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Police, Trade Protesters Clash in Miami (Typical Punks getting 'proper' Police treatment)
Yahoo ^ | 11/20/03 | MIKE SCHNEIDER

Posted on 11/20/2003 10:10:58 AM PST by finnman69

By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer

MIAMI - Officers and hundreds of demonstrators clashed Thursday near the site of talks to create a free trade zone for North and South America. Police blanketed downtown, remembering trade-related riots in other cities.

Officers clad in riot gear used long batons to restrain protesters, some of whom wore surgical masks or bandannas across their mouths. Other demonstrators carried gas masks. Some tried to pull down restraining fences with large hooks.

Meanwhile, AFL-CIO organizers planned a noontime rally that they said should include more than 10,000 protesters against the proposed 34-nation Free Trade Area of the Americas. They pledged that it would be peaceful.

Officers were using their batons mostly to push back the roughly 1,000 militant protesters, but occasionally used them to strike demonstrators. The confrontation, which continued throughout the morning, was a few blocks from the hotel where the trade meetings were being held. An unknown number of demonstrators were arrested.

In a brief flareup, gas that smelled like rotten eggs was fired by police. A protester scrambled forward and tossed back a canister.

Still, many other protesters kept the peace, carrying puppets, holding signs and chanting, "This is what a police state looks like." One stood in front of the officers waving an American flag.

"At this point, we are holding strong," police spokesman Jorge Pino said at late morning. "We're basically trying maintain the peace downtown, but there are some individuals that are unfortunately trying to disrupt our efforts."

Protester Joshua Xander, 21, of Cincinnati, said the police are "totally doing what they feel necessary. We are doing what we think is necessary — conflict of interests." He was tapping on an African drum.

On Wednesday, negotiators approved a draft text of a free trade pact, choosing a version that allows countries to opt out of more controversial clauses of the agreement. Trade ministers were to spend two days working to finish the text, which so far speaks in generalities.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick denied that the United States was backing away from creating an agreement that would tear down all trade barriers from Alaska to Argentina, which was how the FTAA was originally conceived. He called the buffet comparison inaccurate.

"I look at it as a full-course dinner, but each country has to decide how much to eat with each course," he told business leaders.

Critics of free trade agreements say they take jobs from American workers, exploit workers elsewhere and lack safeguards such as environmental standards.

Near the hotel where the trade ministers were meeting Thursday, several hundred protesters gathered at the fence that blocked them from getting closer. They held colorful signs with slogans such as "Corporate Greed" and "FTAA Contaminates Fish."

Police had escalated their street presence because of violent demonstrations and vandalism at similar free trade meetings, including five days of riots during a 1999 World Trade Organization (news - web sites) meeting in Seattle.

Parts of downtown Miami resembled a police state. Checkpoints with armed officers blocked pedestrians without proper credentials on several streets. Squad cars were on almost every block. Troopers searched vehicles before they could move on.

Business owners shuttered their facades.

"Everybody is scaring us. They say there's going to be trouble," said Sami Virani, who was placing plywood in the window of his shop Watch Time. "It's worse than a hurricane."

On Wednesday, police arrested seven people in a vacant Miami mansion who were allegedly had crowbars, metal chains with locks on them, flammable materials, gas masks and leaflets protesting the trade talks. They were charged with burglary.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: freetrade; ftaa; ftaamiami; miami; protesters
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To: freeeee
You are spot on in your posts freeeee!

61 posted on 11/20/2003 1:40:12 PM PST by PresbyRev
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Cops keep moving toward the punks to get them out of the area of trouble.

Reporter quotes cops as saying that after the trouble-makers are pushed out, the peaceful demonstrators will be allowed back in the area of trouble.

As I wrote in the first sentence on this thread, most protestors have been peaceful.

The troublemakers tend to be the 'anarchist' punks.

62 posted on 11/20/2003 1:44:25 PM PST by george wythe
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To: freeeee
Boston was another city that saw 'riots' that were put down by violence as well as the destruction of private property that was condemned by the ruling class (the Boston Tea Party). I suppose it's a matter of perspective.
63 posted on 11/20/2003 1:44:38 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: PresbyRev
Thanks, Reverend.
64 posted on 11/20/2003 1:46:27 PM PST by freeeee (I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it)
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To: All
FOX's Orlando Salinas says the protestors like to use ball bearings against mounted policemen, because the balls get caught in the hooves, causing the horse lifetime disability or occasionally requiring that the horse be put down.
65 posted on 11/20/2003 1:50:43 PM PST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*)
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To: freeeee
Free speech in a public venue, such as the streets is constitutionally protected.

Within limits for public safety.

66 posted on 11/20/2003 1:53:00 PM PST by Petronski (I'm *NOT* always *CRANKY.*)
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To: freeeee
"garden variety criminals" not buying it. they are funded and trained by countries and organizations that want to create chaos and disrupt order in my country.

while i don't agree with the free trade movement, i also don't agree with the terrorist type tactics that the disruptors are using.
67 posted on 11/20/2003 2:10:08 PM PST by debg
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To: finnman69















68 posted on 11/20/2003 3:07:44 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
Still, many other protesters kept the peace, carrying puppets, holding signs and chanting, "This is what a police state looks like."

You want to really know what a police state looks like, you punks? Hop on an inner tube, and let yourself drift away to Cuba-which, not by coincidence, is the one country you want us to trade with.

69 posted on 11/20/2003 3:08:07 PM PST by RightWingAtheist
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To: RightWingAtheist
There would be no need for riot police if these little assh*les obeyed the law.
70 posted on 11/20/2003 3:11:58 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Jonathon Spectre

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever"

71 posted on 11/20/2003 3:34:59 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: freeeee
Free speech in a public venue, such as the streets is constitutionally protected.

Free speech in a public venue to redress grievances with the government is, so long as it doesn't obstruct the free movement of others, nor interfere with the free association of others, nor tresspass on other people's property, nor damage the property of others, nor injure others, nor disturb the peace of others. I think we learned in Seattle that these demonstrations go way beyond speech.

72 posted on 11/20/2003 3:56:12 PM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
I think we learned in Seattle that these demonstrations go way beyond speech.

Free speech is not a collective right. If people who look like you and agree with you break the law, that guilt does not extend to you.

73 posted on 11/20/2003 3:58:42 PM PST by freeeee (I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it)
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To: Gunslingr3
You are jealous because his toy is bigger than yours.
74 posted on 11/20/2003 4:01:26 PM PST by verity
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To: finnman69; george wythe; Little Ray; RightWingAtheist; meyer
The typical Miami macho cops have shown incredible restraint and professionalism.

Police tazer non-violent protesters (quicktime video 1.2MB)

You were saying?

75 posted on 11/20/2003 4:10:34 PM PST by freeeee (I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it)
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To: freeeee
Free speech is not a collective right.

I don't recall claiming that it was, though people can speak individually or as a group.

If people who look like you and agree with you break the law, that guilt does not extend to you.

Of course not. But if you choose to band together with them, you are an accomplice to their deeds.

I realize that there were a few protestors in Seattle that tried, rather unsuccessfully, to contain the trouble-makers. But given their lack of success, they ought to have had the sense to stay away from the trouble.

76 posted on 11/20/2003 4:15:51 PM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
Yep. Miami sure isn't Seattle...thankfully.
77 posted on 11/20/2003 4:17:30 PM PST by CWOJackson (This will be the President's undoing...)
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To: verity
You are jealous because his toy is bigger than yours.

That doesn't make me jealous, but the fact I had to pay for his toy makes me bitter. ;)

78 posted on 11/20/2003 4:19:56 PM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: freeeee
Now There's an unbiased web site. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the video. I suspect that their server is overloaded.
79 posted on 11/20/2003 4:23:27 PM PST by meyer
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To: meyer
Yes, the source and associated comments are more revealing then the "presumed" video.
80 posted on 11/20/2003 4:24:56 PM PST by CWOJackson (This will be the President's undoing...)
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