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Statement by the President on Marriage (MUST READ -- Dean/Kerry/Clark Statements Follow)
The White House ^ | Nov 18, 2003 | President Bush

Posted on 11/18/2003 3:02:45 PM PST by PhiKapMom

Statement by the President On Marriage

November 18, 2003

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

Marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman. Today's decision of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court violates this important principle. I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.


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To: shrinkermd
Socrates was born in 469 B.C.; Plato was born in 427 B.C.

While there may be passages in Plato which imply acceptance of pederasty, in his last work, The Laws, he speaks as if he considers homosexuality to be contrary to nature. For example:

However, God willing, perhaps we'll succeed in imposing one or other of two standards of sexual conduct. (1) Ideally, no one will dare to have relations with any respectable citizen woman except his own wedded wife, or sow illegitimate and bastard seed in courtesans, or sterile seed in males in defiance of nature. (2) Alternatively, while suppressing sodomy entirely, we might insist that if a man does have intercourse with any woman (hired or procured in some other way) except the wife he wed in holy marriage with the blessing of the gods, he must do so without any other man or woman getting to know about it. (Translated by Trevor J. Saunders)

181 posted on 11/18/2003 6:20:37 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: AuH2ORepublican
There is something conservatives need to remember. Judges are only nominated by Presidents and Governors. It's the Senators (U.S. or state) who actually confirm them. If people want more conservatives on the bench, we need to get more conservatives elected to the Senate.
182 posted on 11/18/2003 6:21:47 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Theo
You have a point there. Last time I heard, it's wrong to cause a woman to die in an automobile accident through gross neglect and then lie about it.
183 posted on 11/18/2003 6:23:49 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Wolfstar
Joe Leiberman applauded this ruling?
184 posted on 11/18/2003 6:24:27 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Verginius Rufus
I meant to include a reference for the quotation from Plato's Laws. It's from Book VIII, 841c-e (page 1502 in the 1997 Hackett edition of Plato, Complete Works).
185 posted on 11/18/2003 6:24:57 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunStar
Marriages in one state MUST be recognized by other states

It's that old Full Faith And Credit Clause, again! Pretty simple, eh?

But if this is so unassailable, how come my licence to carry a pistol in NC doesn't mean squat in NY or Massachusetts? In fact, I can get thrown in jail there for a felony by doing just that!

186 posted on 11/18/2003 6:25:09 PM PST by Gritty
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To: spodefly
She had a will, and I am sure her estate was pretty carefully crafted to minimize any grabs by the state. But, because the laws are designed to handle transfers from married couples and not non-married persons, there is a huge hit (so far as I understand it.)

I'm not persuaded. Your aunt either should have gotten a better lawyer or, more likely, should have started years earlier than she did, as effective estate planning (e.g. lowest possible tax hit) usually requires taking appropriate steps years in advance. And it is very possible to have a small tax hit even when one's heir is not part of the family.

187 posted on 11/18/2003 6:26:05 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
Marriage is dying in this country. At the very least, it doesn't mean what it used to mean (an understatement).

So you want to put the last nail in the coffin by redefining it out of existence?

188 posted on 11/18/2003 6:29:51 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Clintonfatigued
In some states, judges are elected directly by the people.
189 posted on 11/18/2003 6:38:14 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: COURAGE
Think what you like -- you're wrong however.

My point is that there are MANY things that the sanctity of marriage needs protecting against, and I consider ADULTERY (on God's Top Ten list) to be a greater problem than homosexuality.
190 posted on 11/18/2003 6:40:40 PM PST by armadale
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
LOL ! I hadn't thought about it, but that wouldn't be surprising. ha! ha!

Maybe the State will make a pre-emptive move ... put up their own signs ...

Welcome to Fagachussetts ! < /bad humor > ...

quickly exits thread ...


191 posted on 11/18/2003 6:47:31 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (I won! I won! http://rmeek141.home.comcast.net/LotteryTicketRutRoh.JPG)
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To: onyx
Texas is Republican --- Fagachusettes is run by democrat, proving that you
get what you elect --- IOW --- the voters are reaping what they have sown.

Amen !!


192 posted on 11/18/2003 6:51:33 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (I won! I won! http://rmeek141.home.comcast.net/LotteryTicketRutRoh.JPG)
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To: armadale
My point is that there are MANY things that the sanctity of marriage needs protecting against, and I consider ADULTERY (on God's Top Ten list) to be a greater problem than homosexuality

The historical Christian interpretation is that all sexual sins are prohibited by the commandment against adultery.

In that context, heterosexual unfaithfulness is the natural predecessor to homosexual unfaithfulness. So our country needs to repent of the former while not ignoring the additonal threat posed by the latter.

193 posted on 11/18/2003 6:51:40 PM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: Kuksool
Good point. If U.S. Supreme Court judges were elected, we might not have had some of the bad rulings they're known for.
194 posted on 11/18/2003 6:56:33 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: PhiKapMom
Watch what they Do,Not what they said
195 posted on 11/18/2003 7:04:59 PM PST by freetradenotfree
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To: PhiKapMom
I will work with congressional leaders and others to do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.

It is necessary to impeach and remove judges to defend the sanctity of marriage. They will never stop unless they are stopped.

196 posted on 11/18/2003 7:06:16 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: All
From an email that I sent today...

Question:

Shouldn't something like this be decided by the voters and their elected representatives-- and not some unaccountable black-robed elite?

Lay aside my own personal religious feelings-- and the inexplicable knot in my stomach. Lay aside my objections to the hubris of moderns rejecting what millennia of human evolution and relationships have taught us.

Let's talk about the civics of this case... We have a bunch of unaccountable elites in this nation ramming through legislation from the bench--- and whatever the overwhelming majority of the voters want be dammed. How is it that our jurists waited over two centuries before "discovering" that gay marriage is a constitutional right?

Why can't I marry my brother? Shoot-- if you buy the arguments that people are making-- what difference does it make if we won't be producing children? We love each other and have a lifelong commitment to each other. And who are YOU to tell us that it is wrong by imposing your morality on us? Why does the institution of marriage really exist?

Ladies and Gentleman, this is just one more stop down the slippery slope. If you refrain from making moral judgements, then anything can and will go. Why not legalize bestiality? Why not legalize consensual incest? Please give me a compelling argument against these measures shorn of moral judgements.

Frankly, the Massachusetts legislature should imeach the whole bally lot of these high handed usurpers. However, since the People's Republic of Massachusetts is under the iron hand of the Perjury Party--which dares not offend its core special interest groups-- forget it.

End of rant.

--Lysandru

197 posted on 11/18/2003 7:15:29 PM PST by Lysandru
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To: Semper911
This alone could get you four more years.

I appreciate your sentiments but I'm old enough to realize though that ones actions do usually speak louder than your words alone. I'll be awaiting to see if Bush does more than just offer right sounding words. His actions will tell me more about how concerned and committed he really is.

199 posted on 11/18/2003 7:37:45 PM PST by Ron H. (I'm a RLCTX.net Conservative)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Wish I could have heard that exchange. Your following comment was well stated and IMHO it says it all:

"Further, I said that President Bush will support this amendment, and all the Democrat candidates will be forced to oppose it, with the result of putting the Democrat nominee -- whoever it is -- further behind the political eight-ball."
200 posted on 11/18/2003 7:40:19 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
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