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2 GOP senators consider lawsuit to break filibuster
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 11/14/2003 | Self

Posted on 11/14/2003 10:00:14 PM PST by WillRain

Two Senate Republicans are considering filing a lawsuit aimed at putting an end to delaying tactics by Democrats trying to block President Bush's nominations to the federal bench.

Freshman Sens. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said Wednesday they have their staffs as well as outside experts looking at whether such a suit -- filed, in essence, against the Senate itself -- would be feasible.

Their announcement comes in the midst of the debate over nominees Miguel Estrada, a Washington lawyer, and Priscilla Owen, a Texas Supreme Court justice. Democrats charge both are too conservative for the federal bench. The Estrada debate alone has dragged on for three months.

There are enough votes -- including that of Georgia's Democratic senator, Zell Miller -- to approve the nominations of Estrada and Owen. But Republicans in the 100-member Senate have not been able to marshal the 60 votes required to end debate on the nominations so they can be brought to a vote. The continued debate to block a vote is known as a filibuster.

Republicans have repeatedly protested that the filibuster, in effect, creates an unfair requirement that any nomination by the president be approved by a 60-vote margin.

"What we're seeing with respect to the judicial nominees is for the first time in the history of America, we're having a filibuster on our judicial nominees," Chambliss said Wednesday. "That's just wrong. That's not the way the Senate is supposed to operate."

The announcement by Chambliss and Graham comes just shy of two years after Bush made his judicial nominations.

"On this, the two-year anniversary of the presidential nominations, I think it's appropriate that we start ratcheting up the pressure," Chambliss said.

The lawsuit would challenge the constitutionality of the filibuster, Chambliss said. Details such as which court would hear the lawsuit would be decided by those reviewing whether it is possible, Chambliss said.

"We're not to the point of where we're going to discuss the details of what we might or might not do," Chambliss said. "Hopefully, this logjam will be resolved without us having to do that."

All through the debate, Senate Democrats have pointed out that they have helped approve the nominations of more than 90 percent of the Bush nominees. Some have suggested that if Estrada and Owen were liberals, Republicans would not have a problem with filibuster tactics. In fact, Lindsey Graham's predecessor, Republican Strom Thurmond -- then a Democrat -- set the filibuster record in 1957, speaking continuously for 24 hours and 18 minutes in a futile effort to block passage of a civil rights bill.

"It's somewhat hard to take them seriously," Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, said Wednesday of his Republican colleagues. "They stopped something like 70 of President Clinton's nominees -- 70. We've stopped two of President Bush's. The thing I'm always impressed with is they can actually make the claims with a straight face."

In addition to Chambliss and Graham's lawsuit rumblings, there were two other prominent proposals to break the filibuster in recent weeks. Miller introduced a resolution that would limit how long debate over an issue could take place. And New York Democrat Charles Schumer proposed that the president appoint state boards, composed equally of Democrats and Republicans, to vote on the nominations.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) said Wednesday that he will likely unveil a proposal that blends the Miller and Schumer plans.

When asked about the potential lawsuit, Frist said, "That is one [avenue] that I personally will not be pursuing. I will likely pursue trying to break the filibuster through persuasion and using the rules of the Senate . . . if need be."

The problem with modifying Senate rules to control filibusters is that filibusters are not exactly part of the Senate rules, said Betty Koed, assistant U.S. Senate historian.

"There's no real clear definition of what a filibuster is," she said. "It's more a Senate tradition than a rule."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appointees; fillibuster; graham; judicialnominations; lawsuit; senate
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To: Consort
BMP for more to read.....
41 posted on 11/15/2003 5:58:52 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: P-Marlowe
This is really a double edged sword. If the SCOTUS agrees with my interpretation, then a lame duck president could conceivably stack the courts by requesting that all the old dying judges that agree with his philosophy resign and allow the lame duck president to stack the courts with young ideolouges.

I'm not sure they would rule as you hypothesize, that all nominees must be addressed within that term. Even so, the Constitution permits the appointment of lower Officers without advice and consent, so the risk you describe is already Constitutionally present.

I agree with your point that the case would have merit. As a political matter, I think this is better settled without involving SCOTUS.

42 posted on 11/15/2003 6:00:04 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: WillRain
Let's see..... The purpose of filing Cloture is to end the debate. Yes? No? And the Democrats are filibustering by voting against invoking Cloture, thus prolonging the debate. Yes? No? And they are complaining because the debate is ongoing and won't end. Yes? No?
43 posted on 11/15/2003 6:06:10 AM PST by Consort
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To: Keith in Iowa
bttt
44 posted on 11/15/2003 6:20:28 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: RatSlayer
"Your correct. It's all part of the "new tone" (barf). IMO he's being so non-confrontational that he won't even do what you suggest."

The problem with taking the 'high road' is that the rats shoot you from the gutter!
45 posted on 11/15/2003 6:43:03 AM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
He said:

"We are not oblidged to confirm every neanderthal Bush nominates" or words to that effect. He did not specify but the only logical inference is that he was speaking of the judges they were blocking.

It has not - YET - appeared on any news show (AFAIK) but my point is that right now the lib-media are trying there best to keep it out of the public eye and if it went to the SCOTUS it would be harder to bury thus putting the Dims in the position of embarrising themselves.
46 posted on 11/15/2003 8:49:48 AM PST by WillRain
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To: KellyAdmirer
Just musing...

The cloture rule didn't come into effect until 1917, I believe..... Thus the Senate in effect was operating under the premise until that time it took 100% of the Senators present and voting to bring debate to an end... Or is that a wrong premise on my part?

Thus in 1917 the cloture rule attempted to establish a number less than 100% [2/3rds] to allow for a vote... It was further amended to bring the number down to 3/5ths of the Senators...

It appears to me that a rule would have to be adopted to reduce either that number to a majority on judicial nominees or that some preset time limit made applicable to the debate on all judicial nominees.... Otherwise if the cloture item is eliminated then we are back to the original setup before 1917 if you assume that unlimited debate is the basis to which the Senate operates.


47 posted on 11/15/2003 9:10:00 AM PST by deport (Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life)
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To: Cboldt
Keith in Iowa is absolutely right in that it is a political question textually committed to another branch; ergo, the S.Ct. will likely go nowhere near this case, even if it WAS brought by a party with standing...which brings us to our next, and more major hurdle:

Senators have no standing to bring this suit. If it is to be brought by anyone, it would need to be brought by the judge who was denied his seat. And even then, there is still a question as to whether he has standing, since it's not clear that he has a "right" to the spot on the bench.

Lawsuits go nowhere, fellas.
48 posted on 11/15/2003 9:17:24 AM PST by Viva Le Dissention
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To: Viva Le Dissention
Would not the President also have standing as it is he that is being denied the up down vote on a nominee he has submitted?
49 posted on 11/15/2003 9:27:00 AM PST by deport (Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life)
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To: Viva Le Dissention
I resepctfully disagree with both you and Kieth in Iowa, that this is purely a political question.

Also, IMO, the person with the best standing is the President. The President has the power to nominate and appoint.

Finally, you'll note my statements that I don't know if the SCOTUS will take it (but there are arguments on both sides), and tht I think it best if this matter is settled without judicial involvment.

50 posted on 11/15/2003 12:01:45 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Viva Le Dissention
Question from a legal idiot. The Senate [supposedly] works for us, the people. Do We, the People of the United States, have any legal recourse in the courts to end this issue? In other words can we sue for lack of action?

Hell, if a woman can sue Coke for being "addicted" to Diet Coke, it seems logical (whoops, there I go again) that a case can be made on the issue of the Dems holding up a vote on an such an important issue.

51 posted on 11/15/2003 12:15:14 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: RatSlayer
There are two parties at fault here. President Bush is one for not using recess appointments like Clintoon did, and the republican powers at be in the US Senate for not pushing to get these appointments through when we all know damn well the democrats would stop at nothing to get their appts through.
52 posted on 11/15/2003 12:21:49 PM PST by pctech
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To: gaspar
Yeah, I think he was one of them. Wasn't there also a gay ambassador that the Pubbies wouldn't confirm?
53 posted on 11/15/2003 5:30:02 PM PST by RatSlayer
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To: RatSlayer
That was Hormel of San Francisco. I believe Clinton gave him a recess appointment as ambassador to Luxembourg??
54 posted on 11/15/2003 7:02:55 PM PST by gaspar
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To: gaspar
Yeah, Hormel is the one I was thinking of. Good memory gaspar!
55 posted on 11/16/2003 12:19:37 AM PST by RatSlayer
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