big change for an organization which prided itself on minimal overhead costs.

United Way officials were candid in discussing this shift in strategy. They were less eager to discuss the president's $124,000 salary, free car and paid country club membership. Nor were they eager to discuss the lavish renovation of United Way's headquarters which included a $3,700 sun patio, a $3,000 reception desk, $5,800 for 68 plants and another $135 a month for a firm to water the plants.

17 posted on 11/13/2003 8:04:27 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe ("I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers We are the president." -Hilary)
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To: Lijahsbubbe
The United Way has been a terrible charity for decades. Scandals and operating costs not to mention leftist nonsense.
18 posted on 11/13/2003 8:04:31 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: will1776
I live in Austin and had heard about this. Our company had passed out United way forms again for this year and yes they push for 100% participation. I "reget" to say our store was not at 100% this year.

We have about 18 employees and three (plus possibly 2 more) chose not to support extortion.

When people get an explanation, some actually actually wake up.
19 posted on 11/13/2003 8:04:47 AM PST by Texaspeptoman
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To: will1776
The United Way is a fundraising tool for left-wing groups.
20 posted on 11/13/2003 8:06:00 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool
In all fairness, Tarrytown is the problem. Austin needs to go to single member districts, but those in Tarrytown know that it threatens their stronghold on area politics. Of course, these are the same people mad that Austin is going to be split due to redistricting.
21 posted on 11/13/2003 8:09:47 AM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Progressives- people who seek the right to child sacrifice (to the god of self- convenience).)
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To: will1776; sauropod
I work for an organization that falls under the annual Combined Federal Campaign. We are bombarded with sweet little guilt trips trying to get us to pony up some funds for "charity". The charity is the United Way. Ack!

Here is a sampling of the trash that fills our mailboxes:

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DID YOU KNOW??????????

A gift of $3 per pay period for one year will immunize 50 children against measles.

CFC was started by President Kennedy in 1961 to consolidate all workplace solicitation into one comprehensive campaign.

All charities in the CFC brochure have to apply each year and meet certain criteria to participate in the CFC.

"People have to believe in their capacity to bring about a good result. All effective action is fueled by hope." -- John Gardner

Let's make our community, our country and our world, a better place to live. Please join me and give to your favorite charity during the 2003 CFC.

If you need a Contributor's Guide or a Pledge card, please contact me or your Directorate's keyperson.

**********************************************

Don't give through the Combined Federal Campaign if...........

"This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever; in it's place is something that you left behind.......let it be for something good." -- Unknown

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22 posted on 11/13/2003 8:10:02 AM PST by Lil'freeper (Excuse me while I go hurl.)
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To: Dick Vomer
Never give any money to the United Way!!!!

The last check United Way will ever get from me was written 15 years ago. Sadly, my company was recently bought by an outfit that has an annual United Way fundraiser, so I have to endure all the little gimmicks they do to meet their goal.

They met it this year and gave a little box of chocolates to everyone as a thank-you; I returned my box, unopened, to the department secretary.

23 posted on 11/13/2003 8:10:09 AM PST by Eala (FR Traditional Anglican Directory: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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To: will1776
Under the terms of an agreement unanimously approved Wednesday by the United Way board, the Scouts will remain a partner agency until June 30, 2004 and will receive about $157,000. Then -- although it will no longer be affiliated with the United Way -- the group will receive another $157,000 for 2005 as transition funding, Heidrick said. Then funding will stop.

The organization I work for is one of the largest contributors to the United Way Capital Area. This will be the last year I will donate to their cause. My dollars will go to the Boy Scouts only.

There are several other service organizations I can donate money and clothing to that serve the entire community, other than United Way.

24 posted on 11/13/2003 8:19:54 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are living proof that not all blondes are dumb.)
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To: Lil'freeper
your Directorate's keyperson.

?

Doesn't that sound real commie-like?

25 posted on 11/13/2003 8:20:11 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: HIDEK6
Doesn't that sound real commie-like?

Oh yes. Oh yes it does.

26 posted on 11/13/2003 8:23:35 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: Dick Vomer
Simple ..... boycott the United Way... from now on.

I believe that this is already happening. I live in a suburb of Seattle, and just read in the local paper about a downturn in funding from United Way because they haven't met their revenue goals. Just say no to this corrupt organization.

27 posted on 11/13/2003 8:24:56 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: Dick Vomer
"Simple ..... boycott the United Way... from now on. Tell your boss when he tries to extort money for "corporate" that you'll give to you boss's favorite charity in his/her name."

Bingo. My sentiments exactly.
28 posted on 11/13/2003 8:28:11 AM PST by opus86
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To: will1776
""It will go a long way to fostering tolerance and acceptance in Central Texas," he said."

Tolerance is not enough. Unblinking acceptance is the order of the day.
29 posted on 11/13/2003 8:49:21 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: will1776
Randall Ellis, executive director of the Lesbian/Gay Rights Lobby of Texas, called the split a "bold step" for the United Way.

Perhaps this person needs to hear from Texans.

30 posted on 11/13/2003 8:52:27 AM PST by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: will1776
After a 76-year partnership, the United Way Capital Area and the Boy Scouts are parting ways because the Scouts organization excludes gays.

OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this premise a lie? I understand the Scouts serve anyone. It's Scout leadership that can't be gay.

I must say that if any Scouters are identifying themselves as gay before the age of, say, 16, they really need the Scouts to help set them straight anyway and should be encouraged to join.

Shalom.

31 posted on 11/13/2003 8:53:05 AM PST by ArGee (Would human clones work better than computers? Both would be man-made.)
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To: ladtx
Any way we can ship Austin to the left coast where it belongs?

I suspect that if you moved the Longhorns that Austin would much more accurately reflect the great state of which it is a capitol.

Shalom.

32 posted on 11/13/2003 8:54:52 AM PST by ArGee (Would human clones work better than computers? Both would be man-made.)
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
Lesbian/Gay rights lobby of Texas

phone 512-474-5475
fax 512-474-4511
33 posted on 11/13/2003 8:55:52 AM PST by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: ArGee
I suspect that if you moved the Longhorns that Austin would much more accurately reflect the great state of which it is a capitol.

Agreed.

34 posted on 11/13/2003 8:56:42 AM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: will1776
United Way: Do they give money to Planned Parenthood?
35 posted on 11/13/2003 9:00:46 AM PST by sully777 (No Pepper Allowed.)
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
Just talked to Randall Ellis he said that more child molestations were by hetersextual men not homosexual.

If anyone calls, please have figures to refute this claim
36 posted on 11/13/2003 9:01:52 AM PST by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: will1776
The United Way is heavily feeding on aids funding. It is just a matter of following the dollars. The scouts only bring "legitimacy" to the united way. Homosexual sex behavior brings dollars.

BTW ask if your attorney is a member of the united way. They have a special branch for attorney members. They use it to "network". Don't hire an attorney who is a member of the aclu or the united way.
37 posted on 11/13/2003 9:02:13 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: will1776
Why ANYONE donates to the United Way is beyond me. Kudos to the Boy Scouts!!!
38 posted on 11/13/2003 9:03:42 AM PST by Ann Archy
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
that is a myth from the homosexual lobby. They also define male on male sex as hetersexual sex when it is a criminal act. Percentage wise far more homosexuals are child molesters than straight people.

Analogy: Would you put your child on an airplane if there was a 30% chance that the would not survive?

Homosexuallity is a mental illness. (consider it a fetish like necrophilia)
39 posted on 11/13/2003 9:06:54 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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Every year the United Way appeal comes with my pay check. I have annually taken great pains to let as many people as I can watch me tear it to shreds and throw it in the hopper. I give my money to the local second hand shop. The proceeds go the catholic school my children attended.
40 posted on 11/13/2003 9:21:49 AM PST by Rocket1968 (Democrats will crash and burn in 2004.)
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
The Catholic Priest scandal is proof that it is better to be safe than sorry in regards to the safety of children.
41 posted on 11/13/2003 9:31:47 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: will1776
What are they going to do when people stop donating?
42 posted on 11/13/2003 9:36:10 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Rocket1968; All
http://www.scouting.org

or donate to your local troop.

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43 posted on 11/13/2003 9:48:33 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
Homosexual agenda Index of Links

TUL, Check out the link. Scroll to the "child abuse" section and pick an article. The predisposition of those who practice homosexual behavior to also molest children is proven fact

44 posted on 11/13/2003 9:49:03 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Dick Vomer
Agreed. The United Way is way out of line on this one. How many young boys have to be molested before they wake up and see the error of this requirement? Have they learned nothing from what the Catholic Church has gone through the last couple of years? To hell with them - donate directly to your local Scouting chapter.
45 posted on 11/13/2003 9:53:57 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: will1776
United Way = Extortion
46 posted on 11/13/2003 10:01:20 AM PST by Barnacle (Navigating the treacherous waters of a liberal culture)
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To: sully777
Yes they do. My primary reason for never supporting United Way.
47 posted on 11/13/2003 10:39:44 AM PST by agrace
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To: will1776
"It will go a long way to fostering tolerance and acceptance in Central Texas," he said.

On the contrary, it shows the intolerance of the homosexual community in our notably socialist capitol for anyone who does not "celebrate" their lifestyle.

Dump the United Way. Give to the Scouts directly.

48 posted on 11/13/2003 10:43:35 AM PST by jimt
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To: will1776; All
In March 2002, the board adopted an inclusion policy requiring all partner agencies to serve people without regard to issues such as race, color, gender or sexual orientation.

A United Way Capital Area partner agency http://www.uway-austin.org/communityinvestmentfund/partneragencies/junior_league_of_austin.htm :

THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF AUSTIN: HISPANIC MOTHER/DAUGHTER PROGRAM

The Junior League of Austin: Hispanic Mother/Daughter Program offers support services and resources to its student participants, preparing them for college with the assistance of their mothers.

client eligibility: Hispanic girls at targeted schools (eight middle schools and five high schools in Austin ISD)

49 posted on 11/13/2003 11:00:23 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: The UnVeiled Lady; scripter
Just talked to Randall Ellis he said that more child molestations were by hetersextual men not homosexual.

Considering that homosexuals make up 1-2% of the population, I would expect this would be true.

The question is, what percentage of homosexual men molest children (under 18) compared to the percentage of heterosexual men who molest children.

For the answer, I turn you over to the expert on homosexual statistics.

Scripter?

Shalom.

50 posted on 11/13/2003 11:44:33 AM PST by ArGee (Would human clones work better than computers? Both would be man-made.)
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