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Muslims Ask Dr. Laura to Apologize for 'Tirade'
US Newswire ^ | 11/19/03

Posted on 11/19/2003 2:52:20 PM PST by knak

WASHINGTON, Nov. 19 /U.S. Newswire/ -- A prominent national Islamic civil rights organization today called on nationally-syndicated radio talk show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger to apologize for what the group called an "anti-Muslim tirade" on her Nov. 17 program. ("Dr. Laura's" radio program is heard by 12 million listeners on some 270 stations nationwide.)

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said it received a number of complaints from Muslims who said Schlessinger's remarks crossed the line from legitimate commentary on terrorism to Islamophobic bigotry.

The offensive comments came in response to a mother who asked whether her 16-year-old daughter should take part in a Catholic High School class field trip to a local mosque. The purpose of the field trip was to have the students in a "moral themes" class learn how "Muslims are treated" in America.

Schlessinger said in her response: "This is a class on morals. What is the point of going to a mosque?...You're joking of course...How many Americans have tortured and murdered Muslims...I think you ought to stand up against this class and this teacher. This is despicable. You tell him you are willing to go to the mosque only if it is one that has done its best to route out terrorists in its midst...instead of complaining...I am horrified that you would let her go...I am so sick and tired of all the Arab-American groups whining and complaining about some kind of treatment...What culture and what religion were all the murderers of 9/11...they murdered us...That's the culture you want your daughter to learn about?"

(To listen to Schlessinger's response, go to: http://www.drlaura.com/listen/ Click on Nov. 17, and then on "Dr. Laura 9." There is a charge for access.)

"Dr. Laura's anti-Muslim tirade demonstrates a level of hostility toward Islam that should be of concern to her program's audience and sponsors," said CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper.

"It has been our experience that one-on-one interactions with ordinary American Muslims are the best way to dispel Islamophobic stereotypes and promote religious tolerance. It is a pity that Dr. Laura would interfere with that learning process by dissuading a student from visiting a mosque." Hooper noted that Schlessinger also confused Arab-Americans and Muslims in her comments. (Many Arab-Americans are Christian.)

In 2002, CAIR sent a letter to Schlessinger asking for a clarification of her on-air claim that there is a "Muslim plan" to take over the world. When Schlessinger's extremist views have been confronted in the past, she has often responded by attacking the source of the challenge, instead of dealing with the substance of the complaints.

CAIR, America's largest Islamic civil liberties group, is headquartered in Washington, D.C., and has 16 regional offices nationwide and in Canada.

NOTE: CAIR offers an e-mail list designed to be a journalist's window to the American Muslim community. Subscribers to the list, called ISLAM-INFONET, receive news releases and other materials dealing with American Muslim positions on issues of importance to our society.


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1 posted on 11/19/2003 2:52:25 PM PST by knak
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To: knak; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
What culture and what religion were all the murderers of 9/11...they murdered us...That's the culture you want your daughter to learn about?

BRAVO, Dr. Laura!!!

2 posted on 11/19/2003 2:57:03 PM PST by cgk (Kraut, 1989: We must brace ourselves for disquisitions on peer pressure, adolescent anomie & rage.)
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To: knak
...I am so sick and tired of all the Arab-American groups whining and complaining about some kind of treatment...What culture and what religion were all the murderers of 9/11...they murdered us...That's the culture you want your daughter to learn about?"

I still can't stand to listen to her show...mostly due to her idiot callers...but I gotta give it to her here. I agree with her entirely, except that she should perhaps limit her disdain for arab Americans to muslim Arab Americans.

3 posted on 11/19/2003 2:57:51 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: knak
Good for Dr. Laura.

I listened to her for a while when my commute coincided with her program. I didn't always agree with her, but I found the program always interesting, and usually right. If her words are quoted correctly here, and I assume that CAIR picked out the worst they could find, then I see nothing to disagree with. It's not the job of a Catholic school to introduce its students to Islam.

CAIR is, as has become increasingly clear, a terrorist front organization.
4 posted on 11/19/2003 2:58:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: knak
CAIR the Wahhabi front org for the Saudis puts the pressure on Dr Laura...
IMO the oil money greases our corrupt politicians as muslims seek to take over America
They are building Islamic Centers , Mosques and buying up tracts of rural America for
Islamic "summer camps"....
Conquering is what they are all about...they've found the key to our hearts...
Petro Dollars.......we will sell our heritage and souls for it....
Saudi Arabia our good friends with deep pockets...doesnt take too much to see their influence upon our so called leaders...
And the highly 'selective' war on terror...
5 posted on 11/19/2003 2:58:39 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: knak
In 2002, CAIR sent a letter to Schlessinger asking for a clarification of her on-air claim that there is a "Muslim plan" to take over the world.

I think it's called the Koran.

6 posted on 11/19/2003 2:59:12 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: knak
Dang, I'd listen more if she said stuff like that more often.
7 posted on 11/19/2003 2:59:46 PM PST by aynrandfreak
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To: knak
"Dr. Laura's anti-Muslim tirade demonstrates a level of hostility toward Islam that should be of concern to her program's audience and sponsors," said CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper.

"Muslim murderers killing multiple thousands of our ordinary American people peacably going about their daily affairs demonstrates a level of hostility toward Christianity and the West that should be of concern to CAIR and it's Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper," said Mr. Valentine.

8 posted on 11/19/2003 3:00:33 PM PST by John Valentine (In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
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To: knak
"It has been our experience that one-on-one interactions with ordinary American Muslims are the best way to dispel Islamophobic stereotypes and promote religious tolerance so they can try an convert you. Muslims are not supposed to have non-Muslim friends.
9 posted on 11/19/2003 3:01:42 PM PST by evolved_rage (Nov 17, pseudo-liberation day for Kalifornicatistan.)
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To: knak
Dear (not really, it's just a formality) Muslims,
Do we infidels offend you? Yes? THEN LEAVE, DAMMIT!

Most sincerely,
TexasRepublic

10 posted on 11/19/2003 3:07:21 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Liberal = Socialist = Communist)
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To: knak
Well--it's just my opinion --but I think Dr. Laura should
respond to the good people of CAIR.Right after they appologize for the Palstinians who teach children to be
suicide bombers-who teach children shahada is not suicide-
Muslims who teach that if they kill Jews or Christians like
they are told to do in the quran then they will be rewarded.
Foo boy IF the ragheads would only take care of their people in this world maybe they wouldn't believe the crap
being taught in Palastine.
11 posted on 11/19/2003 3:07:45 PM PST by StonyBurk
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To: knak
I listened to the show that day and the caller said her daughter was going to the mosque to hear about how muslums were MISTREATED in America. her only concern was that her daughter would have to wear a head covering. Dr. L. unloaded on her and rightfully so IMHO.
12 posted on 11/19/2003 3:10:49 PM PST by pdunkin
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To: Cicero
Well, there are some influential Catholics who would think this is a very appropriate Ramadan activity:

"The month of Ramadan is not only a time of fasting, but also a period of intense prayer. I wish to assure you, my Muslim friends, that we are united with you in prayer to the Almighty and Merciful God," Archbishop Fitzgerald wrote.

(...the president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Archbishop Michael Fitzgerald,...)

See earlier post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1025050/posts

13 posted on 11/19/2003 3:11:09 PM PST by yatros from flatwater
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To: knak
A prominent national Islamic civil rights organization today called on nationally-syndicated radio talk show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger to apologize for what the group called an "anti-Muslim tirade" on her Nov. 17 program.

First misrepresentation: It was a tirade against America-bashing types, the Muslims who perpetrated 9-11, and the dearth of Muslims who have stepped forward and condemned the terrorists.

The purpose of the field trip was to have the students in a "moral themes" class learn how "Muslims are treated" in America.

Misrepresentation number two: It was a social justice class, not a moral themes class.

Schlessinger said in her response: "This is a class on morals. What is the point of going to a mosque?...You're joking of course...

Misrepresentation number three: The way these quotes are excerpted it makes Dr. Laura appear to be implying that Muslims have no morals. I heard this show - this is NOT what she was saying or what she meant.

"Dr. Laura's anti-Muslim tirade demonstrates a level of hostility toward Islam that should be of concern to her program's audience and sponsors," said CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper.

Nice try, Ibrahim. If you listened the the ENTIRE conversation, you would have understood that her anger was directed at the blame-America crowd and the COMPLETE ABSENCE of Muslim groups, in particular the ones who enjoy the freedoms of America, who have stood up to condemn the 9-11 terrorists and the radical Muslims who supported them.

"It has been our experience that one-on-one interactions with ordinary American Muslims are the best way to dispel Islamophobic stereotypes and promote religious tolerance.

...and to pretend that killer radical Muslims somehow don't exist, and that the Koran is all about peace and love and NOT about killing infidels, gays, etc.

It is a pity that Dr. Laura would interfere with that learning process by dissuading a student from visiting a mosque."

Again, another misrepresentation: She was dissuading the student from visiting that mosque IN THE CONTEXT OF ANTI-AMERICANISM and in the ABSENCE of condemnation of Muslim terrorists by the Muslim mosque itself. Are you so stupid you don't see the difference?

In 2002, CAIR sent a letter to Schlessinger asking for a clarification of her on-air claim that there is a "Muslim plan" to take over the world.

Uh...isn't that written in the Koran in so many words, to kill the infidels and make the world Islamic? Like this is a secret?

When Schlessinger's extremist views have been confronted in the past, she has often responded by attacking the source of the challenge, instead of dealing with the substance of the complaints.

Oh, you mean like calling people 'extremists' instead of addressing the substance of her complaints, like why haven't any Muslim groups in America come forth and condemned the Muslim terrorists and Muslim fanatics who want to kill infidels? You mean stuff like that?

14 posted on 11/19/2003 3:13:11 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: knak
I guess this means that Muslims are listening to Dr. Laura -- and during Ramadan, yet!
15 posted on 11/19/2003 3:13:32 PM PST by Tallguy (I can't think of anything to say -- John Entwistle in "The Kids are Alright")
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To: knak
I wonder how many Islamic-American groups are arranging visits to local synagogues or cathedrals. WITHOUT bombs ...

Apparently the drive for understanding is a one-way street.

16 posted on 11/19/2003 3:14:20 PM PST by IronJack
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To: knak
Maybe the Islamists would like to stop running airplanes into our buildings.
17 posted on 11/19/2003 3:15:16 PM PST by The Other Harry
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To: knak
What happened to "freedom of speech?"
18 posted on 11/19/2003 3:15:54 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: swarthyguy
fling
19 posted on 11/19/2003 3:18:17 PM PST by txhurl
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To: knak
I'm more interested in why a Catholic high school would be conducting a field trip to an Islamic mosque than in Dr. Laura's comments.
20 posted on 11/19/2003 3:18:47 PM PST by templar
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To: knak
"A prominent national Islamic civil rights organization"

Thsi sonds like a contradiction in terms...

Since when do Muslims have civil rights? Where, when?
21 posted on 11/19/2003 3:19:38 PM PST by observer5
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To: pgkdan
"I still can't stand to listen to her show...mostly due to her idiot callers...but I gotta give it to her here. I agree with her entirely, except that she should perhaps limit her disdain for arab Americans to muslim Arab Americans."

My thoughts exactly


22 posted on 11/19/2003 3:21:04 PM PST by republicofdavis
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To: LiteKeeper
No Kidding. Where's Barbra when you need her?
23 posted on 11/19/2003 3:21:24 PM PST by PrincessB
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To: cgk
YOU GO, GIRL!!!
24 posted on 11/19/2003 3:21:28 PM PST by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: StonyBurk
Right after they appologize for the Palstinians who teach children to be suicide bombers-who.......

How intolerant of you! Dr. laura should have to apologize to the Palestinians too! And she should do so in their own language!

Oh, the "Palestinians" don't have their own language? Or literature? Or really any history? They have been made up from the whole cloth of various tribes in the area then funded by the rich Arabs that can't stand them? They are led by an Egyptian called Yassar that has stolen billions of dollars?

Nevermind......

25 posted on 11/19/2003 3:23:04 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: knak
Ibrahim, GO RIDE YOUR CAMEL to Mecca and CRY OUT to the sand dunes! For Goodness sakes, YOU are in America, and Doctor Laura is exercising her guaranteed right given to her by the constitution of a democratically elected body.
26 posted on 11/19/2003 3:25:02 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: knak
I cannot stomach Ibrahim Cooper. If this is true that he has received numerous complaints about Dr. Laura from Muslims, than it would seem that Muslims are capable of having their opinions heard.

Now, where are the same Muslim voices when it comes to condemning terrorism, anti-American, anti-Jewish and anti-Christian acts and statements from other Muslims?
27 posted on 11/19/2003 3:25:06 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. -R.R.)
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To: knak
I can't find an e-mail, but here is her Fax
FAX THEM TO: 818-461-5140.

Dr. Laura needs a thanks Freep.
28 posted on 11/19/2003 3:26:21 PM PST by netmilsmom (Proudly, A painful wart on the big toe of progress--No gay marriage!)
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To: LiteKeeper
that only applies to liberals, minorites, etc...
30 posted on 11/19/2003 3:27:37 PM PST by knak (wasknaknowknid)
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To: knak; yonif; SJackson; Salem; MeeknMing
Islam's 20 Year Plan For America Ping! (Right On Schedule)

"The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said it received a number of complaints from Muslims who said Schlessinger's remarks crossed the line from legitimate commentary on terrorism to Islamophobic bigotry."

This fits right in with Islam's 20-Year Plan for America - fits in very, very well.

Plan is right on schedule:

WND Exclusive


FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Radical Islam's 'plan'
to take over America

Arab-American author outlines secret
20-year strategy to undermine country


Posted: August 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin is an online, subscription intelligence news service from the creator of WorldNetDaily.com – a journalist who has been developing sources around the world for the last 25 years.


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam's 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 – a plan revealed in the latest issue of Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Anis Shorrosh, author of ''Islam Revealed'' and ''The True Furqan,'' is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.

''The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,'' Shorrosh says. ''Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?''

1. Terminate America's freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.

2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ''Abed.''

3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.

4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.

5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corporations or a controlling stock.

6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America – black gold. America’s economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.

7. Yell ''foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran'' anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.

8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims as medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical companies. (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.

9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:

10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabia’s Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America's high schools – free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.

11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ''Centers for Islamic studies'' with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.

12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.

13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.

14. Nullify America's sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.

15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America's justice system.

16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.

17. Raise interest in Islam on America's campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.

18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.

19. Send intimidating messages and messengers to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.

20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.

Shorrosh is a member of the Oxford Society of Scholars, has traveled in 76 countries, and is a lecturer and producer of TV documentaries. ''Islam Revealed'' is a bestseller now in its eighth printing. His forthcoming 10th book, from which the 20-point plan is abridged, is titled ''Islam: A Threat or a Challenge.''

''The True Furqan'' is also available for viewing on Islam-Exposed.org. Shorrosh's new website is Focusing-on-Islam.com. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ truth about islam

The Truth About Islam

Observations by Dr. David R. Reagan

 

Ever since the Attack on America on September 11, 2001, we have heard a never-ending chorus of voices from government, academia, and the media assuring us that the Islamic terrorists who attacked the Trade Towers and the Pentagon are not repre­sentative of “true Islam.” We have been likewise assured by spiritual leaders — even some Christian spokesmen — that Islam is a religion of peace, and that Muslims worship the same God as Christians and Jews.

“Our war is not against Islam,” we have been told repeatedly. “Our war is against terrorism.”

Central Questions

Well, what about it?

The Intolerant and Militant Nature of Islam

One of the most controversial issues regarding Islam concerns whether or not it is a militant religion. Muslims in the West argue it is peace-loving. Westerners who have experienced it in the Muslim world argue it is inherently in­tolerant and militant.

The Koran itself preaches intolerance toward other religions. Sura 5 contains the following command: “Take not Jews and Christians for friends . . . He among you who takes them for friends is one of them . . . Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you [Jews and Christians] . .  But keep your duty to Allah” (verses 51, 55, 57). Extreme intolerance is commanded in Sura 5:33 — “[For those who do not submit to Allah] their punishment is . . . execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet, from the opposite sides, or exile from the land.”

The Koran also expresses an intolerant attitude toward any person who decides to reject the Islamic faith or convert to another religion. Such persons are to be executed (Sura 9:12). In the Hadith (the oral tradition of Muhammad’s sayings) it says “Whoever changes his religion, kill him” (Hadith 9:57). These commands are practiced in all Islamic Fundamentalist countries today.

With regard to militancy, the Koran not only condones it, it commands it:

Fighting is prescribed for you, and [some of] you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not (Sura 2:16).

Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war (Sura 9:5).

Fight in the way of Allah . . . and slay them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them and drive them out . . . and fight them until . . . religion is for Allah (Sura 2:190-193).

Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “The sword is the key of heaven and hell. A drop of blood in the cause of Allah — a night spent in arms [war] — is of more avail than two months of fasting and prayer. Whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven, and at the day of judgment, his limbs shall be supplied by the wings of angels and cherubim.”12

The Imperialistic Nature of Islam

From its inception, Islam has been committed to what it calls jihad — a word mean­ing holy war. The duty of Muslims is to subjugate or destroy “infidels” — the term the Koran uses for all non-believers.

In the Muslim viewpoint, the world is divided into two regions — those areas controlled by Islam, called Dar al-Islam (meaning the House of Islam) and those called Dar al-Harb (the House of War). The Koran commands Mus­lims to fight non-Muslims until they exterminate all other religions, leaving Islam as the one and only religion in the world (Suras 2:193 and 8:39). Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith as saying, “I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say, none has the right to be worshiped but Allah” (Hadith 4:196).

Regarding terror, Allah orders Muslims to terrorize non-Muslims on his behalf: “Strike terror (into the hearts of ) the enemies of Allah and your enemies” (Sura 8:60). Allah then assures his followers that he will assist them: “I will instill terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not you who slay them, it is Allah” (Sura 8:12, 17).

Concerning jihad,14 the Koran guarantees Paradise to those who fight for Allah (Sura 4:74). It promises instant Paradise for those who die in battle (Suras 9:111 and 47:5-6). Dying for Allah is presented as better than living: “And if you are killed or die in the Way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all that others may amass [of worldly wealth]” (Sura 3:157).

Martyrs are promised a sensual and luxurious life in Paradise (Sura 52:17-22). According to Al-Ghazzali, one of Islam’s greatest teachers, when a martyr reaches Paradise, he “will marry 500 companions, 4,000 virgins, and 8,000 divorced women.”15 Commenting on this statement, Randall Price, biblical teacher and Middle East expert, observed that the Islamic Paradise is “just the kind of place that adolescent, unmarried men, isolated through their lives from the opposite sex by rigid cultural standards, would die for.”16

Fundamentalist Goals

The Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran was the modern day Islamic spokesman who revived Muhammad’s vision of world con­quest. He taught that the re-establishment of Israel was a Satanic miracle allowed by Allah because of the lukewarmness of the Muslim masses. He called for a renewal of true Islam to accomplish three purposes:19

  1. To overthrow the “secular” rulers of Islamic countries (like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and Egypt), just as he had done in Iran.

  2. To take back the land of Palestine for Allah, exterminating Israel in the process.

  3. To conquer the rest of the world for Allah.

Notice the first priority was the transformation of secular Islamic countries into religious states ruled by the Koran. Then would come Israel and the world.

In a proclamation made by Osama bin Laden in 1998, he listed the same goals and prioritized them in the same order.20 He then identified the United States as the prime obstacle to the achievement of these goals. Accordingly, he called on Muslims everywhere “to comply with Allah’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.”

It is important to note that the eradication of Israel is not the top priority. Nor is Israel viewed as the major obstacle to world conquest. I emphasize this because many Americans are saying that the key to winning the war against terrorism is to dump Israel. More and more, on radio talk shows, I hear people saying, “Let’s cut Israel loose. Let the Arabs have it. Then they will leave us alone.”

That is utter nonsense. Israel is not the cause of Islamic terrorism toward the West. If Israel were to disappear tomorrow, Fundamentalist Islam would still be determined to destroy America as part of its plan to take the world for Allah. And if we were to abandon Israel, the Muslim world would interpret it as an act of cowardice, proving our word is meaningless and that we truly are, as they say, “a depraved society devoid of values.” Our abandonment of Israel would only whet their appetite. Islamic Fundamentalism cannot be appeased. It must be de­feated.


31 posted on 11/19/2003 3:27:53 PM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: templar
I'm more interested in why a Catholic high school would be conducting a field trip to an Islamic mosque than in Dr. Laura's comments.

Perhaps to learn about what people who are committed to their faith are like. I know that's an exagerration, but since I became Catholic, I am surprised at how few modern Catholics really care very much about what their faith teaches and requires.

32 posted on 11/19/2003 3:29:46 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: LiteKeeper
What happened to "freedom of speech?"

Are you some king of Neanderthal that you can't understand that 'free speach' is reserved for people in the 'mainstream' and anyone with a conservative point of view is far outside the mainstream and the vast majority of Americans feel they should have their tounghs cut out.
I am deeply saddened that you have failed so miserably in understading this.

33 posted on 11/19/2003 3:29:51 PM PST by LittleRedRooster
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To: Lizavetta
I am sorry but the posters on this thread are totally wrong. Dr. Laura SHOULD apologize for her statements.

Dr. Laura should give her apology speech in a Christian Church in Saudi Arabia.

34 posted on 11/19/2003 3:32:12 PM PST by friendly (Man is so made that whenever anything fires his soul, impossibilities vanish.)
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The offensive comments came in response to a mother who asked whether her 16-year-old daughter should take part in a Catholic High School class field trip to a local mosque.

FWIW, the Catholic Church, the largest branch of Christianity, teaches that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. This trip might have been educational for this girl, in order for her to compare her faith and the Muslim faith, and find out why the CCC discusses Islam in the following terms:

Catholic Church Catechism

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
What I don't get is the "moral" angle of the field trip.
35 posted on 11/19/2003 3:33:57 PM PST by george wythe
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To: knak
a Catholic High School class field trip to a local mosque.

I thought Moose Limbs don't allow infidels to trample upon the "sacred" floors of a mosque. Isn't that the ostensible reason they embarked on a 3-year rampage of Jew-killing, because the Great Satan kuffar Ariel Sharon dared to defile the "holy" Al-Aqsa with the bottoms of his Jew-devil feet?

Therefore, the only way they can be allowed to enter a mosque, is if they first convert to Islam. Assuming the Catholic school doesn't endorse this, are they even aware that these students may probably be requested to recite the "shihadah" which is the Muslim declaration of faith, before entering the mosque, (being told it is a "token of respect") but which will make them, according to Sha'ariah, fresh little Islamoconverts.

36 posted on 11/19/2003 3:36:44 PM PST by Alouette (My son, the Learned Elder of Zion)
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To: friendly
Dr. Laura should give her apology speech in a Christian Church in Saudi Arabia.

And then she should be ordered to give money to one of those Muslim charities that feed and clothe Christian and Jewish children around the world.....

37 posted on 11/19/2003 3:36:48 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. -R.R.)
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To: knak
Interesting! So, now, "telling it like it is" has somehow become "a tirade"??

I'm sick and tired of whiners who complain when the truth is told about them - liberal socialist pondscum (LSP) dummycraps come to mind as another group offender in this regard.

Terrorists are to be eradicated like the disease they are, and if the terrorists are muslim, then who's fault is THAT? This is ANOTHER thing, as a white American male, for which I am NOT going to be blamed (along with slavery, destruction of the environment, and all the other evils of the world)!!

BTW, if you're a muslim and you haven't come out against terrorism, then you're part of the problem; if you're not actively against terrorism, you're FOR it. If you're for terrorism, then you're a terrorist. No slack!

38 posted on 11/19/2003 3:37:03 PM PST by mil-vet
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To: knak
Interesting! So, now, "telling it like it is" has somehow become "a tirade"??

I'm sick and tired of whiners who complain when the truth is told about them - liberal socialist pondscum (LSP) dummycraps come to mind as another group offender in this regard.

Terrorists are to be eradicated like the disease they are, and if the terrorists are muslim, then who's fault is THAT? This is ANOTHER thing, as a white American male, for which I am NOT going to be blamed, along with slavery, the supposed destruction of the environment (NOT), and all the other evils of the world)!!

BTW, if you're a muslim and you haven't come out against terrorism, then you're part of the problem; if you're not actively against terrorism, you're FOR it. If you're for terrorism, then you're a terrorist. No slack!

39 posted on 11/19/2003 3:37:54 PM PST by mil-vet
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To: joesnuffy
buying up tracts of rural America for Islamic "summer camps"....

One of the "camps" is being built not 10 miles from where I live in rural Iowa. There were citizen groups who tried to stop it, but to no avail. Every protest was met with complaints of discrimination and racism. Even more concerning was that a local, well-known and respected, American-born Arab-Muslim businessman and his family fully supported the project and joined in the "racism" hoopla. It is a mess.

However, I didn't realize this was a "trend." Scary . . .

40 posted on 11/19/2003 3:38:47 PM PST by PLK
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To: mil-vet
Should I go for three? Darned PC - it's still smarter than I am - LOL!
41 posted on 11/19/2003 3:39:04 PM PST by mil-vet
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To: knak
CAIR: "We come in peace!"

42 posted on 11/19/2003 3:40:05 PM PST by Sender
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To: observer5
Since when do Muslims have civil rights? Where, when?

No kidding, they have their undies in a bunch about Dr. Laura, hmph. I'd say they have some other serious civil rights to be worried about, and not in the US.

43 posted on 11/19/2003 3:43:48 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong. -R.R.)
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To: netmilsmom; All; Howlin
Dr. Laura needs a thanks Freep.

You're right, she does. Somebody get us started.

44 posted on 11/19/2003 3:44:04 PM PST by txhurl
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Yes, Dr. Laura, there is a cultural to be learned and it's not about Santa Claus.


45 posted on 11/19/2003 3:45:01 PM PST by SJackson
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To: knak
Hooper noted that Schlessinger also confused Arab-Americans and Muslims in her comments. (Many Arab-Americans are Christian.)

How so ?

Since when do Arabic speaking Christians go to a mosque ?

It is deceptive on his part to even make this claim with the success rate Islam has had of swallowing up the few Arab Christians who remain. They are certainly a much smaller minority among the Arabs than ever and only trotted out by the Moslems for deceptive propaganda while they continue to intimidate, persecute and assimilate them.

46 posted on 11/19/2003 3:46:36 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: knak
It has been our experience that one-on-one interactions with ordinary American Muslims are the best way to dispel Islamophobic stereotypes and promote religious tolerance.

As opposed to one-on-one interactions with Muslims from other countries. lol

47 posted on 11/19/2003 3:51:17 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: knak
Five bucks says that the very same DUnderheads who whinnied and wailed over how the Ditzy Chicks, Al Cranken and the rest of that sorry lot were (somehow) "being denied their rights to free speech" when we protested their poisonous comments are -- even as we speak -- yowling like so many scalded cats, demanding that "something be done about that witch, Dr. Laura -- NOW!"

Ten bucks says they don't/can't see the incredible hypocrisy inherent in any of that, either. :)

49 posted on 11/19/2003 3:55:54 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("The Clintons have damaged our country. They have done it together, in unison." -- Peggy Noonan)
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I heard it. She rocked, and was totally off the cuff and on the mark.
50 posted on 11/19/2003 4:00:37 PM PST by T Minus Four
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