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To: Tailback; Ranger
These are the points I asked ranger to think about:

Why is M1114 production so slow?

Why has the gov't not bought up all the Hummer H1's and had them armored and sent the to Iraq? There is a war on. Requisition.

There are many companies that apply armor to vehicles. If O'Gara-Hess cannot meet the demand, why does the Army not contract with these other armoring companies?

Why has the Armored Security Vehicle made by Textron been terminated?

Textron also makes the Dingo Mine Resistant Vehicle. Why has the Army bought none?

The Swiss company MOWAG makes the Eagle armored HMMWV. Have we tried to buy from them? If not, why not?

The Turks make a HMMWV-based armored vehicle called the Cobra. Have we tried to get any?

The old Iraqi Army and Republican Guard had several thousand wheeled armored vehicles. Where are they now and what use is being made of them? The Army went into Iraq with tanks for its tankers and Bradleys for its mechanized infantrymen and M113's for its combat engineers and self propelled howitzers for its artillerymen, then when they tried to turn all these soldiers into Army of Occupation Constabulary troopers they discovered they needed a patrol vehicle. The M1114 was already in the inventory, so that is what was demanded. They did not anticipate the high demand, and they have not been flexible enough in procuring substitute patrol vehicles.

177 posted on 01/01/2004 11:10:52 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Good list, hopefully O'reilly can light a fire under the army's a**.
178 posted on 01/01/2004 11:18:39 AM PST by Tailback
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To: Ranger; Qatar-6; Tailback; archy; Proud Legions; centurion316; SLB; M1Tanker; mark502inf; ...
There are alternatives to the M1114.

Alvis Vickers Simba is a 4x4 wheeled Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) primarily used in internal security and counter insurgency roles. It can be fitted with 0.50" calibre machine gun or 25mm cannon, ideally suited for urban police duties, and can be fitted with a turreted riot gun and associated security equipment.

Alvis Vickers MLV

The armouring system uses an innovative solution of appliqué armour panels that are placed between the inner and outer skins of the vehicle. This allows MLV to easily upgrade its armour protection to meet the mission requirements, and enables through life technology insertion to take advantage of new armour materials, as they become available. Protection systems from STANAG level 1 to STANAG level 4 are available for MLV. In addition every vehicle includes full mine protection for the crew.

MLV is available with an overhead weapon station, with day and night vision, and a range of different weapons to take on diverse mission scenarios. MLV can be network enabled through secure digital radio systems.

The MLV vehicle is based on the Iveco LMV vehicle for which there is a requirement in Italy for 2500 vehicles. MLV provides protected mobility for up to 4 people in the UK configuration, although the Italian version provides accommodation for 5 people, with a longer wheel base version providing protection for 7. This longer wheelbase option allows the family to expand and meet new requirements in the UK and overseas.

The UK MoD has recently selected AVL to supply 486 Alvis Multipurpose Light Vehicles (MLV) for the Future Command and Liaison Vehicle programme (FCLV). In this role, MLV will be used for a wide range of battlefield missions, with variants for infantry, artillery, armour, engineer and signals users, and will replace the ageing vehicles that are currently used in these roles. These include the Alvis Saxon, the Alvis Spartan, the Alvis FV430 series and unarmoured Land Rovers.

Alvis Vickers RG-32M

Originally developed with a benign appearance for civilian armoured patrol use, it provides a viable alternative to up-armoured vehicles. Crew protection in the hull consists of an all-steel welded armoured monocoque capsule to which chassis sub-frames are bolted. The crew compartment is also fitted with a tropical roof and air-conditioning as an aid to crew comfort. Windows are made of ballistic laminated glass. The crew compartment is protected to a level of 5.56 x 45mm NATO ball ammunition and against a variety of grenades, firebombs and thrown missiles. Protection includes the firewall, roof and floor (unlike many up-armoured vehicles). RG-32M protects occupants against a single-tank mine (7kg of TNT) under any wheel.

Textron Cadillac-Gage Peacekeeper II armored vehicle employs the latest technology for missions such as law enforcement, riot control, counter-terrorism, SWAT operations, convoy protection or base security. With a top speed of 70 mph, PeaceKeeper II accommodates an eight-person team, while providing crew protection from 7.62mm AP. The compact profile is ideal for urban environments where excellent maneuverability is a necessity.

Australian Timoney/ADI, Ltd. Bushmaster

GDLS RG-31

GDLS RG-32 Mk II

GDLS RG-31

AV Technology Corporations, now part of General Dynamics Land Systems, developed the Dragoon family of 4 x 4 light armoured vehicles

Pandur. In production. In service with Austria (68), Belgium (54 built in Belgium), Kuwait (70 built in the USA), Slovenia (10 plus local production) and the USA (50 under production by AV Technology Corp of the USA). Where are these 50 Pandurs?

Technical Solutions Group, Inc. Rhino

TSG Buffalo

SAMIL MOTOR CORPORATION (PTY) LTD. Casspir and Mamba

South African Buffel

Rhodesian Cougar. Anniston Army Depot Forward at Camp Arifjan could be making these.

Rhodesian Kudu

Rhodesian Leopard

Rhodesian Rhino

183 posted on 01/01/2004 1:15:53 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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