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Mark Steyn: It's 'peace' psychosis in a nut's hell
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 11/18/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/17/2003 4:32:21 PM PST by Pokey78

If you're so inclined, you can spend the week listening to long speeches by George Galloway and Harold Pinter. Or you can cut to the chase and get the message from Maulana Inyadullah. In late September 2001 Mr Inyadullah was holed up in Peshawar awaiting the call to arms against the Great Satan and offered this pithy soundbite to the Telegraph's David Blair:

"The Americans love Pepsi-Cola, we love death."

That's it in a nutshell - or in a nut's hell. And, like Mr Inyadullah, if it's Pepsi or death, the fellows on the streets of London this week choose death - at least for the Iraqis. If it's a choice between letting some carbonated-beverage crony of Dick Cheney get a piece of the Nasariyah soft-drinks market or allowing Saddam to go on feeding his subjects feet-first into the industrial shredder for another decade or three, then the "peace" activists will take the lesser of two evils - ie, crank up the shredder. Better yet, end UN sanctions so Saddam can replace the older, less reliable shredders, the ones with too many bits of bone tissue jammed in the cogs.

Well, Saddam's gone, on the run with no Grecian 2000 and all out of Quality Street. But it's a measure of the intensity of this psychosis that the "Stop The War" crowd may well manage to turn out more people this week than they did during the war. The war stopped six months ago, some 80 per cent of Iraq is peaceful and well governed, and the overwhelming majority of Iraqis I spoke to when I was there want the Americans to stay, rather than cut and run like the UN, Oxfam and co. But screw the Iraqi people; the "peace" crowd know better than the ignorant natives what's good for them.

So this week they'll be splashing red paint hither and yon to symbolise all the Iraqi blood spilled by Bush. In yesterday's Independent , Dr David Lowry noted that Medact, a respected NGO of British medical chappies, has decided that, since the start of the Iraq war in March, between 7,800 and 9,600 civilians have died. This is presumably the same Medact that a year ago predicted that in the Iraq war and the three months following 260,000 would die, with a further 200,000 succumbing to disease and famine, and another 20,000 getting killed in the ensuing civil war.

Given that they've now revised their figures downwards by 98 per cent, it would be nice to think the protesters might reduce their budget for gallons of Dulux Mesopotamian Burgundy Gloss by a commensurate amount. The rest of us should pelt Medact with rotten tomatoes symbolising all the blood that wasn't spilt. Alternatively, they could symbolise Harold Pinter's graphically leaking rectum. In this paper before the war, Mr Pinter assured us that millions of Iraqi children's rectums were chronically leaking blood - something to do with depleted uranium from the Yanks. In every medical facility I visited in western and northern Iraq, I inquired about this phenomenon and found no one who knew of a single sufferer.

If the anti-war cause is so just, it seems odd that it has to be so risibly "sexed up" by Medact and the rest, but the post-9/11 grand harmonic convergence of all the world's loser ideologies, from Islamic fundamentalism to French condescension, is untroubled by anything so humdrum as reality or logic. There's "no connection" between Saddam and al-Qa'eda, because radical Islamists would never make common cause with secular Ba'athists. Or so we're told by pro-gay, pro-feminist Eurolefties who thus make common cause with honour-killing, sodomite-beheading Islamists, apparently crediting Saddam with a greater degree of intellectual coherence than they credit themselves.

The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist. And even its imperialism is too vulgar and arriviste to appeal to real imperialists: let's face it, the ghastly Yanks never stick it to the fuzzy-wuzzy with the dash and élan of the Bengal Lancers, which appears to be the principal complaint of Sir Max Hastings and his ilk. To the mullahs, America is the Great Satan, a wily seducer; to the Gaullists, America is the Great Cretin, a culture so self-evidently moronic that only stump-toothed inbred Appalachian lardbutts could possibly fall for it. American popular culture is utterly worthless, except when one of its proponents - Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon - attacks Bush, in which case he or she is showered with European awards and sees the foreign-language rights for his latest tract sell for six figures at Frankfurt. The fact that the best-selling anti-Americans are themselves American - Moore, Chomsky - is perhaps the cruellest manifestation of the suffocating grip of the hyperpower.

Too Christian, too Godless, too isolationist, too imperialist, too seductive, too cretinous, America is George Orwell's Room 101: whatever your bugbear, you will find it therein - for the Continentals, excessive religiosity; for the Muslims, excessive decadence; for Harold Pinter, excessively bleeding rectums.

So be it. This is a psychosis so impervious to reason that on Thursday those in the most advanced stage will pour into the streets to re-enact the toppling of Saddam's statue with Bush on the podium. The 40 per cent of Britons who merely think the President "stupid" will cheer from their sofas.

Two years ago, NBC held a discussion on the growing alienation of the Muslim world: the al-Munaif family who, after the Kuwaiti liberation, had "slaughtered sheep in tribute to one President Bush", were now disenchanted and had named their newborn son "Osama". While the Arabists on the NBC panel chewed over the problem thoughtfully, on this page I was more insouciant: there's no point trying to figure out which way a guy who sacrifices sheep will jump. That's the way I feel about this week's polls and protests. The Min of Ag has already sacrificed all the sheep, but, that detail aside, much of Britain is now about as rational on America as the al-Munaif family. My advice to Bush is: make sure you know where the exit is and try to avoid eye contact.


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1 posted on 11/17/2003 4:32:22 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

2 posted on 11/17/2003 4:33:14 PM PST by Pokey78 ("I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation." Wesley Clark to Russert)
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To: Pokey78
I love this guy. He is so right on.
3 posted on 11/17/2003 4:36:34 PM PST by Mercat
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To: Pokey78
OoowwWWWWWWwwwww!! Dang, that's some biting verbage there...

Luv it.
4 posted on 11/17/2003 4:36:38 PM PST by dandelion
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To: Pokey78
There's "no connection" between Saddam and al-Qa'eda, because radical Islamists would never make common cause with secular Ba'athists. Or so we're told by pro-gay, pro-feminist Eurolefties who thus make common cause with honour-killing, sodomite-beheading Islamists, apparently crediting Saddam with a greater degree of intellectual coherence than they credit themselves.
5 posted on 11/17/2003 4:38:03 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: AnnaZ
Ping!
6 posted on 11/17/2003 4:39:27 PM PST by diotima ("I find it simply baffling that a Senator would vote against even voting on a judicial nomination.")
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To: Pokey78
bump!

What a great Editorial.
7 posted on 11/17/2003 4:43:37 PM PST by Smogger
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To: Pokey78
there's no point trying to figure out which way a guy who sacrifices sheep will jump.

There's a world of astute perception packed in this little nugget.

8 posted on 11/17/2003 4:49:12 PM PST by Gritty
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To: Pokey78
BUMP!
9 posted on 11/17/2003 4:50:39 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: Pokey78
, much of Britain is now about as rational on America as the al-Munaif family. My advice to Bush is: make sure you know where the exit is and try to avoid eye contact.

That bothers me. Steyn is a very astute man-in-the-street-type observer and he apparently thinks Bush is in for a hard visit in Britain.

10 posted on 11/17/2003 4:53:56 PM PST by xJones
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To: Pokey78
The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist. And even its imperialism is too vulgar and arriviste to appeal to real imperialists:

Steyn hit the nail on the head with this observation!

11 posted on 11/17/2003 4:59:56 PM PST by mylife
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To: cateizgr8
ping!!!!!!!!!!
12 posted on 11/17/2003 5:05:44 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: metesky; Leisler
If the anti-war cause is so just, it seems odd that it has to be so risibly "sexed up" by Medact and the rest, but the post-9/11 grand harmonic convergence of all the world's loser ideologies, from Islamic fundamentalism to French condescension, is untroubled by anything so humdrum as reality or logic.

Ping.

13 posted on 11/17/2003 5:10:49 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Pokey78
Alternatively, they could symbolise Harold Pinter's graphically leaking rectum

ROTFLMAO!!!!
14 posted on 11/17/2003 5:14:48 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78
If the anti-war cause is so just, it seems odd that it has to be so risibly "sexed up" by Medact and the rest, but the post-9/11 grand harmonic convergence of all the world's loser ideologies, from Islamic fundamentalism to French condescension, is untroubled by anything so humdrum as reality or logic. There's "no connection" between Saddam and al-Qa'eda, because radical Islamists would never make common cause with secular Ba'athists. Or so we're told by pro-gay, pro-feminist Eurolefties who thus make common cause with honour-killing, sodomite-beheading Islamists, apparently crediting Saddam with a greater degree of intellectual coherence than they credit themselves.

The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist. And even its imperialism is too vulgar and arriviste to appeal to real imperialists: let's face it, the ghastly Yanks never stick it to the fuzzy-wuzzy with the dash and élan of the Bengal Lancers, which appears to be the principal complaint of Sir Max Hastings and his ilk. To the mullahs, America is the Great Satan, a wily seducer; to the Gaullists, America is the Great Cretin, a culture so self-evidently moronic that only stump-toothed inbred Appalachian lardbutts could possibly fall for it. American popular culture is utterly worthless, except when one of its proponents - Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon - attacks Bush, in which case he or she is showered with European awards and sees the foreign-language rights for his latest tract sell for six figures at Frankfurt. The fact that the best-selling anti-Americans are themselves American - Moore, Chomsky - is perhaps the cruellest manifestation of the suffocating grip of the hyperpower.

Too Christian, too Godless, too isolationist, too imperialist, too seductive, too cretinous, America is George Orwell's Room 101: whatever your bugbear, you will find it therein - for the Continentals, excessive religiosity; for the Muslims, excessive decadence; for Harold Pinter, excessively bleeding rectums.

So be it. This is a psychosis so impervious to reason that on Thursday those in the most advanced stage will pour into the streets to re-enact the toppling of Saddam's statue with Bush on the podium. The 40 per cent of Britons who merely think the President "stupid" will cheer from their sofas.

Two years ago, NBC held a discussion on the growing alienation of the Muslim world: the al-Munaif family who, after the Kuwaiti liberation, had "slaughtered sheep in tribute to one President Bush", were now disenchanted and had named their newborn son "Osama". While the Arabists on the NBC panel chewed over the problem thoughtfully, on this page I was more insouciant: there's no point trying to figure out which way a guy who sacrifices sheep will jump. That's the way I feel about this week's polls and protests. The Min of Ag has already sacrificed all the sheep, but, that detail aside, much of Britain is now about as rational on America as the al-Munaif family. My advice to Bush is: make sure you know where the exit is and try to avoid eye contact.


I think this is the best Steyn I have ever read - and that's saying something.
15 posted on 11/17/2003 5:20:17 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78
Well, Saddam's gone, on the run with no Grecian 2000 and all out of Quality Street. But it's a measure of the intensity of this psychosis that the "Stop The War" crowd may well manage to turn out more people this week than they did during the war. The war stopped six months ago, some 80 per cent of Iraq is peaceful and well governed, and the overwhelming majority of Iraqis I spoke to when I was there want the Americans to stay, rather than cut and run like the UN, Oxfam and co. But screw the Iraqi people; the "peace" crowd know better than the ignorant natives what's good for them.

Well, not exactly 'Peace' activists, but ...

This is how Pelosi's San Francisco constituents "Support" the troops (March 2003) ...

Here is a link to the SF-IMC site where these FAR LEFT LIBERALS posted an actual pic (above) of one of their Support Saddam/Terrorists events in March, 2003 and changed the image when I posted/linked it to an FR thread. The pic at the top of that link of 2 Allied Soldiers transporting a prisoner to Gitmo was what they changed it to . . .

These folks at San Francisco Indy-Media are terrorist supporters . . .

Oh, the lurkers on FR from SF-IMC CANNOT change that picture (above) now since it is hosted by FR friendly sources !


16 posted on 11/17/2003 5:21:33 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (I won! I won! http://rmeek141.home.comcast.net/LotteryTicketRutRoh.JPG)
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To: Pokey78
...for Harold Pinter, excessively bleeding rectums.

Paging Ms. Morford...Paging Ms. Morford...Oh, uh...sorry, Ms. Morford, didn't know you were in the Ms.Room...

FMCDH

17 posted on 11/17/2003 5:23:10 PM PST by nothingnew (The pendulum is swinging and the Rats are in the pit!)
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To: Pokey78; Temple Owl
The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist. And even its imperialism is too vulgar and arriviste to appeal to real imperialists: let's face it, the ghastly Yanks never stick it to the fuzzy-wuzzy with the dash and élan of the Bengal Lancers, which appears to be the principal complaint of Sir Max Hastings and his ilk. To the mullahs, America is the Great Satan, a wily seducer; to the Gaullists, America is the Great Cretin, a culture so self-evidently moronic that only stump-toothed inbred Appalachian lardbutts could possibly fall for it. American popular culture is utterly worthless, except when one of its proponents - Michael Moore, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon - attacks Bush, in which case he or she is showered with European awards and sees the foreign-language rights for his latest tract sell for six figures at Frankfurt. The fact that the best-selling anti-Americans are themselves American - Moore, Chomsky - is perhaps the cruellest manifestation of the suffocating grip of the hyperpower.


18 posted on 11/17/2003 5:24:41 PM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: ozaukeemom
steyn ping
19 posted on 11/17/2003 5:27:40 PM PST by mylife
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To: Pokey78
Wow, this one essay demolishes every often-heard anti-War myth wonderfully. And it does it with a sledgehammer. Steyn rocks.
20 posted on 11/17/2003 5:30:32 PM PST by RobFromGa (The Bush Recovery Is In Full Swing....)
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To: Pokey78
Well, Saddam's gone, on the run with no Grecian 2000 and all out of Quality Street. But it's a measure of the intensity of this psychosis that the "Stop The War" crowd may well manage to turn out more people this week than they did during the war. The war stopped six months ago, some 80 per cent of Iraq is peaceful and well governed, and the overwhelming majority of Iraqis I spoke to when I was there want the Americans to stay, rather than cut and run like the UN, Oxfam and co. But screw the Iraqi people; the "peace" crowd know better than the ignorant natives what's good for them.

Don't hold back Mark. Let us know how you really feel!

21 posted on 11/17/2003 5:41:44 PM PST by PogySailor
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To: Pokey78
This is a psychosis so impervious to reason that on Thursday those in the most advanced stage will pour into the streets to re-enact the toppling of Saddam's statue with Bush on the podium.

The real irony here is that these cretins think they are the smart ones.

22 posted on 11/17/2003 5:42:19 PM PST by Bullish
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To: Rummyfan
best Steyn

I think you're right-- it's not just funny, but funny because it hits so many left-bent nails right on the head.

This piece could still be studied by devotees of political satire a 100 years from now, an instant classic.

Pinter's dripping rectums... ROFLMAO!!!

23 posted on 11/17/2003 5:59:51 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: Bullish
The real irony here is that these cretins think they are the smart ones.

The cretins always do.

24 posted on 11/17/2003 6:04:51 PM PST by irv
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To: Pokey78
Best line--->

There's "no connection" between Saddam and al-Qa'eda, because radical Islamists would never make common cause with secular Ba'athists. Or so we're told by pro-gay, pro-feminist Eurolefties who thus make common cause with honour-killing, sodomite-beheading Islamists, apparently crediting Saddam with a greater degree of intellectual coherence than they credit themselves.

25 posted on 11/17/2003 6:18:36 PM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: dennisw
I agree. That line is absolutely priceless. If I could fit it all in my tagline, that would be it.

Qwinn
26 posted on 11/17/2003 6:38:16 PM PST by Qwinn
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To: Pokey78
Steyn is the best. And it ain't even close.
27 posted on 11/17/2003 7:14:56 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Beware of the fury of the patient man." - John Dryden)
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To: Pokey78
Awesome essay! My favorite:

whatever your bugbear, you will find it therein - for the Continentals, excessive religiosity; for the Muslims, excessive decadence; for Harold Pinter, excessively bleeding rectums.

28 posted on 11/17/2003 7:23:31 PM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Pokey78
Reading Steyn on FR...one of the great joys in life.
29 posted on 11/17/2003 8:05:20 PM PST by xp38
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To: Buckhead
I hope that you have found another church to attend, or that he has been replaced, by a more main stream conservative pastor.
31 posted on 11/17/2003 9:25:59 PM PST by Hillarys nightmare
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To: Pokey78
Mark Steyn Bump!!!

Thanks, Pokey78.
32 posted on 11/17/2003 9:36:40 PM PST by auboy (I'm out here on the front lines, sleep in peace tonight–American Soldier–Toby Keith, Chuck Cannon)
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the ping, Pokey :-)
33 posted on 11/17/2003 9:40:11 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ...

Mark Steyn MEGA PING!!


34 posted on 11/17/2003 9:40:44 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Thank you so much for the ping!
35 posted on 11/17/2003 9:52:17 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Buckhead
...the hatred of the US shown that day was the result of our "long history of isolationism and imperialism."

isolationism: a policy of national isolation by abstention from alliances and other international political and economic relations

imperialism: the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas

Perhaps you should find a pastor who actually understands the meaning of his writings.

36 posted on 11/17/2003 9:59:34 PM PST by Mackey
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To: JohnHuang2
Priceless Steyn!
37 posted on 11/17/2003 10:04:39 PM PST by MEG33
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To: Alamo-Girl
Welcome :-)
38 posted on 11/17/2003 10:20:55 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: MEG33
Steyn RULES ;-)
39 posted on 11/17/2003 10:21:22 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Bump
40 posted on 11/17/2003 10:23:46 PM PST by JohnHuang2 (< -- As Neanderthal as they come)
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To: Pokey78
I feel sorry for the liberal who signs up for an argument and ends up in the wrong room with Mark Steyn!
41 posted on 11/17/2003 10:25:12 PM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: thoughtomator
What a wonderful thought!
42 posted on 11/17/2003 10:52:41 PM PST by MEG33
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To: Pokey78
Steyn BUMP!
43 posted on 11/17/2003 11:15:05 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Rummyfan
I think this is the best Steyn I have ever read - and that's saying something.

You have picked the exact passage I was going to, and given the same comment. Steyn does NOT get any better than this.

But then again, I've said that before.... ;o)

44 posted on 11/17/2003 11:20:05 PM PST by lorrainer (Don’t make me come over there….)
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To: Pokey78
One of Steyn's very best!

He basically lays it out for all to see why being liberal these days is either a mental deficiency/illness or downright evil in intent.

It would be great if the British could somehow show in a glaringly obvious way how much they appreciate Pres. Bush. According to a few polls, +60% of them do -- but the liberal media elites would never let the facts get in the way of their opinions.

45 posted on 11/17/2003 11:59:39 PM PST by FranklinsTower
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To: Pokey78; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2
<< Too Christian, too Godless, too isolationist, too imperialist, too seductive, too cretinous, America is George Orwell's Room 101: whatever your bugbear, you will find it therein - for the Continentals, excessive religiosity; for the Muslims, excessive decadence; for Harold Pinter, excessively bleeding rectums.

So be it. This is a psychosis so [Hesperophobically-hatred-driven and] impervious to reason that on Thursday those in the most advanced stage will pour into the streets to re-enact the toppling of Saddam's statue with Bush on the podium -- [And the other] 40 per cent of Britons who merely think the President "stupid" will cheer from their sofas. >>

Screw every last one of the ingrate bastards! And every horse every one of them rode in on!

[Thanks for the Ping, Pokes]
46 posted on 11/18/2003 2:46:22 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
This is a lot like something I told a girl in Stockholm, Sweden. She was talking about how Americans scare her because we are always waving flags and implying that we were like Nazis. I told her that I was tired of Europeans telling me we were too nationalist, then that we down our own culture, that we were too imperialist, but then we don't get involved in the world, that we were too religious, and that we were too decadent, etc. I finished my "America is too..." conversation with Anti-Americanism is the religion of our time.


Of course Stein articulates it all the better.
47 posted on 11/18/2003 2:55:43 AM PST by DeuceTraveler ((wedgie free for all))
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To: Pokey78; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
This is good.
48 posted on 11/18/2003 3:15:12 AM PST by SeeRushToldU_So (Libs want to take my money, my guns, and my land....then sodimize me.)
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To: Rummyfan
This is certainly a high among Steyn highlights for me as well. So many great quotes, I don't know where to start. He's really outdone himself with this one.

I continue to wish I were able to write 1/10th as well.
49 posted on 11/18/2003 4:09:58 AM PST by FreedomPoster (this space intentionally blank)
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To: DeuceTraveler; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing
<< This is a lot like something I told a girl in Stockholm, Sweden. She was talking about how Americans scare her because we are always waving flags and implying that we were like Nazis. I told her that I was tired of Europeans telling me we were too nationalist, then that we down our own culture, that we were too imperialist, but then we don't get involved in the world, that we were too religious, and that we were too decadent, etc. I finished my "America is too..." conversation with Anti-Americanism is the religion of our time.


Of course Stein articulates it all the better. >>

Stein makes me proud in that I am also what on of his [Cheese-eating surrender monkey] countrymen once called "a limey-bred bastard!" I'm an American who was born in New Zealand and who, like most converts, Steyn included, is more American than most Americans.

I travel insanely [More than an equivilent 650 global circumnavigations, over 180,000 nautical miles so far this year and at least two trips planned befor the end of December] but discreetly and anonymously and, because I sound like a New Zealander, get to hear the world's opinion of our nation raw and unfiltered.

And the world, sad, for its sake, to say, pathologically hates us.

Anti-American hatred is such that my anger grows by the day -- as my tolerance erodes. I am really fed to the teeth with dead and decadent hesperophobic ingrates like those Mark Steyn writes about here and your aquaintance in Sweden, not one of whom would be free without America's willing sacrifices of blood and treasure, laying their delusionally-fantasized fevered froth and foam-flecked self-loathing and every other of the world's other self-made ills in our most generous of nation's lap.

I've given up. It's down to we make the world safe for US -- or be liked.

Thank God we have an administration comprised of adults with courage enough and integrity and the moral certitude to understand that our nation's survival -- and Human Civilization's -- is not a popularity contest!

Bump/Ping
50 posted on 11/18/2003 5:11:44 AM PST by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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